To place Russian communism and Nazi-fascism on the same moral plane, in that both would be totalitarian, is superficial at best, fascism at worst. Whoever insists on this equation may well consider himself a democrat, in truth and in the bottom of his heart he is in fact already a fascist, and certainly only in a hypocritical and insincere way will he fight fascism, while reserving all his hatred for communism.
If I was to give this point of the benefit of the doubt (which, to be clear, I don't) what you're saying is that tankies are accelerationists. And I get it, to an extent -- a comfortable middle class isn't going to be concerned about the depredations of the right until they start to find themselves in the crosshairs -- but the last time fascists got their way in the world, more than 73 million people died. Arguing, in effect, that the aftermath of another world war will be better for the survivors is a... challenging point to defend when it requires you to dismiss the deaths of a significant percentage of the world's population, especially when those most in danger from a rising right wing are those that a supposed left-winger should most want to protect. Sacrificing religious, ethnic, and sexual minorities on the altar of a better future for religious, ethnic, and sexual minorities doesn't sit well with me.
Whatever it takes including sending tanks after people because they don't agree with your rule or am I missing something? Tankies is literally authoritarian or do you mean that your ideology is different and you want people to stop calling you that?
You have a choice between 1) capitalism that's free for all, fuck the earth, fuck the workers, fuck the consumer, disband the EPA, OSHA, FTC, or 2) capitalism that's regulated, with environmental protection, worker protections, minimum wages, workplace standards, product regulations, etc. The choice should be obvious.
We need a new name for Russian state sponsored spam other than "troll", which should be restored to the original status as a perpetually online nerd who enjoys starting arguments.
I call trump supporters Redcaps after the especially blood thirsty kind of Goblin
What's a similarly degrading fantasy creature that's known for being a mindless parrot of whatever is said to it by its master? Or would that fit the people who fall for the state trolls better?
Tankie in 1956: Getting into your T-90 and driving across the Hungarian border to brutally suppress an uprising of (coughnationalcough) socialists protesting Soviet occupation
Tankie in 2024: Getting into your PSA Bronto and doing donuts in your neighborhood cul de sac blaring "Don't Vote for Joe Biden" out of a megaphone, until police show up and drag you off to prison for violating a noise ordinance.
Wish the people emulating (knowingly or unknowingly) the ideology of Ernst Thälmann would look a little harder at how that worked out for both Germany and him.
Wishing the people emulating (knowingly or unknowingly) the ideology of the SDP would look a little harder at how backing Hindenburg instead of Thälmann worked out for both Germany and them.
The thing is, i promised my mom and my history teacher id never vote for a genocider, so my hands are tied. If dems want to run someone who isnt the literal definition of evil, i wouldnt have to vote for trump. Its insane how dems love to use the lesser evil argument right up until theyre convincing us to vote for a genocider.
They'll actually cheer on for those death squads. If they had their way, they would have their own death squads. Marxists are infamous for their tyranny, genocide, forced deportations, engineered famines, purges, labor camps, hate, and secret police death squads.
Marxism and fascism are sister ideologies because they ultimately want the same things but just from slightly different angles.
Marxism: History is defined by material conditions and value comes from appropriated labour which workers are entitled to. Thus society should be oriented around collective ownership of the means of production in order to elevate the material conditions of the worker and usher in a new age of history. It is inevitable that the owning class will resort to violence to maintain their position and so this change will be a violent struggle. Eventually the state itself should be abolished once the transition is complete. Also this is inevitable because umm science wand wave.
Fascism: Power should be centralised on strong men wiling to make hard choices, everyone else should live subservient to the state. Military power, an ethnonational identity, and autarchy are the highest pursuits. Concession and concensus are weakness, might is the ultimate expression of power and violence for the glory of the nation is beautiful. Modernity is degenerate and we should idolise a mythologised past based around an ethnic group we claim the mantle of.
probably getting shot for not wearing enough religious flair. Any half decent strategist knows you only choose the quick path when you have overwhelming power.
Has anyone else noticed that a shit ton of .ml bots have been very active here over the last day or so? These accounts aren’t new. But they also haven’t been active in these communities.
Its really funny too because they think saying "Tankie just means people I dont agree with" doesnt immediately out them as a Tankie trying to muddy the waters. Thanks for letting me know you're actually a hexbear!
It's decades old. Refers to people who support communist regimes regardless of what they do. Originally because the Soviet Union used tanks to quell rebellion and some people in the west still cheered for them.
I believe it was coined by the British left when the USSR quashed the Hungarian revolution by driving tanks through their streets. Anyone still in support of them is deemed a "tankie." Nowadays it was meant to criticize authoritarian communists.
I apologize I'm only up to 's' in my quest to memoriz3 every fucking word ever used in the English language. 🙄 The fuckin word, "meme" is like a million years old. It doesn't mean it was as regularly used in conversation before social media. On a different note, for how many other languages use Lemy how would you know English is my primary language?
No, but considering Lemmy overall has grown 5800% in active monthly users in the first month the Reddit protests began, it's safe to assume most people haven't been here much longer than that lol. How long have you b3en using Lemy? 20 years? 50 years? Lol /s
One of the awesome things about a community like this is that when tankies post their unironic takes, we can just pretend to agree with them and make them look like fools.
Should work as repellent for tankies and russian specific trolls
For country specific trolls you need to mention something that is censored locally there that the trolls are afraid of their supervisor seeing which leads for some people mentioning massacres like "Red Terror" or "Tiannamen Square" and that is the reasoning behind it
My mind is kinda blown by this. I always thought it was "queue", so "queue all liberals saying such and such" would be like "all liberals are going to line up to say such and such", but cue works!
Since when has the American main stream media been tankies? Sounds like you’re doing everything you can to cope. But keep banging the drum of “he isn’t Trump”. It will surely work.
Since when has the American main stream media been tankies?
American main stream media has stated that they will not vote for Biden? Is American main stream media in the room with us right now? Can you point him out?
Are you really trying to act like mainstream media isn’t scared shitless right now of Biden’s presidential run? Are you blind or just trying to stay ignorant on purpose?
The fact that liberals would rather strawperson Arab and Muslim Americans and anyone else repulsed by the genocide than acknowledge the reality and try to stop it is hard to understand beyond it being based in racism and chauvinism. What group of people would vote for the person enabling their own genocide?
Edit: While Marxist-Leninists, i.e. Tankies, do exist in the US they never constituted a significant voting bloc that can sway elections, they always opposed the Democratic Party even before the genocide. Minorities such as Arab Americans -mostly Christian- and Muslim Americans do constitute a significant voting bloc that can sway elections and they used to be a consistent voter base for the Democratic Party in past elections.
The dismissive racism and genocide apologia by liberals is going to cost you Arab and Muslim Americans for more than one election cycle. I wish you had some self awareness and empathy to realize it.
Final Note: This is not meant to elicit debate and I don't need an explanation on how elections work in the US or why the US will support Israel no matter what it does regardless of who is president. I am just sharing another side of the story that seem to be purposefully ignored.
I cited agreeable news source and articles and yet this comment is getting downvoted. I guess liberals would rather invent a strawperson they can easily take down than acknowledge they are losing among minorities in swing states.
Just look at the number of voters considering third party candidates:
Let me change around your words and then shame you for the new position I created for you. Oh, and don't bother debating me, I'm only interested in the sound of my own voice
Look, Im trans. If he loses, Im the one getting genocided. Its perhaps a mirthless disposition, but I am absolutely willing to put off Palestine so I dont get shot, and probably so you dont get deported tol btw
I'm simply stating the facts as they are, it is not my fault that the Democratic Party lost Arab and Muslim American voters.
but I am absolutely willing to put off Palestine
How would this argument win over Arab and Muslim Americans? You are basically saying: "I don't care if you get genocided but you have to care about me". On the upside as the polls show, Trump is even more unpopular than Biden so you can't blame us if Trump wins, blame those who voted for him.
so I dont get shot
Arab and Muslim Americans are already getting shot. My personal recommendation is start exercising your 2nd amendment rights:
so you dont get deported
So be it but only if Darrell Issa is deported first
Isn't it liberals handing the election to Trump by pretending like Biden has a chance and refusing to push forward a new candidate? Oh wait I forgot Liberals are fascist we just haven't scratched them yet 🖕
Do you think Biden should drop out and be replaced by a Dem who could do better in the polls? I'm not pretending you have any power I'm sure someone as feckless as you doesn't. But you're the type to insist that he should stay in the race despite losing in the polls right?
Marxism and Fascism are sister ideologies that are similar in both theory and in practice. This moronic idea that Fascism is the polar opposite of Marxism is literally Soviet propaganda that they pushed after WWII to justify their tyranny, massacres, and censorship. Which is ironic because this what they accuse the Fascists of doing. It becomes more ironic that the Soviets and the Nazis were quite literally allies who signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact where they agreed to non aggression, greater cooperation, and to invade and divide countries together.
Marxists are Fascists are two sides of the same evil coin. Liberalism is the polar opposite to both of these shitty ideologies. You're not the good guys.
Congratulations you said the dumbest thing I've seen all day!
Are you going to ignore how Hitler first killed the Socialist have you ever heard that poem that has the line when they came for the Jews I said nothing for I was not a Jew and when they came for me there was no one else left go reread that poem and tell me who the first people they took where?
Hitler used to refer to socialism as Jewish bolshivism. Do you know the Nazis killed more Soviet soldiers than any other country soldiers and that Soviets killed more Nazis than any other country killed Nazis.
Both my grandfathers were American soldiers during World War II one of them went to prisoner of Work Camp in Nazi Germany do you want to know who Freedom the f****** Soviets.
Do you know what country marched on Berlin and ended Nazi Germany?
You're fucking ignorant. Horseshoe theory is propaganda the US came up with during the Cold War. Read a book
Yes... But they'll still blame the left... They know the only way to beat Trump is for the center and left to team up, but instead of actually trying to team up, they're just running their usual strongarm and gaslight routine to get the left to fall inline... Which has never worked for them the way it works for the right
Isn’t it liberals handing the election to Trump by pretending like Biden has a chance
Liberals refused to run a candidate against Biden during the primary and called anyone bold enough to step into the ring a Russian plant. Now Biden's sunk under 40% public approval, donors are backing out of the campaign, and the news media is turning on him like a pack of starved piranhas. And this is also because of those damned Russians undermining his campaign. The SCOTUS is greenlighting an endless catalog of future atrocities, while Trump revs up an ultra-nationalist partisan revolt, and that's thanks to Russia, too. Republicans are putting out all sorts of slimy ads on social media and their own right-wing networks, which are another example of Russian infiltration. And if Biden can't close the deal in November, because a state fucks up its counting before the SCOTUS shuts the recount down, you know that's going to be blamed on the Russians.
So, really, this isn't anything the liberals did. Its not even something the conservatives did. Everything bad happening in America right now is because of Russians. Also, the Chinese.
One thing that doesn’t make sense, as if there were only one, is how societal collapse will somehow lead to communism. If the US collapses as a state, it would lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions due to spontaneous shifts in politics, supply chains, global economies, defense pacts and industries. The Great Depression would be a hopeful outlook. Rarely do I have the chance to say that I sincerely don’t want to eat people to survive.
We're currently in harm reduction mode. We have been since the DNC picked Hilary over Bernie and then lost the election to Trump. We need to rally around the "not Trump" guy so we can keep Democracy going. Will it be rainbows and puppy dogs under Biden? No, it's going to be keeping the status quo and not losing an extra 2% of our population to another pandemic or worse under Trump.
doesn't address literally any of my comment lol. i cant conclude anything but you meant that reply for someone else. boy, you sure got egg on ur face L.M.A.O.
You literally just quoted a kvetch the fascists came up with to deflect accusations that they're fascists by appealing to centrist sensibilities about keeping debates open.
You of all people should frankly be fucking ashamed to be openly using Nazi rhetoric to try and defend the indefensible.
It’s always easier to be the hero of the story when you reject reality and substitute your own in its place. The only problem with this is that everyone else still lives in the reality you rejected.