Everything I need is still in in the old settings windows that haven't changed in 23 years
Everything I need is still in in the old settings windows that haven't changed in 23 years
I don't know why I even bother opening the settings app
You go deep enough and very Windows 95 looking menus pop up. Like are they building over the old system? It's all very strange.
yes they are, actually. Backwards compatibility is a huge thing in Windows, it's why you can't name files certain names such as CON, and why you can find things from 3.1 etc. still.
Fun Fact: Every single Exe today still checks prior to running whether it is Barbie Riding Club (1998) or can it run normally?
Because when you update your OS and your game breaks - you don't blame Hasbro, you blame Windows every time. You can't just call up Sierra Games and ask them to update - they don't exist anymore and so you must carry everything forward - bugs included.
it's why you can't name files certain names such as CON
To expand on this: The reason you can't name files CON, etc., is because of a program from the 1960s called Peripheral Interchange Program (PIP), a program used in Digital Equipment Corporation's computers. The overall OS that PIP was part of was called CP/M.
DOS, which came out in the 80s and was made for IBM computers, was modeled after CP/M, and it kept and expanded the capabilities of PIP.
Then Microsoft came along and created a modified version of DOS called MS-DOS which IBM started using.
Eventually, Microsoft created Windows 95, merging two initially separate products: MS-DOS and Microsoft Windows. Microsoft left in the code for handling CON, etc., but they hadn't put in any limitations for filenames, which caused some bugs. So, from the next version of Windows onward, they disallowed the ability for anything to name a folder or file "CON", among other related things.
So the reason you can't name a file or folder "CON" is because of a 60-year-old file-copying program nobody uses anymore.
That's what happens when your entire business model is promising to support [your business name here]'s favorite feature forever. It makes a lot of money, but boy does it make for a terrible product
There's some even older UI bits buried around in there:
At some point last year I had a Japanese program launch a popup window that was clearly from pre-NT Windows. So bizarre.
That looks to be an Access prompt, from the MS office suite. If you've ever written a macro you know how ancient the UI looks behind the scenes with those apps, and this isn't even a main line office app since it deals with databases and they push excel to work with sets of data like that.
So yes it's a Microsoft product, but it's not really native Windows and it's not an app that makes a lot of sense to spend a lot of time developing.
Just for accuracy's sake. I'm certain there are better examples.
Anyways, I'm perfectly fine with dated UI as long as it's efficient and does what it's supposed to do. If they perfected this stuff way back when you had one chance to ship out a working product, is it really necessary to reinvent the wheel just for aesthetics? Cause that's how you get a neutered settings app instead of a fully functional control panel.
"Wait- It's all Windows NT?"
🌍🧑🚀🔫🧑🏽🚀
Always will be
Yes, actually.
Well, it's more like they update the old stuff and still add new stuff on top of it. That way, generally speaking, Windows can remain compatible with older programs.
there's a menu in windows from windows 3.1
edit: someone already mentioned it
It's actually insane how difficult it can be to find settings in windows. Especially when the indexing breaks for the 1000th time and you can't just search for it in the start menu.
This is the start menu experience:
"Photoshop"
*Wait 15 seconds *
"Here are some results from bing:"
😡😡
Mac and Linux it's instant, and not some garbage AI/ads/web search results.
Lol I installed open shell several years ago and have not looked back since. If I wanted to search the web with your shitty search engine, microsoft, I would have opened your shitty browser, now please sit down.
Probably shouldn't have installed it on my work computer for security compliance reasons but it's such an improvement in my workflow that I couldn't not install it. Highly recommend. Legit cannot imagine using windows without it anymore. https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
I have no idea why it breaks like this so often too. And it's such a pain in the ass to try to fix that I've generally given up on trying. At least when something very rarely happens with the indexer on Linux I know where to look to fix it.
Especially when you start typing something and it already started searching with your partial input and you your further and notice the thing your search for is first so you press enter, for it to now place another thing first with the extra input 😡
How can "displ" open display settings, but "display" opens a help page in Edge
This. You seem to have to give it less. Also it is just broken. I have excel installed, if i start typing excel ( even with app filter) it can't present it to me, it wants to hand me an ad or info page about what excel is and where to download it from
I have a dual boot machine, windows takes forever to find sometging with or without indexing in use. Boot to linux I type 2-3 letters and GNOME/tracker index hands me files instantly. if I mount the NTFS windows partition in Linux and use the aearch in Nautilus it finds files faster than windows.
Hahaha yees! The start menu search is hilarious!! You install a software, type in the exact bame of the software afterwards and the start menu search gives you the installer from your download folder instead of the installed program with the exact name you typed. The devs must have a lot of fun there. This is peak satire.
I just install list art on all my computers. I occasionally test the windows search but it fails spectacularly, 9.5 out of 10 times
I'll have you know windows has changed.
Now you can't move the task bar
well you still can move the icon's back to the left atleast
I just reinstalled windows and spent 30 minutrs trying to figure out how to get the normal taskbar back, with label text not just icons, and Jesus wept it turns out
THAT ESSENTIAL FEATURE IS GONE
I am flabbergasted. I don't know how anyone can use their PC without knowing what windows they have open and easy access to them. It's insane.
I downloaded my usual start menu replacer in the end, which it turns out had also saved my taskbar at some point when they make this insane change, and I just hadn't noticed.
That's not even mentioning that when windows first installed it had all the icons in the MIDDLE for some insane reason. They must be smoking some strong stuff over there.
I clicked the button in the bottom left, you know, the button that has always been the start menu button, for 30 years, and it brought up the weather or some shit.
When you have to start searching for the start menu you know you've fucked up. Christ it was awful.
I know they make a big deal of saying "Windows 10 will be our last numbered windows release" but I really hope Windows 12 fixes all this crap.
Even more recently, my right click alt menu has become weird and much more annoying, hiding the actual menu I want behind a "see more options" button, and I can't even use the keyboard to scroll through options and hit return to select one like I have my whole life. No, for some reason that menu is mouse only, and doesn't even have keyboard key shortcuts.
They're just stripping core features out left and right, and making everything harder to get at. It's madness.
What next? They'll get rid of the desktop?!
Seriously, the speed in which windows is getting worse since after win 7 is almost comical.
Win 7 was peak. Bonus points for giving option to make it look like Win9x by disabling all eye candy options.
Remember when they planned to move over all the Control Panel settings to the Settings app?
In Windows 10?
I still extensively use:
Win+R
ncpa.cpl
It's still the only way I know how to easily and quickly change my NIC settings.
The worst part is to change some things it adds like an extra 4 clicks to the old method.
Windows 11 had a link to that in under the advanced network options.
I say had as a recent update just took it away. They added a new advanced settings to replace the network connections part you linked to, but it is still missing options. Almost 10 years of the new settings and still no way to enable split tunneling on a vpn in the new UI.
Only 23 years?
I don't think this bad lad has changed since Windows 3.1
3.11 as 3.1 had no networking capability.
Whenever I saw that old dialog it felt like a comfort blanket... that won't ever let you go and entangle you in it's comfy iron grip.
3.11 but yeah
I am really going to miss the old settings when they finally remove what is left of Control Panel. So far they have removed things or moved shit to force the Settings app. But they keep failing to make the new things have anywhere near the level of control. The power settings from Control Panel still matter way more than Settings and seem to actually stick when applied. And I just really have no idea how they have made stuff like resetting networking/connection issues worse over time. Fucking right-clicking on the networking icon on the taskbar and picking "repair" would actually get shit working again 8 times out of 10. But just seems to be a placebo at this point. There are still so many times that using different resets in Internet Options fixes more stuff I see regularly than the resets in Settings->Networking.
And the newer Troubleshooting options never fix any of the Windows Update issues I come across. Just a glorified verification of the failures I already know are happening. I never thought I would so badly miss being able to tell Windows Update to ignore updates if they were bugging out (not to avoid them all together but at least stop the OS from just constantly going through the motions of installing and failing during each reboot/shutdown). So many of the updates that used to give me issues were really either down to them trying to install out of order or due to a fuck-up on MS's end that pushed bad updates.
The push to so deeply embed these AI models into everything so fast is really pissing me off. Shit is known to have issues with just outright making shit up. Which is IMO reason enough to not be adding them to end-products (especially since the end-products are also still not finished with removing old versions of things). One thing that really worries me in my job with fixing people's PCs is the AI and search that pushes web content (and the now inescapable placement of ads) above local resources/programs/settings/etc. The main issues people have aren't actual viruses like in the past. It is the massive levels of scams and fake alerts followed by fake "repair techs." If the average person is so easy to trick when it is people scamming them. AI is going to blow shit up waaaaaaaay worse and will be able to do it so much faster and completely. Average people are still under the impression that these AI chats are giving completely real and accurate information (reminds me of how people used to believe that if something was said on TV that it was real).
Shit is fucked and going to get much worse at a dramatically faster rate due to rushing things in order to make as much money as fast as possible. Even Microsoft used to ship things in a more complete state. But gaming has made shipping broken products completely normal. So no reason to care about keeping any level of quality.
Oh man your whole comment speaks to me.
And the newer Troubleshooting options never fix any of the Windows Update issues I come across.
I was fighting with this just last night. Ended up having to follow an official Microsoft guide on how to shrink my system partition by 250MB, remove the recovery partition and set up a new one with 250MB more space just so that windows update could actually install the newest update. Fortunately I enjoy dicking around with my computer and can afford to make a mistake that might trash my windows install but for others that rely on their machine this stuff has to be daunting and frustrating.
I was honestly excited about the new Settings when Windows 10 arrived. I was a Windows sysadmin for more than a decade and am intimately familiar with control panel and think it sucks. I hoped Settings would modernize and streamline. But here we are, so many years later, and many common tasks still lead us to control panel. Such disappointment.
And I just really have no idea how they have made stuff like resetting networking/connection issues worse over time.
While I generally agree with your comment, they did add an option (don't know how long it's been there) where you can right-click on the Internet icon, click the troubleshooter, and there's a button immediately right there in the troubleshooter to reset the adapter.
Like why is it so hard for them? The underlying settings database doesn't have to change, only the UI. Unless it's all so messed up nobody dares touch it.
Based on the progress from Win7 to Win8 to Win10 to Win11, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" doesn't seem to be a prevailing mantra at Microsoft.
It's like Windows is devolving into really, REALLY early Linux, where a single Control Panel application is broken up into a half dozen separate parts and scattered throughout the interface in a dozen separate sub-sub-sub menus.
You should NOT have to hunt for the "print" button in a freaking word processor.
I mean File->Print makes sense to me...
Ctrl + p still works?
I'm trying to remember but some Microsoft Office product did something entirely unexpected when I hit Ctrl+P to print. I wish I could remember the details but it was absolutely soul crushing seeing even basic keyboard shortcuts remapped
Because Microsoft went full Apple and adopted the "we know what's good for you so don't defy our decisions" philosophy of UX design.
The difference is that Apple usually executes it well, and Microsoft doesn't.
You set a Windows PC to dark mode, half of the system is still bright white. Apple wouldn't dream of doing that shit.
You start searching in the start menu, it's slow, gives you different results each day, misses a bunch of stuff, and tries to send you to Bing. Apple wouldn't dream of doing that shit.
Microsoft comes up with a new UX, but it's only a thin veneer, most of the system doesn't even use it and instead uses Win7 or earlier menus. Apple wouldn't dream of doing that shit.
For all their flaws (and believe me I know they have many. I don't intend to ever own an Apple product), Apple actually gives a shit about having a polished and consistent UX.
They wouldn't have a dark mode that still leaves half the system white, they wouldn't have 20+ year old UI cruft, etc.
The issue is that Apple had that mentality from the start. Microsoft tried to Frankenstein it in after the OS had already matured under a different UX philosophy, not only that, they also didn't commit all the way to changing the philosophy since they still wanted legacy support. They basically ended up with the drawbacks of both philosophies and very little of the benefits of either.
It's not that because Microsoft is changing their own UI. IMO this is the typical corporate climber problem all corporations have. No one gets promotions maintaining software. So you get designers changing stuff for the sake of change so it can go on their resume.
They went full WEF
Install Linux, be done with the Microsoft windows shit.
Wow, I had to scroll past 5 comments to see a Linux circlejerk. What's happening to Lemmy??
My manjaro install broke 5 hours after I installed it. My latop speakers never worked...
I wanted to open "devices and printers" and it opened some bullshit in the settings app and it didn't tell me the model of PC I have, then I clicked on "more information" or something like that and it opened the old "devices and printers" like I wanted in the first place.
Not all new things are good, Microsoft. Don't fix what isn't broken. I know new features make the shareholders jizz in their pants, but I want my system to continue working the way I need it to work. I've had to go out and get quite a few third party apps just to get around all the bullshit you keep changing for no reason.
Ah yes. Well when I want to modify my IP address I do:
Win+R
Then I enter:
Ncpa.cpl
And hit enter. So easy.
Not so easy is the more useful printer settings:
Win+R
Then:
shell:::{A8A91A66-3A7D-4424-8D24-04E180695C7A}
🤦🏻
Meanwhile the KDE settings panel has been designed and redesigned like 20 times in the past 20 years. Much better, but also... Dude, please focus more on stability and less on "let's redo this from scratch again!"
On linux don't you just google how to change some setting and copy and paste some command line from stackoverflow?
I kind of wish they would stop moving things around in the KDE settings. But at least the search works in submillisecond timing and I can always find what I'm looking for
Honestly KDE has the best settings of anything I've ever used. Everything is exactly where you would expect and the search is just about perfect if you somehow can't find something.
You got the right to not being force fed a new one though.
I assumed they would try for feature parity at some point, but I think they forgot.
21st century Windows developer: "Hey! You know what people REALLY want in a text-based Office Suite? VERY very light gray text on a white background!"
Dude I got fucking livid yesterday because Alt keyboard shortcuts no longer work in Paint.
You have to interact with the ribbon before the alt key works.
And then there’s no key shortcut for “Save As” or “Exit”.
The fuck Microsoft. They weren’t hurting anyone and you’re wrecking 30 years of muscle memory. You know how frustrating that is?
Haha I ran into this a few months ago. I too was losing my fucking mind over this
Honestly if I hadn’t switched to Linux 10 years ago I would’ve said that this would be the thing to set me off and switch. (This was my work computer, and even though Ubuntu is available, Linux users are second-class citizens in my shop…all sorts of weird issues and not nearly enough support because it’s a very limited offering)
It’s incredibly frustrating. It’s more than muscle memory at this point, it’s practically instinct. It’s so anti-user and there’s no reason to do it except to bring paint into the fold of all the other ribbon office apps, as if people haven’t been complaining about everything wrong about ribbon for what, 8 years now?
im planning to switch from windows 11 to linux mint in 2026
Unpopular opinion: Linux Mint sucks ass and there are so many great distros to choose from, which aren't Linux Mint. It looks like Windows XP and functions like Windows XP. Still uses X11, which doesn't even have proper support for 1:1 touchpad gestures and handles multiple displays with different scaling factors and refresh rates in a way that is, well, hacky and janky at best or non-functional at worst.
I get that Linux Mint is easy to use because it's made specifically to be as convenient as possible to users coming from Windows but jeez, it looks and feels like something from 2005, especially on a laptop...
I've just started to daily drive Mint, after finding Fedora confusing and Ubuntu somehow slow and stuttery.
Every few years I try out Linux desktop and this is the first time I've found it usable enough for me. For the first time I'm not delving into forum posts from last decade to get simple stuff working.
What distro would you recommend that does desktop usability better than Mint?
Linux Mint might look outdated but it's stable as hell. Especially LMDE. Any time I mess around with arch/arch-based derivatives or any rolling release distros I'm quickly reminded why I chose to run Mint as my primary OS. I'm long past my distro hopping days so having something that works without question and doesn't require any mucking around is huge for me.
I'll take something from 2005 as a compliment to Linux Mint. Having installed it in 2006 you are absolutely correct. It's shockingly boring lack of constant UI paradigm shifts almost makes me forget about the OS completely. I'm at the point in my Linux journey where I see slow adoption of new things as good. I accept others have setups that mint does not work for, but I would wager there is no Linux DE better suited as a first suggestion to try depending on the newness of the hardware. If you have 5 monitors of differing resolutions and frame rates then sure, there are better DEs.
It's s gateway drug. It's ok to let them come in on Mint and Ubuntu, they're scared and confused. Give them creature comforts. Once they're warm and fuzzy, they'll get inquisitive and branch out.
Regale to the Mint users the virtues of your better choices, but tell the windows users come on it and use whatever they're comfortable with.
I used Mint when I first started playing around with Linux about a decade ago and it was pretty good. But I recently tossed it on a laptop that I primarily just wanted to run a web browser and have minimal faffing about and I've been extremely impressed with how it's matured.
The DE is snappy and unobtrusive with extremely sane defaults. The software center is extremely usable and has very nice flatpak integration, their replacement desktop utilities for the Gnome utilities they once used are very full featured and don't get in your way, and in most cases where Canonical built their own tool that nobody else uses, Mint has already swapped it with the standard tool. If your goal is to just get a Linux desktop going with minimal faffing about Mint has really become a brilliant choice to do so with
linux mint is working on wayland
Why not sooner?
because if i say it it's gonna be 2026 then it's gonna hard to make me say 2024
Just do it now, you won't regret it, or install mint in a virtual machine and full screen it and get use to it, you'll find yourself using windows less and less every day. My personal go to is Kubuntu, because I like the customization capabilities and lower memory footprint than Gnome. I hate tiling windows managers, so don't recommend those please.
windows 7-style control panel is one of the most non intuitive uis ever created
I agree.
We're both going to get downvoted but the settings app has a much better UI than control panel full stop. The problem is the years of development that have gone into it only for the settings app to redirect to the control panel anyway for 50% of the things you want to do because they still haven't been bothered to actually integrate everything directly into the app.
If you could actually do everything in the settings app that you could do in the control panel after 3 versions of windows I don't think it would be so universally disliked.
If you could actually do everything in the settings app that you could do in the control panel after 3 versions of windows I don't think it would be so universally disliked
This was my biggest gripe with the settings app when I still used Windows
I use linux now, and for someone like me who likes to tinker and script, it has been amazing
Isn't this what the whole post is about? Not having all the settings / info in the new settings?
It's the same as M365, and they're always changing where things are located and renaming things. So stupid.
win11 settings app can do a lot on it's own, most network settings can now be configured there (except if you need to configure some obscure protocol or sth) DHCP, DNS, static/dynamic ipv4/ipv6 options, DoH both per-adapter and per-network are there
For the past 8 years I have had to disable 'mouse acceleration' after every Windows update. The updates have become more frequent, and the setting to disable acceleration has slowly become buried deeper in the menus. Switched to Linux two days ago and I'm never looking back.
i actually prefer acceleration btw
Really annoying start search that doesn't go to the control panel programs but opens bing search instead, also the right control panel features are not linked from the new 2024 system app ui WTF
The new windows appification and UI shit screams "we think people are straight up fuckin retarded" to me. They might as well manufacture keyboards to look like speak and spell toys
If it actually was easier, I wouldn't complain. But in most cases, the new settings make it harder to find and change settings.
I wish home and pro version influenced the setting panes. I get what they're trying to do with making it look like OSX and Linux and why the "network interface and adapters" probably isn't helpful for many home users, but I just wanna manage my interfaces here.
I think Network and Sharing Centre was more useful than the shit we have now.
bro I'm so happy that the last windows i set up was 2015... i remember every time the excruciating 1h set aside to click and confirm and authenticate privileged access and pull slider etc... no sensible way to just run it in terminal, at least not that i know of. and nowadays there's this useless right-click menu that hides the real right-click menu and you can only fix this by finding a registry key 😂😂😂
Appwiz.cpl, ncpa.cpl, desk.cpl and mmsys.cpl. I use all the time.. ever since win 8 changed all the settings ui. That new ui, while getting better since 8 still sucks since the old control panel. I hope they never remove it since windows is still the name of the game for end users (even in some software dev environments).
Here's a list of cpl, you just use them at run or even the windows search. https://www.itechtics.com/control-panel-applets-cpl/
Thank you for the good read, definitely will come in handy at work
Thank you I've bookmarked this as I'm always forgetting them.
As I’ve heard this explained, enterprise admins have scripts, and to a less important extent muscle memory, tied to Control Panel layout and command lines, and that’s not a group you want to irritate.
I thought this was intentional? They have control panel stuff somewhat similar to the old style, but build a settings app for the less technical people so they can find common stuff without getting overwhelmed?
It is intentional but not like that, Windows is built on backwards compatibility. That's why so many parts of current Windows versions have seemingly parts of old versions tacked onto them.
Not quite. The two menus also have different settings in them
Hey, at least Windows has really good backwards compatibility.
That is only maintained due to the new operating system being a new shell placed on top of the countless older shells and some new small features that rely on the newest most fragile thing they added with the shell
I heard some call it the "painting over rust" method, and they're maintaining the most used and by some organisations the most relied on operating system in the world
*unwilling
Everything I need is configurable through PowerShell for years. Why bother with UI? Win 7, 10 or 11 - it's all the same.
Can it list available settings that could be changed, because if so it is an almost perfect replacement for the settings app?
Because I don't have all the commands to do everything memorized. Also powershell versions and compatibility / features have changed a lot over the years.
Not to say that Powershell is a bad thing in any way, it is quite useful for the stuff I do at work. But it is a mess just like the rest of MS.
Yeah I've been a mixed environment sysadmin for many years and still to keep need a Windows desktop at home and powershell makes it all happen. I basically do a complete debloat of my install and and all that. I actually like the overall Windows 11 desktop environment but omg the bloatware is insane I don't know how people use it without knowing how to clean it up.
I've got fed up of them changing how many hoops you go through to get to the old settings so I have the .cpl commands memorized that work no matter what computer you're at
Appwiz.cpl ncpa.cpl for common examples
So fucking annoyed at the taskbar overflow shit in Windows now. I don't want it hiding any of my system tray icons...I want to see what's running and I don't care how it looks. Every time certain apps update themselves, I have to go in again and select that particular app to hide itself with no way to tell Windows to just stop trying to hide system tray icons altogether. I've told it to hide Discord and the Xbox app probably 20 times each now and it conveniently forgets my decision every app update.
That's why you enable godmode
https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/enable-god-mode-windows-11
