The mayor of Elyria has ordered a probe after the woman who lives at the home accused police of raiding the wrong house, an incident that she said left her baby with severe burns.
The mayor of Elyria has ordered a probe after the woman who lives at the home accused police of raiding the wrong house, an incident that she said left her baby with severe burns.
The mayor of Elyria, Ohio, has ordered an investigation after a woman alleged that police officers who raided her home had the wrong address and deployed flash-bang devices that sent her 1-year-old to the hospital with burns.
Police have offered a conflicting account of what happened Jan. 10, saying in a statement Friday that they had executed a search warrant at the correct address and the child did not "sustain any apparent, visible injuries."
Courtney Price says audio from her Ring camera proves them wrong. In a clip shared exclusively with NBC News on Tuesday, someone can be heard saying "it's the wrong house." It is not clear who made the remark because the camera fell to the ground and went dark after police deployed the flash-bang devices.
Police have offered a conflicting account of what happened Jan. 10, saying in a statement Friday that they had executed a search warrant at the correct address and the child did not "sustain any apparent, visible injuries."
Never ever, ever, believe a police statement of any kind. Police reps are gangsters and liars.
Honestly at this point I feel like if I was on a jury for some court case and some of the evidence was the testimony of a police officer, that'd probably make me less confident of whatever they had said than if they had said nothing at all. When a profession has every incentive to lie, little consequence to doing so, and in some cases consequences for revealing the lies of one's coworkers, there is precious little room for credibility.
Based on historic police statements, the fact it conflicts at all should let you know it's full of lies. Usually they get their story straight AND still lie, the fact that they can't even do that is damning imo.
I clicked the last story and it made truly me sick to my stomach. I had to skip through the details halfway. I'm angry and sad, and I am once again confirmed in my belief that I will never, ever want to live in the US. There are so many of these stories, and for so long now, and yet nothing has changed. The country is morally bankrupt.
The search warrant was for the Parmely Avenue residence, but it was issued for a person who hasn’t lived there in more than a year, Price said, sharing the search warrant left by police at the home.
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Price said she learned police had visited the home at least five times within the past year. "The landlord even told [police] she had new tenants," she said.
This is after the article mentions that they only waited six seconds between knocking on the door and busting in.
If your police department shows this degree of incompetence executing a raid, it should have all its toys taken away. No more flashbangs, no more SWAT gear, no fancy guns. You get the wrong address, you hurt an innocent person, you fail to identify yourselves, you lose privileges. Hell, I seriously question whether they need most of that shit in the first place.
I legitimately believe that a disturbingly high number of these raids that go wrong happen because the cops want to play with with their shiny new equipment.
Six seconds?! Holy fuck, it takes me about a minute and a half just to get the dogs corralled. Thank god I keep yelling, "just a minute!" Hopefully if this ever happens to me, the cops will hear me yelling.
They will ignore you and kick your door down if it's a raid, knock or otherwise. Excellent chance they shoot your dog too because apparently the cops just love murdering family pets.
From everything I've seen, they'll hear it, take it as an excuse to claim you weren't complying, bust down your door based on that and shoot your understandably agitated dogs.
cops are paid liars. they are legally allowed to, and encouraged to lie. they work closely with district attorneys, who would be the ones to prosecute them if they lie. that is why you can never trust a police officer.
A cop would pretty much never be prosecuted for lying, it's perfectly legal in the US for them to lie their asses off to witnesses and suspects alike. Part of the reason we have a such a problem with innocent people being imprisoned over false confessions.
Yeah, because nobody notable has realized American cops as organizations were founded to be slaver patrols and if you were white and tried to protect their targets they would KILL you. I'm not saying my own country is perfect, but when the corruption rate among American police is claimed to be 98% and the corruption rate of the RCMP (yes, the Mounties) is claimed to be 0.02%? I'm literally waiting to defend myself in court and I will at least say the cops involved were fair. You know who originally the RCMP was founded by? They're an offshoot of the UK's royal bodyguards, the beefeaters, and as silly as that might sound, somehow it works.
Canada has a relatively shitty mental health system but seriously, at least there's a way to sue, convict or discredit corrupt doctors. Cops can't be allowed to be corrupt, this is only going to be solvable if there's a unified and violent citizen's revolt. Go out there and pretend to be peaceful, then murder all the cops with extreme prejudice and without waiting for direct provocation when they show up and anyone who survives continues to kill police on sight until the fucking US Government gets it through their fucking heads that when the "police" are a criminal syndicate and former slaver you get fucking anarchy, a "system" of "government" that I am under no delusion is capable of producing anything of value. The government doesn't want anarchy? Stop fucking oppressing people and the people won't need to threaten you to get you to be a tolerable person. Being legal and rational means nothing if the system is rigged against justice.
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to try and get a judge to begin an investigation into an entire psychiatric ward as well as an unrelated ex-psychiatrist, because thanks to years of malpractice my life is irrecoverably ruined and I fucking hate everyone.
This isn't better but they actual did knock, but then waited less than ten seconds before they used the ram, so they busted the door down as the resident was approaching the door.
In fact I'd agrue it's worse because they turned a (presumably) knock warrant into a defacto no knock by refusing to wait for a response. These cops clearly wanted to play storm trooper.
Also I thought the SWAT stopped doing "breach and bang" systematically ? I guess their new doctrine isn't much better if they still end up throwing grenades at babies, in the wrong house nonetheless
To be fair, what they thought he stole was weapons, and this headline insinuates that they knew it was the wrong house beforehand, while that doesn't seem to be the case... Regardless, we shouldn't be doing SWAT type raids on secondhand info, and I personally don't think we should do them ever.
This is America. Someone having weapons isn't an emergency; it's just a typical day. Cops only treat it as an emergency when they want an excuse to cosplay as commandos.
IMO police rules of engagement should disallow use of any tactical equipment until they at least run into active opposition. There's an innocent until proven guilty assumption built into the legal system, the police should also have a passive until proven violent assumption.
The only reason a single mother and baby should ever be flash banged is if they are shooting at the police. With the technology today, they should be aware of who is going to be hit by a flash bang before it's even thrown.
The only reason a single mother and baby should ever be flash banged is if they are shooting at the police. With the technology today, they should be aware of who is going to be hit by a flash bang before it’s even thrown.
That, and there isn't ever really a need to do raids in the first place.
there isn't ever really a need to do raids in the first place
Exactly! There might be a reason to be ready for a raid, for example if there's a strong suspicion that someone's heavily armed and might attack. But you don't start acting offensively until you're 200% sure that someone poses an immediate and serious threat.
Eh...raids are necessary sometimes. Just...not 99% of the time these fucks do them and, in the end, they should be done by people who are....you know...educated and competent.
Raises new questions? No you dumb insincere assholes in the American media, we've been asking the same damn question and have had solid answers to why and how to fix this kind of bullshit for over a decade now.
oh and
Police have offered a conflicting account of what happened Jan. 10, saying in a statement Friday that they had executed a search warrant at the correct address and that the child did not "sustain any apparent, visible injuries."
Otherwise known as cops lied once again and they'll get a tax payer paid vacation while they investigate themselves and found they did nothing wrong.
Despite all the other problems (and believe me, I'm very, very strident in my criticisms of policing in the US), if it didn't always ALWAYS come down to this, I could possibly begin to understand the "well it's a really hard job we're doing our best" defense.
No, cops. You fuck up, and you lie about it. You got away with it for decades to centuries before there were cameras you couldn't control everywhere. Don't tell me about your integrity or about how I just don't understand the job. Talk to me about those things when lies aren't the go-to for police when shit hits the fan every. single. time.
As a combat veteran it boils my blood that cops here aren't held to ANY standard domestically while I've been in situations under fire where we had to wait for confirmation to fire back.
Call me a commie but I think domestic beat cops shouldn't be able to shoot at somebody easier than a soldier in a war zone can. 🤷
I figured out this game about 15 years ago when I read an article about a police car in NYC running over someone who had the walk sign in a crosswalk. Within an hour, there was a statement that the person was at fault because they did not exercise needed caution--this was well before any sort of investigation could occur. The police simply lie and the media reports it as stated.
So if it wasn't the police action that caused the burns, what did? It's an easy question to answer: it was the police action. The pre-existing conditions had nothing to do with them picking the wrong house and burning a kid.
"Raises new questions," no the fuck they did not. It raised the same question it raises every time; why are these clowns allowed to do this bullshit with 0 accountability?
Is this the same baby that got flash banged a few years ago and the family is still trying to get justice for what happened? Or is this another baby that got flash banged? Either way, it's fucking disgusting and outrageous!
"Price said she learned police had visited the home at least five times within the past year. "The landlord even told [police] she had new tenants," she said."
I want to see a new version of CSI in which they depict police doing shit like this that the unsuspecting public are dealing with and not the super heroes it tries to be written as.
It is a tremendous amount more difficult to make a police show without the cooperation of actual police. They only help if you portray them acceptably positive. Like B99 is about as critical as they can get I think.
"Yeah so this perp got away while we raised the wrong house and we just lost a multi-million dollar lawsuit for flash-banging the neighbours baby. Also another perp just walked because we failed to follow due-process and violated his rights"
The Hayes Code probably still blocks this, even if it's not enforced. Part of it was that producers of TV and movies could never portray the police in a negative light.
no new questions. all cops are bastards. surprised more people don’t understand. they need the cops to beat them bloody and senseless before they may consider not backing the blue.
I don’t support the police because I am morally opposed to domestic violence and pedophillia.
Worse: it turns out that the police don't actually solve crimes--the clearance rate drops year after year. Their only real function is to have someone sitting in a parked police car outside of some place while the officer plays on their cell phone all night. The only way the police solve crimes is by witnessing them, otherwise they can be used as an in-place deterrent. Outside of that, they have very little use.
That's because NIMBYs are people without any sort of compassion or empathy for other humans. They only want the scary people who want their stuff to stay away and don't care what the damage is in the process of that.
The book “Rise of the Warrior” cop cover this type of thing in great detail. The militarization of our police along with continued funding being tied directly to the antiquated War on Drugs leads to countless wrong address forced entries.
They set the flashbangs off outside the house, which shattered windows. Putting some security film on the 1st floor windows should do the trick. Generally a good idea anyway as it makes it difficult for a burgler to gain access by breaking a window.
Flashbangs aside, reinforcing and bracing the doors isnt a bad idea either -- metal plates around the lock on both the door and the jam, screws that dig into actual house structure, etc. You won't make it impenetrable but they won't be getting in 6 seconds after knocking on the door.
Fucking drench every one of those corrupt pigs who dare to call themselves police with oil and set them on fire. Maybe that will send a message to NOT. FUCK. WITH. KIDS. I am done negotiating, it's time I started fucking dealing punches to the corrupt bureaucracy. All of you start fucking demanding these asshole's heads, the heads of Trump and Putin and Xi Xinpeng and Trudeau and the government of Iran and both the Hamas and the Israeli government, or you are not fucking human in my eyes, you are a monster who feeds off the blood of children. DO. NOT. HURT. KIDS. END OF STORY.
Trump personally fucking had kids locked in cages. You vote for him, you're dead to me. You got a problem with Biden, then fucking march and demand a return to freedom or a fucking revolution, and I don't mean to install a dystopian government straight out of 1984, The Handmaid's Tale, Cyberpunk 2077, etcetera because I know your pathetic shitstained nose will fuck it up somehow unless I tell you that Capitalism doesn't fucking work any better than Communism and Democracy doesn't consider children people enough to protect them from corruption and greed. Fuck you.
Don't forget that Trump also wanted police and the National Guard to straight-up gun down protestors in the streets. In fact, he had to be talked out of it several times over the summer of 2020 if I remember correctly.