In a recent interview with an Italian magazine, Pope Francis provided more comments on “Fiducia Supplicans,” highlighting the hypocrisy behind those shocked that a priest would bless a gay couple but have no problem with him blessing a crooked businessman.
VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- People who act shocked that a priest would bless a gay couple but have no problem with him blessing a crooked businessman are hypocrites, Pope Francis said.
“The most serious sins are those that are disguised with a more ‘angelic’ appearance. No one is scandalized if I give a blessing to an entrepreneur who perhaps exploits people, which is a very serious sin. Whereas they are scandalized if I give it to a homosexual -- this is hypocrisy,” he told the Italian magazine Credere.
The interview was scheduled for publication Feb. 8, but Vatican News reported on some of its content the day before when the magazine issued a press release about the interview.
They started the Church of England so that the king could get a divorce. Now they're probably gonna start the Church of New England to force their wives to stay with their toxic asses.
My family is super Catholic & conservative. They hate the Pope and it’s so weird - growing up in Catholic school, one good thing I’ll say is that we were educated in almost every aspect of that religion and its history.
So even though I can’t remember the last time I was in a church, I do remember shit like “the pope can talk to god”.
Now, of course it’s bullshit, but I have to assume that’s the premise we start from here. If so, shut the fuck up. He talks to god. End of story.
And somewhat related - they’re MAGA types. They like their dictators. Fuck off. This is what you get.
Yeah, before my grandma passed, she was a devout roman catholic, and even earned some award for her service to the church (she still volunteered in her mid 90s)
But, when the pope was criticizing Trumps border concentration camps, she said, "The pope needs to mind his own business." It's wild.
She wasn't a Maga type, but she was absolutely a bigot and not a nice person.
I think that many of these types see Trump as God himself (or Jesus maybe) so his views outrank the pope. That's how much of an unhinged cult MAGA has become.
The force that pulls a society over the edge into a realm where fascists can seize power is that comfortable feeling of deciding one person or ideology is right and then just turning off your brain, end of conversation. Exhaustion can recede into a comfortable finality.
It makes sense why someone would find that particular kind of hate blanket comfortable, but that doesn’t make it any less pathetic or disgusting.
I've seen footage of Republicans praying to a cardboard cutout of Dubya. This weird messiahization thing they've got going on is at least 16 years older than Trumpism.
I don't like that popes exist. I'm pretty sure if we took proper care of all people, religion would poof away in short order. That said, if popes have to exist this guy is a wonderful Pope. He's not dismantling the place from the inside or anything but he is pushing them to be decent people. He's pushing them to make more sympathetic decisions. We just look at this more shocking public statements and go well f*** yeah why doesn't everybody say this, but for him in the position where he is he doesn't have to and it's kind of a big deal that he does.
I always assumed the no BC was because the church wants more members to grow up and hopefully tithe more. Either way the results being what they are and the church not using their position to inform and care for their people is a valid complaint.
I'm not a religious person, but I think some views in this thread are coming off a bit narcissistic and ignorant. Religion has been a large part of humanity for literally forever, and people can't expect it to just go away completely. People turn to religion for comfort, often when they won't receive it in other ways. There will always be someone in the world who needs religion, and we all need to coexist. The important thing here is he is attempting to drive his members to be empathetic and improve moral compass. Just be grateful for that at least. People expect too much.
you never would have heard this come from the church, let alone the Pope 20 years ago. I don't know why people can't be happy that at least one religion is at least trying to be relevant and adapt to the times, and be more tolerant and inclusive. can't say the same about every religion unfortunatly
When God says something is incorrect, that doesn't change because people have become modern and adapt to the times. An act of abomination is still an abomination. How few stand on the side of God today!
and people can't expect it to just go away completely.
At least 79% went away. Only 1% of my country's population visited churches for christmas. For 20% of people who claim to belive in something other than sky fossil I have no data.
While I'm all for phasing out modern religions over time, currently they still hold giant influence on hearts and minds of people, and, like it or not, Pope is an influential person; moreover, he's essentially part of conservative camp, where we need change the most.
Also, let's finally separate pedophiles and child molesters, as it's both essential to understanding the dynamic that leads to this happening in churches (celibate warping people's minds and children being easiest to lean to non-consential sex more often than actual pedophilia), as well as to create two distinct and effective solutions at child protection.
Actual pedophiles often need to get therapy to avoid mental traps that lead them to accept offending behavior, and those with severe lust over everything (which constitute over half of all child molestation cases) need other kind of therapy to manage their desires in a healthy way.
In case of the church, it means dismantling institute of celibacy alone can have a strong positive effect on child safety, as there would be no barriers for those "underfucked" to maintain a sexual life that would keep their minds in order. Maybe there is a point in going for that first?
Ditto. Not a particularly a religious person (spiritualist more generally) and generally pretty critical of the Church but bloody tired of people who have been religion burned taking it out on others who are just clinging to comfort to get by in a hard world. Lemmy has a rather large Christian Atheist community. You know the sort, the "I don't believe in God but the God I very stridently don't believe in is the Christian God" type of person. It does come across as fairly insecure at times. I am reminded of the way I used to behave as an angry teen.
I think we are seeing a historic waning of faith and a reassessment of cultural values...but looking at the cycles of things that generally means there's a backlash which might be still building or we might be facing it right now. I think it's far better for those traumatized atheists to build solidarity with people inside the faiths who are pushing for and building the foundations for changes as "enemy of my enemy is my friend" alliances. Sadly a lot of them seem way too busy trying to attain personal catharsis by just scalding anyone who treats religion with respect.
Just keep pushing for a better society that doesn't need to lean on religion for comfort, and that dream may come true. But not forcing people to abandon things. That just makes resentment.
Well spirituality will never go away but we can still try to shape our society in such a way that keeps institutions like the church from gaining massive power.
Religion is a reflection of humanity. A lot of people are thinking that humanity is a reflection of religion.
This is a bizarre sort of logic. If humanity is a reflection of religion, then where does religion come from? Perhaps from an omnipotent force of some sort?
If you believe religion is a creation of humans, than any issue with religion is ultimately just an issue with humans. And yeah, people suck.
Methinks lot of weird anti-religious ideas come from people who once believed religion came from an omnipotent being, then were in some way negatively affected be religion and realized that even religious people suck sometimes too. But the disappointment from discovering religion isn't what they previously believed remains. The thought patterns about religion being a reflection of God and not being a reflection of humanity also remains. Even when someone no longer believes in God, the religious thought patterns remain.
As a baseline I'd expect the major religions to clean up their own shit, but it seems like they're never quite able to. I'd like my ancestor worhip to be a little less rapey and a little less reliant on an unknowable higher authority that mentally ill people think they can talk to.
Progress won't come from any Christianity (and likely almost any religion, but I don't know others well enough to comment). They will either need to denounce the book as being bullshit and decide to progress or they will continue to hold society behind.
Fucks sake im so tired of you jaded militant shitbirds. It is constantly 120% with you fucks. Its always "agree with my personal breakdown of reality and morality or you are all complete garbage" nonsense. Progress doesnt happen on your schedule you shithead.
Nuance and context motherfucker. Do you understand it?
Man, I thought I was on crazy pills with the lack of nuance here. Everything is black and white with no room for gray or context…
I’m digging the past few days. There have been a number of posts and comments calling it out. The fact that your comment has positive upvotes is a good sign and surprising.
He is the current leader of a 2000 year old pedophile ring (the largest to ever exist) that owns its own gold plated city/country.
Fuck off with this defense of traditional bullshit. Progress doesn't happen in tiny steps, it happens all at once with violence and bloodshed. Have you learned nothing from history?
There's no progressive religion (I am not including Buddhism). They all say that their religion promotes peace and tolerance but they still believe in what written in their sacred book and won't change a thing.
Faith is actually a mechanism to ensure change keeps happening. It suspends the “sealing off” of the mind that replaces sensory input with projected theory.
Buddhism uses presence for the same function abrahamic religions use faith. It’s a source of noise to keep the conceptual structure from gaslighting the adherent into being unable to see what’s in front of them.
People who act shocked that a priest would bless a gay couple but have no problem with him blessing a crooked businessman are hypocrites, Pope Francis said.
Did something come up about priests blessing crooked businessmen, or is he just speaking in general terms?
Well, in the Bible, I know there were at least a few stories where Jesus didn't take too kindly to what would be a modern day businessman.
The one where Jesus goes into a rage because a bunch of merchants set up shop in the courtyard(? Or maybe they took over the whole temple? Idk it's been awhile) of a temple comes to mind
Well, in the Bible, I know there were at least a few stories where Jesus didn’t take too kindly to what would be a modern day businessman.
What I meant was "Did he choose that example because of some current event?" I wasn't questioning whether members of the church should be upset about priests blessing crooks.
It could just be the nature of not necessarily being able to see one's business corruption nor there being a test for it. Yet a homosexual couple can't exactly hide that fact. Just my guess (I didn't read the article).
It's better for a good man to take up a morally bereft throne than for him to yield the position on principle to an equally morally bereft man.
Pope Francis may not be perfect, but the facts are that he's still making progress considered unheard of by Vatican standards and he still leads one of the world's biggest religious sects that very sorely needs the progress.
Oh, you sweet summer child. He's just making sure his religion still has followers in the coming generations in which homosexuality will be totally normalized. This is marketing, it's all planned. This is just the Vatican figuring out how to stay relevant and powerful for generations to come.
Isn't it curious how this religion keeps adapting to the moral views of the majority? They know the homophobic generations are about to die, this is calculated.
Do you think the pope is allowed to say whatever he wants?
Maybe I’m the one misreading? It seemed to me like he was saying being gay is still wrong, just not as wrong as being a crooked businessman because it involves love.
Old irrelevant fuck continues to try and rehabilitate a dying organization's image before the history books can slam shut on its chapter. Tear down the churches and build something useful instead, that's a lot of wasted space in cities across the world.
Many of them are beautiful and even if the morals of the Organisation(s) that built them are, to put it mildly, "outdated", it is still a huge part of our cultural history.
Use the spaces to open "sexual health centers" (like Planned Parenthood on steroids), libraries, and in like 1 or 2 per continent you could create memorial centers to keep alive the memories of the suffering created by organized, doctrinal religion.
Moving past a phase of our cultural development has to include remembering that phase. The church buildings turned to useful purpose will be powerful monuments.
Leave the hospitals up, just require that they be transferred to a legitimate healthcare organization which will offer medical care without the condition of "...if my god says it's okay" attached.
Is it that simple though? This guy’s running around interpreting the Bible for a huge swath of the world’s population. Maybe people should read it themselves instead of letting some dude pass judgment on people, and in turn giving permission to others to pass along that same judgment.
The only one who should be blessing or judging here is God.
And heterosexual marriage...... so isn't it just marriage? Shouldn't matter if it's hetero or homo, it's just marriage, it's just 2 people who love each other.