All she has to do is say she'll show up to talk to the American people even if Trump doesn't feel it's important or if he can't handle a debate.
Maybe even say it's understandable given his age and general health threat he can't handle it again.
And trump will 100% show up and make an even bigger ass of himself.
It's against instinct, but that's how you fuck with people like trump
Man oh man, do I hope the Harris campaign embraces this trolling-the-troll tactic, and that it makes an impact with enough of the bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe dumb-as-a-rock crowd.
I wish it mattered. I wish facts and functional debate mattered more than racism, bigotry, and fear of others. People who vote for him do so not because of his ability in discourse.
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FUCK YOUR FEELINGS Commie! But Kamala Harris hurt my feelings so she's BAD and I'm NOT Voting for her!
I wish politics didn't get reduced to "he/she was good on the teevee" level or below that.
In 2016, I remember Hillary being perfectly rational and clear during the debates. Yet I also remember reaction photos from across the country, people not even listening to the words being spoken, just squirming at the sight of Clinton, poisoned by decades of negative propaganda against her, utterly oblivious just how viscerally they had been manipulated by right-wing media's hatred towards "this... this... uppity librul woman".
They didn't listen to a single goddamned word being spoken by anyone. They might as well been watching a silent .gif as far as they were concerned. Such informed voters, so savvy! bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe!
The people who vote for him don't read, they barely understand segments on TV - they understand the big picture from sound bites and short videos. The debates just broke Trump into the worst possible clips imaginable and will definitely trickle into the feeds of some ardent followers who will question why their man looked stupid when usually he looks so smart. It will show the deplorables their leader IS that dumb.
More specifically: he is furious that he was humiliated by a woman.
Because humiliating women is part of his imminent being, thus his status quo has been challenged, and he fuckin' hates that someone beneath him doesn't "know their place."
Hope she wins.
Her handshake in the beginning devastated him
Good.
More specifically: he is furious that he was humiliated by a woman.
Not just by a woman, but a minority
"She used to be black, then she wasn't. Now she is. I don't care."
And nobody asked "how did she stop being black?"
She established control with the forced handshake and introducing herself. Which I don't think she planned, but she saw the opportunity and jumped all over it. I almost expected him to turn away and run off, it rattled him.
I believe that was 100% planned, she knew perfectly well going in he wouldn't meet her in the middle and instead asserted the situation. He didn't shake hands with Clinton or Biden - I thought it was a great way to show him she's different.
Yeah, she’s competent, she practiced everything she possibly could and that’s a guarantee
I mean at this point he probably has a phobia of adept legal professionals. She probably gave him the Prosecution stare and he damn near wet himself.
he wasn't able to yank her arm off like others lol
He wasn't prepared for it. It was /her/ handshake.
How do you think they chose to have her introduce herself by name?
Saw speculation it was due to mispronunciation
She should take the opportunity to debate an empty podium. (Mostly kidding, because when Eastwood "debated" an empty chair, he just seemed senile and silly.)
But I do think the country needs to see Tim Walz give a good schooling to JD Vance.
Trump wasn't going to say anything coherent anyway. Just stick Alec Baldwin up there and have him read AI generated nonsense.
I think the country seeing more of those two would really sway votes the way I'd prefer. So I'm biased.
But gov Walz represents as very genuine and honest and caring, and the more we can see some of that on our TVs the more we can believe that a most-good-soonest kind of administration is an option.
Look. They could lose. Or Harris and Walz could be faking, even if I don't think so (or want to think so). Or gopnik fearmongering could be right and they could only be barely better than a Dump/Chance ticket.
Just give us this. We haven't had positivity and hope since prez Obama and the hope of Change[TM].
Now, as I haven't suggested everyone boycott for one particular single issue or another, I expect downvotes right to hell. So be it.
Waltz is the guy you want to be your dad, your uncle, your coach, or just the highly respected friend at the bar.
We need more of him. Clone him, someone.
I think the country seeing more of those two would really sway votes the way I’d prefer. So I’m biased.
It won't change a single vote.
It will only change the way they say they voted.
It's just like 2016 before the election, everyone is a devout libertarian, sticking by their principles.
Speaking of voter fraud, did you know nobody voted for Bush in 2004? Everyone you ask says they didn't now, weird huh?
She should take the opportunity to debate an empty podium. (Mostly kidding, because when Eastwood "debated" an empty chair, he just seemed senile and silly.)
A whole debate with that would be silly. She could turn it into a town hall style discussion and run commercials with her debating and "waiting" on donald. He could be scared somewhere with a blankie.
Look at the debate from the start. His slow ass could barely make it to his podium before she was their to shake his hand. She was fast, confident, and looked strong to me. Donald looked like he was huffing to the stage.
She should take the opportunity to debate an empty podium
Or a handbag
Hopefully this is the election that ends Trump's political career once and for all. Guy just needs to fuck off for good.
The interviews with independents worry me. The Times was saying they complained about not getting enough specifics from Harris.
Which is infurating being how handwavy Trump's whole platform is. For example, I have no idea how he intends to get sub $2 gas being the last time it happened the price of crude was literally negative.
He needs to fuck off to jail as an example is what he needs to do.
Hopefully this is the election that ends Trump
political careeronce and for all.
Is this actually confined? I don't want to take what comes out of the shitter as truth
Edit: YUP
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/11/media/will-trump-and-harris-debate-again-abc-moderators/index.html
FUCKING ROASTED
Conventional knowledge is that it's in Harris's advantage to not give him another chance, even though she'd probably trounce him. He's mostly just afraid of her after being bullied back effectively for the first time on stage.
I cried laughing when he took the rally size bait. It's a shame we won't get more of that, lol
I cried laughing when he took the rally size bait. It's a shame we won't get more of that, lol
I don't watch american debates. What was the bait?
She invited the American public to watch one of his weird rallies and watch how his small crowds leave early due to exhaustion and boredom.
He could not help himself and refused to answer the next debate question spending all of his time talking about how big his rallies were, how Harris’ rallies were small and fake.
He ended it with, and I have to preface this with the fact that this is a real thing that happened and not hyperbole I’m using for comedic effect, talking about some unhinged and completely baseless conspiracy about immigrants stealing and eating peoples pets.
Remember that time Trump did so horribly in the debate then wandered out into the press room after to make sure everybody thought he did well?
He looked more like someone with Sundowner’s who got away from his nurses.
Not that I don't believe this - Snell is a laywer and commentator seen on MSNBC and NPR - but I would like to see more than a screenshot of a tweet about it.
Not OP, but
Former President Trump told "Fox and Friends" Wednesday morning that he is "less inclined" to participate in another debate against Vice President Kamala Harris before the election
https://www.axios.com/2024/09/11/trump-harris-second-debate-2024
He always was afraid of her. He's afraid of any woman who isn't an Eastern Block prostitute/handler.
Time to start calling in to any news outlet at the same time that Trump's on the air to debate him over the phone.
Then create social media bots to reply to each of Trump's posts with "Why is this weird old guy too scared to debate me?"
Bully him out of his own safe spaces and see what happens when he has nowhere to hide.
Holy shit, I forgot that movie exists. And that's exactly 20 years ago!
It’s clear that without brainless masses , politics wouldn’t exist
Worth noting, that the person who feels like they won the debate won't want more because it can only hurt them. He probably thinks he won.
It could be either; he thinks he won or he knows he lost and has no hope of improving.
Fwiw I think the few undecideds that are left probably saw what they needed to make their decision last night.
The behaviour is also consistent with someone who knows they lost and expects to lose hard again if there's a rematch. Maybe even more so if he had the impression he was holding his own while it was going and then saw what everyone else was saying after the fact.
I guess there's always rational for either way being true, it's all speculation anyway 😂
Person who wins debate to gain more votes does not want more votes
Well we still have the VP debate to look forward to.
Oh man I am looking forward to JD Vance asking everyone how long they've been working there.
Trump can read a room and change his positions accordingly; he knows banning abortion is unpopular, so he frames it as "Well actually I'm why all those states had referendum's protecting women's healthcare", which is is true, in the same way Rosa Park's bus driver played a role in the Montgomery Bus Boycott.
JD Vance does not have such instincts.
Okay. Good.
He was scared of her already. When they entered the stage he was intimidated. Go wash somebody reviewing body language and they'll show you bit by bit just how bad it was. The part where he refused to even look at her no matter what his circumstances? Yeah he was terrified and no idea of how to process it.
Awww maybe a diaper change would make him feel better?
"You play too rough, I'm going home!"
Ok, you know what Harris should do instead then? Do a live AMA on fox with real viewer questions. Seeing those numbers Trump wouldn't be able to restrain himself from demanding another debate. And this time it'll start with an announcer going "round two, fight!" and not end before "finish him!"
She has nothing to gain from that. Why would she open herself to possibly critical questions she cannot prepare for?
Seriously, and even the slightest misstep, would just feed the rabid viewer base.
Why should she be afraid of critical questions? Besides baiting Trump, Harris would also show that she will be the president of the entire country, not just the people who voted for her. I may have paraphrased that bit from the west wing, but it does have some merit.
If american politics should be less polarized, then you can't have a third of the citizens feeling left out. What good can come from dismissing the topics that Trump's voters feel are important? Make them feel seen and make them feel heard. No, you probably can't reach the rally going nuts, but if people only voted for Trump, if they'd been to a rally, then he wouldn't be an issue.
... and the moderators fact-checked his shit.
Honestly, Kamala didn't have to say anything. It was all "trump v trump" for a little while there which was worth seeing and has been the crown jewel of very debate digest. All that needed to happen was for moderators to call bullshit on his hyperbole and fabrication in real time.
Kamala had to get him upset and she did. Kamala also had to avoid talking about policy details and avoid conversations about fracking.
It was a win for Kamala, but it took some effort, it wasn't easy.
I saw it on TV.
S(he) (broke) him 😔
Why, though? His supporters will believe anything he says. Is something going to magically snap them out of their hypnosis? Will somebody actually say, "yeah, I think Trump, who raped a 13-year-old and can't spell out the truth for shit, is someone I want for president!"? I know she "defeated" him in the debate, but what will change?
A handful of moderate conservatives who might have voted Trump will be disillusioned with his cowardice and not bother voting at all. This is a motivate/demotivate election, not a change minds election.
It familiarizes Americans with her and hopefully gets people off the couch to vote. Trump is working with limited numbers, if there's a great turnout, she wins.
hopefully gets people off the couch to vote.
So Vance won't be voting then?
This is because Trump is a SUPER DUPER STRONG MAN!
Jerrymandering is now allowed across time dilation fronts. So a republican elector vote can count very many times due to superposition.
Use his full name: Donald "The Coward" Trump
This may be all true, for now, but don't forget what a flip-flopper he is.
I sounded the same after I begrudgingly agreed to ass play with my ex. Still sore...
Well, he was on enough Adderall to kill a horse. He probably wouldn't survive a binge that massive again.
We don’t really need any more debates. One was more than enough, and the election is two months away.
Under normal circumstances, the debates would help highlight each candidate's approach to varying topics to help people better understand who they want to vote for.
Trump's intentional unwillingness to abide by the debate rule makes it little more than a middle school kids insult match.
