Trudeau opposes allowing Russia to keep ‘an inch’ of Ukrainian territory

The United Kingdom, along with France, ceded Czechoslovakia's Sudetenland, not Poland, to Hitler's Germany; in fact, it was the Nazi regime's invasion of Poland the following year that prompted France and the United Kingdom to declare war.

It’s also essentially why NATO exists. I understand the “not involved in conflict” clause for applying but this seems like a special occasion where the conflict is coming from the whole reason the damn organization was created in the first place

getting 2/3 of anyone to agree on anything is hard enough when you're not dealing with 40 million people, all of whom have direct consequences of the outcome of the decision. you're gonna have a few deluded souls who've allowed themselves to think russia (lowercase intentional) is their ally, but you're also going to have people who think the best thing to do is ceasefire now and find a better path in the future. i'd estimate there's around one perpective on this war per ukrainian citizen, and so "should we retain our boundaries when this is over" is just one way of getting a cross sectional view of those perspectives

I assume the other 3rd are "Ukrainian" in the way that they've been places in Ukraine by Russ, but remain loyal to Russia, not Ukraine

War weariness is a thing.
I wouldn't be surprised if a non-insignificant number of that 1/3 that doesn't oppose Russia keeping some territory are just tired of the war and want it to be over.
3 years is a long time to live in a war torn country with frequent power outages and food shortages. People tend to disassociate when it doesn't affect them directly and if they happen to live on the Western side of Ukraine, losing territory on the Eastern border will have less of an effect on them than continued food and power shortages.

For one reason: because there are selfish people who only care about themselves and today, not others and not tomorrow.

Imagine being selfish, and just thinking that if the war ended now, your own quality of life will immediately improve, to hell with others whose homes are now Russian territory.

War is hell. They have made many sacrifices. There is some part of the population that would like for the war to end and defacto (not dejure) give up Crimea and donbass in return for NATO protection. Unfortunately that outcome is very much not possible unless they get more help from the west. Russia's current goal is annexation of all of Ukraine.

1/3 are probably working class people who are aware that their conditions under the ukrainian government or russian government will be the same and that war will only bring them more misery.

As one of those rich bipolar methlab brothers, save yourself while you can

You need protection from greedy politicians and the military industry sucking in public money and fueling wars.

The Kremlin would be thrilled to see you in this thread shitting on the US

Only works if your adversaries also cut military spending. Unfortunately countries like Russia have shown that they'll happily attack those unable to defend themselves. This also means that increased military spending can cause less war if it deters those who would otherwise attack.

Canada's expenditure as a % of gdp according to your own source is pretty weak already. Insisting on having no military spending is hardly a real argument. Also, Canada has a very real stake in ensuring russia doesn't succeed given those coveted waters you guys have along the northern territories.

Canada counter attacks via this banger. https://youtu.be/2gfve5QhWyI

nice Gilead reference. under his eye

Fuck ton of military bases in California and the other blue states.

+1...However, by 2028, the MAGATs will resort to violence on each other to settle their internal disputes.

Canada's health care sounds like what Finland's health care is supposed to be.

Instead our government is busy running it to the ground at terminal velocity.

You get paid that much PER MONTH? That’s 18,000 per year.

In the US, most people just get tax credits. They don’t come anywhere near $18k.

If you’re poor enough, you’ll qualify for WIC which is state dependent, generally $25 per month per kid under 4 years, ~$50 per month for the mom, and limited to certain food/child items.

Thank you for sharing.

On one hand, it’s disgusting that we don’t have a similar system. Yet at the same time, you’re the “proof” against such a system and the reason conservatives would never support it - that people won’t work anymore if we had this system. Neither of you have a full time job.

There has to be a better compromise.

We're annexing them through conservative news sources instead. It's slower, but quite effective.

Healthcare is also provincially managed

It's more to do with the aging population.

Zelensky has already said the war will end quicker under Trump, which means he's probably already had a chat with the new regime and is resigned to surrendering most of the land Russia have already taken.

And none of it will stop Russia regrouping and trying again in a few years.

Massive immigration is not why our healthcare systems are at breaking. In fact, they are critical in staffing an understaffed system.

Leading with it, and blaming it, is right into the narrative that is electing these right wing governments.

You fell for the propaganda :(

Not really, nobody did anything when Germany had broken the Munich agreement in 1939. It wasn't until well into the war that UK and France declared it null and void.

Congress of Vienna was the first time historically I have really read about nation states pearl clutch about "international laws" and "rules based international order", I might argue that it predates WW1 by about 100 years.

I just have to laugh every time I hear people pretend it means anything other than "powerful countries doing whatever they want".

Do you not understand what I'm saying? I'm saying Putin needs to fuck off

Someone posted an image of a squad of Ukrainian soldiers overlayed with their pre-war civilian jobs. They were all in tech, software engineers, data science, etc, etc.

If they have some special skills creating missile or drone software, or in cyber warfare — sure they can fight that way. But, it sounds like the front line needs reinforcements badly and these guys ought to at least step up for their country instead of hiding out abroad.

There are certainly tech focused positions in any modern military, but yeah, the front lines are probably not the best place for a software developer with probably no military training.

Trump is the president so it doesn't get more insane

https://lemmy.world/post/22552810