So many modern Boomer conservatives still cling to the mythology of the JFK era and the national labor movements that made America great in the wake of WW2. Reagan and Bush and Trump knew how to pander to these folks and to scapegoat minorities and immigrants as the cause of the country's decline.
Vance doesn't have any of that. He's entirely a product of the 21st century without any roots to speak of. He hates his mom for needing oxy to get through the day. He hates his home town for failing to pull itself up by its own bootstraps, like the armies of government contractors at Yale and Langley and Silicon Valley. And he hates poor white people for not embodying the mystical traits of superhuman races in his favorite pulp fantasy novels. All of that is naked on his face when he tries to talk to anyone over 30.
He's not like us. He spends too much time on the computer and now he's a fucking weirdo.
the national labor movements that made America great in the wake of WW2
Ah yes, the wake of WWII. When America was on top and producing everything, because all of our competitors had the ever-loving shit bombed out of them. Also they needed to buy stuff too.
They all do. I don’t see any different outcome if it was DeathSantis or Vivek or Token Tim Scott instead of JD.
These all people have one thing common among them - they all lack backbones and have absolutely no convictions beyond enriching themselves. Not one of them have even an appearance of a coherent policy that works for / is in best interest of anyone but themselves
On July 31, Trump dismissed suggestions that JD Vance was a bad choice, telling the National Association of Black Journalists that vice presidential picks have "virtually no impact" on elections.
Then why are Republicans bothering to attack Tim Walz?
To play devil's advocate in defense of the Vance pick, I don't think Trump needs any assistance in courting boomers. He's managed to appeal to the generation's racist tendencies and "I got mine" attitudes to great success. Vance is to try and attract the young dudebro vote with a discount Andrew Tate. So far he seems like the incel messiah, so maybe it's even working, but obv in all normal circles being such a giant incel is weird af.
Yeah, but did Trump really need any help locking up that vote? It's not like they were going to flock over to Democrats anytime soon. He's just doubling down on demographics that were already going for him anyways. He needed a stable Pence figure that could convince "on the fence" voters that there was still going to be an adult in the room, or just somebody who is anti-Israel or supports Palestine, that probably would've caused the most chaos among Democrats. They'd disagree on everything else, but hey, this person is against genocide in Israel, let's vote for them.
I think the only anti-Israel person Trump would be able to get would be a literal Nazi, so I don't know if that would have changed anything.
I do think that there's a lot of apathy among the incel crowd though. Yeah they might support Trump as a strong man, but that doesn't mean they're willing to expend the energy to go outside and vote for him. I think the idea is that Vance is uh, energizing? that movement with all of his incredibly pro-natal talk. Vance feels pretty close to saying he wants women to just be breeding stock, and that's something incels would vote for.
I can't really play devil's advocate beyond that, it feels too yucky trying to rationalize it. For all we know he was just the name Trump thought of on the day.
I know the term is involuntary celibate, but the "movement" has kinda moved onto any men who believe that a woman is obligated to fuck them. That crowd has picked up on a heavy pro-natal message, and Vance's disparaging comments about women who don't have kids plays well there. He might have had sex, but he's trying to offer those losers a world where they're on top of the power structure.
That was more a thing of the Boomers parent's, the Greatest Generation. At least in the PNW of the US. Fads happened in waves before the internet, so YMMV.
I never quite understood what those were for...I remember people mocking boomers that still did that (because it was something the generation before mostly did?) but was it to preserve the couches?
It was to preserve the couches. And TBF they did work for that, but they raised the question of why the fuck did you pay for expensive furniture that you never used, and why did you devote a whole room in your house to that shit? The answer is it was for "company", i.e. visitors you didn't like and couldn't wait for them to leave.
Oh that's not an issue. He's got his name on the one hand and the info to not poop his pants on the other. He confuses the hands sometimes, but for that he's wearing diapers. JD cries though, when the old man calls him sir poopy pants.
I saw a Trump/Vance sign the other day that had started as a Trump/Pence sign originally, and they just changed the first two letters of the VP's name - the different color of those two letters made it clear.
It made me wonder if Trump picked Vance because his name was so similar to Pence.
Bleh. I have no idea what happened to some Gen Xers (and honestly I have the same question about some boomers, and have had these questions since the 80s, really), but I guess it proves the point that generations are not really a "thing" as much as marketers would like them to be.
Probably because at least some boomers were educated enough (in their schools as well as hearing it straight from their parents) about the dangers of fascism.
The survey comprised 1,001 adults, out of a total population of about 330 million in the US. I’d think it very likely that many demographic groups weren’t accurately represented in that 1,001.
My guess is that it is ignorance and some of the same ignorant people look at the age of someone and think a younger person will somehow represent younger people better in some undefined way.
I've heard the low-wattage types (we probably all have) that looked at Biden and donnie and wrote them off as more or less the same because they are both "old white guys". So they either didn't vote, or voted third party....I bet these same types see Vance and think he is somehow a good choice for younger voters...