This is not a good look for brave.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/mozilla-boss-brendan-eich-quits-in-row-over-his-opposition-to-gay-marriage-9237701.html

(...) anger over his $1,000 (£600) donation in 2008 to support Californian anti-gay marriage laws bubbled over when he was appointed chief executive.

Tor Browser is available on iOS :) should be able to hide mostly everything lol

I've been using thorium as my secondary browser and it's been very good. That's the one I recommend.

Fedora works for me, thanks for the pointer

Use Ungoogled Chromium instead

True. It's also there when you look for chrome and other browsers. (Except Vivaldi and opera which have also bought ad space) That's how buying ads works. Fucked up, but nothing new, unfortunately.

Yeah, probably. This morning when I searched for Firefox, I did get a brave ad, as you and others have said. Altho there was nothing anti-firefox in their ad. Now when I search for Firefox I actually get a Firefox ad.

Yeah, it tries to use the keyring to store passwords every time you launch it even if you turned off password saving, the same applies to chrome and chromium browsers in general plus most password managers, tho not always. I tried to troubleshoot it, most forums online suggested to remove gnome key-rings if you are not using them but it kept reinstalling it. This plus brave being slower on mobile made me switch to firefox

Sure, I just found it too annoying and the easiest solution was to uninstall Brave.

I did that. Brave is like 19th on the results list and there's no "forget the fox" in the app name.

It's at 666 for me.

The same apps that have access to more of your data (because they're not sandboxed in a browser), use electron (ships a browser) and include trackers that one can't simply block with an extension?

Only reason I use it is because it’s seemingly the only browser on iOS that blocks YouTube ads, and allows for background play without paying for Premium.

If anyone knows how to do the same via Firefox (iOS), I’m all ears!

Honestly, I'm fine with Google being the default search engine (since they pay a lot for the priviledge and it's trivial to remove). What I acrually have a problem with is Firefox using Google Firebase for analytics and Google whatever for "safe search" queries, etc. These are a lot more hidden, which I find borderline malicious. With the search engine you at least get the notification of "fuck I'm on Google" whenever you search for something, so it doesn't do all that much harm since it's very opaque, unlike having to refer people to ffprofiles to purge google completely.

On that note - if you want to get rid of Google from Firefox as much as possible visit ffprofiles. It has it all nicely explained. You just tick some boxes and apply the profile as per the ~5-step instructions. You'll be done in less than 20 minutes.

Make it

Contains a way to earn some kind of currency

So the browser itself is like an ad

If there is a product that offers you to earn money, it's value is decreasing.

Are Firefox's UX choices bad, or do you just want it to be another copy of Chrome and refuse to learn something new?

The fact that Firefox on Android actually supports extensions is more than enough reason for me to choose it over a chromium version.

I dabble in web development.

I use ungoogled chromium for that. LibreWolf for most other things.

Cromite. Every time you use Brave you help promote their right-wing CEO known for donating money to ban gay marriage.

I feel you. I use Firefox on Android (technically Mull), and it's generally pretty good. It does seem like some sites don't work properly on mobile Firefox that work fine on desktop, but I haven't looked into why (and I'm guessing it's those missing features you're talking about).

Vivaldi is working nice as my Chrome stand-in.

Personally I really want to use one browser across all my systems so I can get tab and bookmark syncing. But Firefox is just so bad on both Android and iPad OS.

On my phone, I try and do the "framed" daily game. You start typing your guess and it pops up autocomplete suggestions. Except if I'm on Android on my phone, where I start typing and nothing happens. Even the letter I typed doesn't appear in the text box. The browser just completely freezes. On every other browser I've tried, including Firefox on desktop, it works perfectly. It also seems to have worse touch targets than other browsers. If I go to a poorly-mobile-optimised site in other browsers on Android, such as Lemmy's web UI, somehow other browsers are just really good at knowing what I was trying to click on. I can quite easily tap a small button or link that's near other buttons or links, and I manage to get the right one. In Firefox that doesn't happen. Much more often if I try that, the wrong link gets clicked, and I have to go back and pinch to zoom before carefully clicking what I wanted.

The iPad OS experience is not as fundamentally broken as that, but is instead just…clumsy. On some sites I'll scroll and elements of the page will move about or images will resize, in ways they don't on other browsers. More than once it has caused me to click something I didn't intend because it moved into the place that what I wanted was previously.

I really want to like Firefox. On desktop it's a particularly good experience, being able to install real extensions without Chrome's restrictions, while not shoving AI slop down your throat like Edge does these days. But it's just so very hard to fully commit when the experience on my phone is so poor.

No elaboration on that ?

Not at all. I never wanted to see AI and it kept turning itself back on this was just the final push for me to uninstall it.

I'm guessing it's more about the clear bias on display, wherein certain topics are suppressed

Incorrect, he was CEO in 2014

WTF‽ Were they trying to frame Mozilla as anti-LGBT?

Well, actually it should be:

-❌️ Limited or no terrifying and intimidating uniforms

Firefox does block trackers by default, but apparently that's "limited protection", according to who the fuck knows, so it gets the ❌.

on Fx*

Firefox started blocking YouTube ads without plugins?

You can also set it to

Grandma isn't going to go into security settings. I really with FF would just make it the default on install.

Everything in that list can easily be made the same, but they're not the same without some basic knowledge of wanting it.

if they finally decide to turn full evil.

Yeah this is the brave experience. Free and open source product that behaves as advertised... from a company that acts like they're perpetually on the brink of fucking you over. Really hope this doesn't happen, brave's approach to antifingerprinting is actually quite interesting and completely different to what we see in the firefox-based hardened browsers.

Confirmed. They definitely paid to advertise under "Firefox" searches.

Confirmed

I got the same result, searching for Firefox on Play store

It appeared for me as well. As the second result, under "Limited-time events", first result was Firefox. What followed below in the "More results" were the rest of the Firefox variants.

This is after searching Firefox on the Apple App Store, same as searching for brave.

Probably not, but it's free marketing. Some will get it. Some will think about it. Next time they see Firefox, some will add two and two together. The rest will be lost.

Right on!

I’ve never heard of Arkenfox userjs. Thank you for that.

Why not?

Librewolf stopped showing my bookmarks bar randomly and never came back no matter what I tried... Switched to waterfox after a while of dealing with no bar.

Sadly. It is still in beta though, so it's still possible for a mobile version in the future. There's a few discussions on the github asking about mobile support (no responses).

Like I said, I’ve rarely used it. It’s a niche need, but Brave was the only app that did it when I wanted it.

Carplay is an apple thing, so they should be speaking about some ios limitation

As of the last time I looked into it, there were no video players that worked natively in CarPlay. If you long press on a video in Brave, you can add it to your “Brave Playlist.” If you set the playlist to download locally, you can play it in the Brave app in CarPlay.

I tried a fair few browsers for android. Iceraven, Fulguris, Fennec, and Mull. I settled on Fulguris, because it was no frills with custom adblock lists and a good built in darkmode.

However, Fulguris became a headache because any app that required a browser portal login wouldn't recognize it.

So I moved to Mull. Then Mull dropped the project. Mull, Iceraven, and Fennec are basically the same idea as Firefox derivatives.

I use a free, massive coverage, open source icon pack called Delta and between Iceraven and Fennec I liked the Fennec icon more.

The main problem is the telemetry and targeted advertising.

However, it also could have a bit better defaults from a fingerprinting resistance perspective.