This is the propaganda I can get behind.
And with trolleybuses powered on a renewable grid, it's zero gallons!
Or maybe tell bosses that if your job can be done remotely it should be done remotely. Then there's more room on the bus for people who need to be in meatspace to do their jobs.
Yeah, tell it my boss. I had this conversation today with her.
I wish I didn't need hands for my job, 90% of it is brain work with a tinker here and there. I see so many videos of robotic hands being used for things and can't wait for the day I can just send one of these out to a site equipped with some tools and just remotely tap into the video stream. It's coming and I don't think it will be too long. Hell, I'm just a layman and if you gave me a dedicated year and some funding I could get something viable up to par so I'm sure it's possible, guess it just won't profit anyone enough to sell it yet.
We used to have trolleybuses when I was a kid in the 70's, they were so insanely much more nice to ride than a diesel. No bad smell, and they were smooth and quiet.
I guess we will get back to something similar soon, but with batteries.
While I agree with the comparison in the post, the trolleybus powered by renewable energy shouldn't be compared to gas cars.
It should be compared to electric cars powered by renewable energy.
I disagree, the bus is still replacing the purpose of the gas cars. The bus should just be compared to both gas and electric cars.
It is easier and cheaper to make one larger electric vehicle than 68 smaller ones, and they would damage the road less too. Of course this kind of comparison between two different things is inherently very difficult to do fairly
Nope, a car electric or not creates multiple issues like urbanism, pollution (i.e: noise, visual, microplastics), hotspots, hostiles environment like parking lots, increase deaths rates, consequences on flooding, etc.
A lot of them can be solved with public transportation.
How are buses still not better? The ratio of individual people being moved to total mass being moved is better. The maintenance and insurance fees are collective. The driver of the bus is a trained professional vs some rando commuter.
Trolleybuses are great. Fuck Sobyanin.
New electric buses in London are fucking amazing, no need for trolleys.
Until in 5-10 years when the batteries are fucked.
That's the beautiful thing about trolley buses - they do not need a (substantial) battery. They are basically trains on wheels.
There are some places where battery powered buses make sense - for example, where I live, lucerne Switzerland, there is one bus line that just goes up and down a rather steep hill. By using recuperative braking, the battery powered bus is super efficient. For other, normal 'high traffic' lines, trolley makes so much more sense
VPN uses 0 gallons.
Acktually, to use a VPN, you would need to turn on your PC or phone, which uses a small but existent amount of petrol -🤓
68 men plus the driver makes 69, amirite?
And it takes them all at the same time?? 😳
Ah, you should see buses in my city. Dirty, thirty years old, overpopulated graves on wheels with no air conditioners.
Never again.
with no air conditioners.
Dear Faust. Are they using Soviet minibuses?
Ha! I have nothing but good memories about PAZ-3205. Fast, comfortable, with working AC.
LIAZ-677, on the other hand... now that's a proper torture machine
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/LiAZ-677_bus_in_Bor.jpg
Thirty years old is a perfectly reasonable age for a big chunk of a city's fleet. You're still talking kneeling busses.
Then start campaigning for better public infrastructure.
Recently visited York (UK) and they have a fantastic bus system - and they're electric.
Busses in my city are also going electric. So far only the local routes. The longer distance routes are still diesel
But everybody loves cars! Just look at how many cars people buy all the time!
/s
I could take 68 men. That's a normal Saturday night for me.
...in a fight right?
Uuuhhhh....
Can't take any more, because at 69 you'll blow a rod.
And not in a good way either...
But that'll take away people's freedom to pay a subscription for heated seats 😔
Despite having the tube and double-decker busses, London is the most traffic congested city in the world.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-10/these-are-the-world-s-most-congested-cities
Imagine how bad it would be without the tube and busses! All these people trying to drive in London? Just thinking about it I shudder and I've never even seen London.
Good job they have them, in that case!
According to a study conducted in 1000 cities in 50 countries based on data from connected vehicles and phones. Not disagreeing with the premise but I expect there are plenty of other more "congested" cities, visit Manila or Jakarta for example. The UK should however definitely do more to fund its public infrastructure.
London has one of the best transport system in the country.
Manila is hell
Not all sources agree on that. Also, I can think of a way or two to eliminate all traffic congestion.
I was in London for a few days last year and it was pretty fine
At least in my experience most of the traffic is people trying to go into London from commuter towns, and they'll take the motorways not the streets
Gallons? Shouldn't it be liters?
Shamelessly stolen from I can't remember.
Actually, as much as I dislike imperial units, when it comes to body temperature I do think in Fahrenheit. Mostly because that's how my mum would tell if we were too sick to go to school. 99 - just a little ill, but you can have the day off. 100 - pretty ill, probably at least 3 days off. 101+ - super mega ill, off all week.
It's Bri'ish, innit
No, litres.
Reminds me article name from USSR newspaper about plane crash: "Gallons let down"/"Подвели галлоны".
It's not a modern poster
It's not a modern idea either
It would be nowadays, but this is an old old advert.
It makes a good point but only if your country actually has public transport.
If you live somewhere with zero public transport, the car is your only option.
You make a good point but only if your country actually has roads.
If you live somewhere with no paved roads and only railroads, then that and walking are your only options.
(Sarcasm but I’m curious if you see the point)
You make a good point but only if your country has people.
If you live somewhere with no people and only animals, then you can't get anywhere and must traverse the jungle with a machete and a canteen full of either rainwater or your own piss.
😊
If you live somewhere, you're a part of the body that decides things like that. If you want public transit in your community, and you certainly should, take the steps to get the action started.
Nobody is going to change the world on our behalf; it all falls on us.
That's why the post advocates for public transport. So that we can have better options.
but this isn't new technology where you can write a 100 bullshit news article about and prais it as the next big thing because it actually works and is efficient
The correct answer actually should -and could- be 0 gallons if they simply cycle to work. Granted, that requires them to have the right infrastructure available, but if (once) that existed, the vast majority of the work force could cycle to work happily. Most people don't live 20 miles or more from where they work
It could also be 0 gallons if the busses are electrified, or if the rail system is expanded, or if we stop pushing office workers to commute every day.
There are many routes to 0 emissions.
Oh sure.
I'm just sayjt that we need to change the way we live. Like you said, people should not be required to work in offices anymore. If they physically need to be at locations, let them walk for short distances, cycle for medium distances and use public transportation for large distances.
Most cities in the world have been redesigned over the past 80 years for cars. It's insane and it left most cities awful places to live in. Almost all Dutch cities have been redesigned for people. So people walk and cycle because they can, and the cities look and feel amazing and beautiful.
Sure, I'd love to cycle 56km to and from work each day. Especially right after a night shift.
We should just invent portals already.
How many gallons does the ambulance take to get the cyclist to the hospital after the hit and run?
(Seriously tho bicycles ftw except in winter)
Winter cycling is awesome*, I can finally get to work without being sweety.
*Winter experience is highly dependent on how well your area does SNIC
Less, probably, because cycling in on itself is safer than driving a car. Lower speeds, less mass, less injuries.
Also, winter cycling.is awesome
We need to get one more man to work
Won't work in the US. We all hate each other.
British people all hate English people. Even the English.
damn english people, they ruined england
So the very first result on Google for "double decker fuel efficiency" give the result "per gallon, while a 'double-decker' bus with a Diesel engine will run 11 miles per gallon".
44 / 5 days is approx 9 miles poet day. 4.5 miles to and 4.5 miles back.
I didn't want to believe this but I guess city dwellers where double deckers operate would probably have short commutes like this on average
And six times as long as best.
Exactly!
70mins of walking/train/walking... Or 25mins door to door in the comfort of my car.
Let me guess, you're a 'murican?
Nice assumption you wrongly made.
That's great when all those people live in the same block and go to work at the same company and have the same hours.
But Frank lives 10 miles away and works on the other side of town. And Tim lives 3 towns over and works the night shift. Bill lives in the country and works 40 miles away. Eddy lost a leg in the war and while he is only 1/2 mile from the bus station, can't walk that far with his disability.
When it is convenient, it is convenient, but there's a reason why when given the choice, most normal people will drive their car instead no matter what the nonsense in this subs likes to pretend is real.
Don't forget Susan, whose base wages are so low that she has to work overtime to make ends meet. But the bus doesn't run that late, so 2/3 of her overtime goes to an uber, whose driver also can't feed her children.
can't walk that far with his disability.
Neither he can drive. Or in some countries even not allowed to.
while he is only 1/2 mile from the bus station
- This is seriously fucked.
- Powered wheelchair.
The post is a meme about how buses are a better option than cars because they can transport more people at once using amount of gas less than what would be done on a 1:1 basis.
I feel like you’ve not ridden a bus before though - you didn’t mention schedules or routes once which solve the majority of your claimed points.
The disabled persons perspective is an interesting point, but shuttle services for the disabled would be even easier to run, as they would require vans instead of buses. Also, choosing to live in the country side away from bus routes when you can’t fucking walking is not the fault of the bus haha
Spoken like a true clueless 'murican. What the fuck do you think bus lines are?
Maybe your public transport infrastructure needs improvement? I don't think this post wants to judge you— it's advocating for public transport to be paid more attention. My cousin lives 3 towns away from her workplace— she commutes with a bus or jeepney. We have either buses, vans, or jeepneys; combined they operate 24/7. Hell, my university has students more than 5 municipalities away, the buses start operations early in the morning. Our classes start at 6:30 AM. Oh and btw, our buses have routes more than 300km. Maybe even more. Regarding Eddy, we have something in my country called a motorela or a tricycle, that operates locally in neighbourhoods. He won't have to walk far, he just has to wait for one and let it deliver him to a waiting area.
Nobody is arguing it isn't efficient. It's a pain in the ass and I need to deal with randoms in public.
This isn't intended to refute people saying it isn't?
What do I do when there's no bus route anywhere near my work? I cycle when it's weather appropriate but I ain't cycling to work in 20°C heatwave.
You're quite picky. Appropriate for a 1st Worlder, I might say.
You need about 7 cars displaced per bus at all times in order for it to be more efficient in gas.
I would rather have a world full of velomobiles than buses.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_efficiency_in_transport#US_Passenger_transportation
Is that still true for modern hybrid buses?
Edit - also surely mean you need to average 7 people as when it's full it'll be a little over 12 times as efficient as when there's 7 people. So it could run for 10 minutes full then about 2 hours completely empty and it would balance.
Only 7? That's about 10% of rated capacity or 6% of sardines-in-can capacity. And that is for single-section bus.
I don't know how it is in other places/countries but in Paris (inside and in the ≈ 15km area) , clearly, there is always at least 10 passenger in the same bus, I would say 25 average and at the peak hour an easy 50. So I think buses are still an energy efficient transport, at least in some places.
This assumes all of them live right next to each other though
they only need to live within walking distance from any bus stop along the line. the difference averages out to something around that ballpark
Is the idea of 68 people living within a few blocks of a bus line hard to believe? You know they don't all get on on from the same stop, right?
Yeah, but buses generally suck. Give me actual rail, thanks.
The DC Metro was amazing.
They don’t have to suck though.
They pretty much do have to suck. They arrive infrequently, stop frequently, accelerate like an overloaded lorry, and are only remotely feasible if your start and end points are on the same route. Switching buses is a huge time penalty. They only approach usability in urban hellscapes that are so densely populated, it makes my skin crawl.
Yet they keep putting them in small cities and towns where they take 3x as long to get anywhere as driving because of indirect routing, while causing traffic congestion because of frequent stops and low performance. Seriously, fuck buses.
London buses definitely don't suck. You can't lay light rail everywhere and buses are great at bridging that gap.
People people. We need to solve the problem of cars by building bigger cars!
Yeah man if you solution doesn’t completely solve the problem, fuck it! Throw it away it must be entirely useless right. No merit. And plus we have all the time in the world to wait until we have a perfect solution right? Duh!
/s
With the exclamation mark, it's obvious to me that this is sarcasm. However Lemmings seem to take anything not marked with /s seriously or interpret things in the most negative way to the degree that I'm starting to question myself.
This is sarcasm right?
No that's not it. They need to be smaller
Well if they get smaller we’ll need more of em!
but how many gallons does it take without hating to your life?
see answer 1
if you don't think 68 people trying to drive 68 cars on the same route is going to cause congestion on the roads, and thus "halting", where do you think traffic jams come from?
'murican behaving as a 'murican, as usual. Just live in a civilized country, friend.
I live in Finland and drive an EV, good attempt. My reply was just a joke 🤦♂️
We'll here in my city it not cuts congestion it MAKES congestion
a bus makes more traffic congestion than people travelling in separate cars? how?
I dont know how are bus in your country but here they are really bigs and not rarely they drive 2/3 together what makes the traffic slowly and by read traffic light everything stops not only in the direction from the read traffic lights but in all directions because the bus blocks everything. If the all people in the bus drives a car the traffic would be more fluid. I accept the bus makes less pollution but not better traffic. When im a little late for work and i see a bus its done ..... at least 15m stoped in the trafic is guaranteed
Nice. I have to travel like 17 miles to the nearest bus station. This fixes everything! /s
Better off with my own vehicle when it's only like 8 miles to work. I'd be literally wasting 9 miles to the bus station and 9 miles back in my own vehicle to even get back and forth to the bus station.
Edit: Seriously, have any of you tried traveling 17 miles to the west, only to catch a bus going 25 miles to the east, passing your own town to get to work? Then going 25 miles back, only to have to drive your own vehicle back home, because the bus don't stop there?
Better off just taking my own vehicle to work.
Infrastructure and non transit orieted developmental problem. the place you live was likely built with only the car in mind.
The area I live in actually used to have its own bus station within walking distance from my place. Until 2009 when they totally shut it down, for basically no good reason.
They nickname our town Ghost Town ever since then. We're even a bicycle friendly community, but not a single bicycle shop in town anymore either. Ever since 2011 we bicyclists gotta travel at least 8 miles to get tires and tubes.
And never mind the rampant spread of bedbugs and disease, being exposed to violence and sexual assault, risking being arrested simply for angering the bus driver, being made late to work or even missing it entirely because of bus breakdowns, route changes or cancellations, or any number of problems that are more easily rectified with an electric car or a bike
Yeah man because these are all inherent issues and not at all to do with the implementation
Yes, they are inherent issues. You can't control who goes on that bus and therefore can't guarantee the safety of passengers. You can't control whether buses break down or if the routes will change or not, so you can't guarantee riders will get to work on time, if at all. And in many cities, bus service is so poor that jobs will not hire people who ride the bus for those reasons.
You also can't stop people from spreading bedbugs and disease, and we all saw how well you reacted to that during covid.
Accept that you're just wrong on this. No matter how much you want buses to be a viable solution, they just aren't.
Normal people don't live in your strawman world of mental conjurations. Civilized countries already have great public transportation infrastructure working for hundreds of years.
