Biden said to call Netanyahu 'a f**king liar' after Israeli troops entered Rafah | The Times of Israel

There has been a change in what he says.

But yeah, still nothing on what he does.

And it still hasn’t stopped Bibi from pushing
There is literally no benefit for loyalty to a facist government, the second you’re not 100% with them you’re 100% against them.

Agreed.

This comment didn’t happen yesterday, it was months ago. And Biden still hasn’t changed.

Biden is almost out anyways. Here's hoping this will be different once Harris has a freer hand.

It’s really weird and stressful to be a US citizen right now.

I can't even begin to express how stressed I've been over this.

Anyone that has the misfortune of recognizing they've been encountering my comments of pure exasperation lately will attest to that...

I'm generally a pessimistic person, but I truly believe Trump is going to win this and the heritage foundation is going to be able to implement their plan to solidify control of the government.

This is very important info.

I find here on Lemmy folks don't often consider these types of second order consequences.

It's very ugly but it has to be considered.

So you're saying Israel actually controlling the US?

I hope someday Americans realize that its not scary muslims that are America's enemy, its the zionists, and it always has been since partition.

I remember an Malaysian ex-Prime Minister was denounced by George W. Bush for saying that the Jews are ruling the world by proxy. Saying it’s the Jews is definitely extreme, but with these organizations and what we’re seeing playing out politically, it’s hard to say there’s no truth in what that PM said.

He had the chance to legitimize the option. They have the evidence, and they have the laws. He treated both of those like chopped liver and that was that. He's locked in now.

The majority of Americans are opposed to sending weapons to Israel. Even the majority of Republicans.

Supporting Israel for political gain is a vastly overstated argument. It exists to justify sending weapons to Israel.

It is very similar to the previous claim that Biden should not have been replaced because he was the incumbent.

They didn’t stop to think: what if people don’t want to vote for genocide? Oh well, we won’t give them that option because genocide is an American value. See: native Americans.

Tired and factually incorrect narrative. Grow a spine.

Drag thinks giving guns to murderers is the political suicide.

So we throw away the “rules based international order” and return to the pre-1914 unilateral rules and all the brutal wars that bought? So much better, amirite? Might makes right, and we’ve got the might for now!

The US stance on Israeli leadership is decimating our ability to wield soft power influence. We are global hypocrites blocking ANY action, whilst expecting the world to fall in line to support Ukraine against Russian revanchism - even NATO members dissent from the US position. The global south is turning to China/OPEC+ trading blocs. They already tried to break the petrodollar, which would be a huge blow if successful.

Even taking a realpolitik approach, without soft power all those US military bases used for ‘power projection’ lose their local consent, and become occupation sites inside non-allied nations. The Muwaffaq Salti Air Base in Jordan is a chill spot for launching COIN drone missions - whereas the Conoco base in Syria is constantly under drone and rocket attack.

Supporting Bibi’s wars of aggression is a stupid play on multiple levels.

The US military-industrial complex does not need you to defend it.

It might well be more complex than that, but you have every right to demand from your government to put its vast resources to use in order to tackle that complexity. Given the severity of the situation, I'd say you have a responsibility to.

Seeing such a tragedy unfold and going 'oh, my government probably has a good reason to keep funding the active genocide, I'd hate to give some extra paperwork to our bureaucrats by making a fuss!' is very defeatist, to put it politely.

Since you are a person "with knowledge of how any of it works", please share with the class what those penalties and repercussions are. Educate us poor ignorant "random Internet citizens".

"You expect America, with its history of breaking promise and agreement and doing whatever the fuck it wants and giving two middle fingers to anyone that doesnt like it.. to break its promises and agreements with Israel to prevent a genocide? THE NERVE! HOW UNCOUTH! WHY I NEVER!"

You're right, they should keep supporting acts of genocide because doing anything else is just too darn hard.

Very well said!

It is.

It was easy enough for Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, and Obama.

It is easy enough to do again.

Seriously, do you have no idea about recent history?

Israel is going to impose "penalties" on the US? Are you high?

Israel doesn't get to threaten the world with our weapons. That's why we have laws about this specific thing.

I think there's a much more lively audience who's votes could be won with the simple free act of stopping weapons sales to Israel or banning their use on civilian infrastructure.

Blinken does this to Ukraine on a regular basis literally to avoid escalation, to the point of absurdity like not letting Ukraine strike Russian military bases where glide bombs are being launched from...

...but somehow this administration is dumbfounded about how we can curtail Israel from blowing up ambulances and orphanages?

This is exactly the fact they never want to hear, and instantly ignore, then forget the moment you bring it up.

There is no real different between two kind of shameless liars covering up mass murder of children.

One might even say Netanyahu is at times less dishonest (if one could measure "honesty" at such infinitesimal levels) because he's more open about his murderous intentions.

Biden on the other hand is a full blown hypocrite who claims to want to stop Netanyahu whilst knowingly sending him the very 2000lb bombs used in residential areas in Gaza and Lebanon, a kind which the US Military itself does not use because its collateral damage is too massive.

They're both sociopaths, it's just that while Netanyahu is playing a "strong man" character whilst Biden plays the "powerless to act gentleman", and many in more modern nations don't recognized the shameless lying under the latter style as easily as they do under the former.

Cause his VP isn't.

Because his abysmal approval ratings bring Harris's down too. Harris has never been good at formulating any statement of her own principles-- even back when she was running for president against Biden, she had no platform, just bromides that polled well. She's a cardboard cutout.

Or rank and file dems should grow the courage of their convictions and organize to stop allowing the dem centrists to take the zionist campaign money. Polls show most Americans dont support The zionists colonization and their associated war crimes.

When did they say that exactly?

You must have been living under a rock for months now if you still think Biden is the one running against Trump.

Further, I wonder what kind of Morals, Ethics and Principles a person must have to think others should stay mute about two-faced hypocrites actively helping the modern Nazis mass-murder children in, not one but TWO countries, lest the electoral chances of that person's party are weakened.

One wonders just how many Nazi-support layers away from the actually Nazis does it take to stop being a Nazi? Is the Nazi-supporter still a Nazi? How about those who support and defend Nazi-supporters - are they Nazis?

Liberals can have a little genocide, as a treat. They've lost so much weight since segregation!

Seeing what we did to Assange, Manning, Snowden and others, it's not exactly encouraging.

There are intelligence briefs that we get from Israel, and the money we give them tends to boomerang right back into the US military-industrial complex.

OTOH, Israel collapses in a week without US support. Maybe politicians should realize this and use it to tell Israel to knock it the fuck off.

If you think what's happening in Gaza is purely religious in nature you have absolutely no clue what's going on. The state of Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine land for decades. They have concentration camps filled with Palestinians where they commit rape and torture.

Palestinians are fighting for freedom from oppression, they are not fighting for religious beliefs.

Biden and the American government have been supplying a terrorist state with weapons as they actively commit a genocide. That's why people are pissed. Biden is literally giving weapons to a fucking war criminal.

the west has nothing to do with it they just simply set up the settler colonial apartheid state and gave it infinite weapons and constantly protect it from any retaliation.

You fall right into that "pick a side and get in line to accept whatever their consultants want or get bribed to do" fallacy. If every Dem had pressured the dem leadership by voting uncommitted, the dem leadership would have known they were going to lose and changed course. But people like yourself take whatever slop falls on the floor and call that dogs dinner enough of a democracy. Thats Pathetic.

problems so tied to religious fundamentalism on both sides

No actually, its the nakba. Its always been about the nakba and the murders done because of it. For 800 years of the existsnce of the ottoman empire the jews and muslims got along perfectly well in the middle east, and that ended when the ottoman empire was disolved after WW2.. So history shows us your idea isnt true.

cuz I'm opposed to all genocide actually

Because ethnostate is just the excuse people use. Look at the demographics, it's very multicultural in population.

But it's leadership sucks donkey balls and there is way too much religion in their society.

The Jewish people have the right to a home state as facing antisemitism has been a distinct reality of their cultural past. Of course, both Israel and Palestine deserve the right to self govern and their people the right to self determination. The civilized world shouldn’t accept genocide from allies either

Yes, absolutely. Israel and Palestine are places where people live and community structures exist. They belong to the people who live there.

I actually believe a 1 state solution will be more stable in the long term. The defacto 2 state solution, with one under occupation will never work. The Palestinian vote should be enough to swing the Israeli government away from the right.

Restitution needs to be part of the process, but not at the cost of established long communities and stable communities. There is no magic wand to "make it back the way it was". Communities are groups of people, not places. Focus on restoring the networks of people. It won't be fair, but it might be the best option available.

To hell with divine rights and ancestor speak. Secular freedoms for all, before religious freedoms.

It's the only way to peace in the region.

As to how to get to that point, I am terribly underqualified, but a Marshall style international intervention like what happened in Germany and Japan after WWII probably holds some value.

People liked Trumps sassy one liners too, as much as they didnt want to. And Bush's. The more brazenly stupid the better.

And yet the Nuremberg defense is no defense at the Hague. Go figure.

It's been well reported on that Russia doesn't work like that, with junior officers unable to use initiative and the whole system being very slow to respond to changing events. The reason it operates like this was shown when they did try having a more independent unit, which resulted in the Wagner Group mutinying.

Exactly