Judging by all the downvotes, you'd think they'd get the hint lol

Perspective is a hell of a drug. Once you do it you can never go back.

I know conservatives that are alright. But they drank the koolaid...

I think a lot of them need an antidote more than exile. But it's hard to find it for them..

They could be allies still.

For an hour today I had to listen to a conservative talk radio host keep repeating that if anyone in Europe said there were only 2 genders that the "stormtroopers" would be knocking on their door the next day. Over and over again trying to drill it into people's heads that this happens somewhere. It only happens in their fantasies, the fantasies they are trying to normalize because they want people to think it is normal when they start knocking on peoples doors for having any freedom of speech or expression. (And then I remembered that Desantis ordered just this when people signed a petition to get something voted on)

Fucking exhausting listening to the wack shit they say.

Yeah, that does seem to be the tenor of it.

It might make me a terrible person, but I hate Trump more for how stupid everything he does is than how evil it is. Every step of the war he hurts us, econimically, diplomatically, bureaucratically. Even if he doesn't try an ethnic cleansing and self-coup, the damage he has done to democratic institutions, professional government and our place in the world is something none of us will live to see America recover from.

Fellow Reddit refugee here who saw a very similar (possibly the same) post. Opened my eyes to the fediverse and I'm happy I made the jump.

Yeah, i was pleasantly surprised how much better regulated conversations are here. Less vitriol and more tempered opinions and outlook, there is still emotional shouting but not nearly as much. Really like it.

I too tried Voat way back in the day, part of a small Reddit exodus when they were removing Snowden articles in worldnews without explanation (back when the user base of Reddit still cared about moderator transparency), and I learnt quickly that if a platform advertises itself as "censorship free" or something along those lines, what they really mean is "we thrive on hate speech here."

And after a few more years of checking out Reddit alternatives, I started to realise that basically all of them were "censorship free" and tailor made for trolls and bigots from banned Reddit communities like fatpeoplehate and jailbait.

By the time I heard about Lemmy, even though I didn't get the impression that it was just another Voat, I was also kinda disillusioned about ever finding a good Reddit alternative at that point. So I didn't bother trying.

And it has been a very pleasant surprise to find out how left wing it is here. That reputation is actually what made me try Bluesky before coming here and if I had known, I would've come here sooner. Finally an alternative that isn't just r/conservative - the website. And not just that, a platform that isn't full of 'centrists' that spend more time worrying about making sure the left wingers don't swear too much, then worrying about the right wingers taking people's rights away.

Fuuuuuuuck, that's a site I haven't thought of in a long time.

I kinda want them here so they can be exposed to leftist ideas and become thigh-high wearing, Linux using furries.

But that's probably just me huffing hopium

Depends. Do you believe in freedom of speech and freedom of opinion? Do you want the Fediverse to be an open, decentralized protocol?

Better to have their bs called out with sources I suppose

You can block them (:

It's like a zoo exhibit

Are you really so unsure of your beliefs that you don't welcome scrutiny? Toughen up, my friend.

Well, yes, in that it's an inherent part of the fediverse. Instances can curate what they host, but even if .world and .ee removed their communities, they'd just move onto the next instance until they find one that will tolerate them.

You can block communities, though, luckily.

I'd defederate, don't want that content on my instance. And my users don't, either.

Truth social is hurting for members.

Totally agree with you in relation to groupthink and it's the main reason I have them disabled too. I don't like my opinion of a comment to be influenced by others before I've even finished reading it.

I like that lemmy lets you see the upvotes and downvotes separately rather than just an aggregate like Reddit has. It's hard to tell when you see something has 1 or zero votes what people generally think but it might turn out that you have 100 upvotes and 100 downvotes and it just happens to add up to zero but you hit on something that's actually deeply controversial. That info is nice to have.

The keyword is viewpoint. The inherent problem with conservatism across the globe, but obviously in the US, is the "viewpoint" is anti-science, anti-common-sense, and at worst disconnected from their policies.

I think there's a place on social media for people who believe tariffs could, over time and at great expense, bring manufacturing home and that some viewpoints want that. That's a viewpoint to debate. I do not think there's a place for people to deny climate change, there is no debate to be had there.

I think there's a place for people who want to discuss immigration policies and how best to balance the need for immigrants, the want for immigrants, the assimilation of immigrants, and the quantity/quality of immigrants. There's system design to be had there. I do not think there's a place for hate speech and dehumanization of immigrants as if they're bad people (or when they're used as political weapons like "caravans" in the US or "Sharia law").

It doesn't matter if conservatives agree with fixing healthcare or being against the rich, their politicians are only interested in using those as talking points because their allegiance is to their biggest donors which is big healthcare and the rich.

Conservatives across the globe, from everything I've seen in my admittedly short lifetime, are either anti-science/progress, pro-hate and emotionbaiting, or obvious liars.

In the US there is no Republican AOC or Bernie Sanders at the national level - who obviously and vocally are fighting for the workers. In Germany (where I am now) it's the conservative AFD party that is a neo-nazi party and it's the conservative CDU party that flirts with giving them partial power just to maintain their own power. Side tangent, it's the libertarian (read conservative-lite) FD party that sabotaged the left leaning coalition just last year.

The people that flirt with destruction and societal regression are the conservatives, so it's important that if they are allowed on any platform that their viewpoints are moderated. At least until they can stop flirting with fascism and lethal policies like remigration.

Sorry, I meant they are not imposing here, on Lemmy. They are a minilority that often gets downvoted.

Also I try to not look at the US. It's always extreme, like watching a bad reality show.

Also known as aspiring nahtCs

Old conservatism was defending the monarchy.

The whole "advocating for individual choice and less government intervention" thing was always a lie that they told to dupe rubes into thinking their ideology wasn't elitist and abhorrent.

Actual conservatism is healthy and useful. I want part of my government to look at what laws and policies are being pushed and say, "should we be doing this?", "Should it cost that much?", "Do we have something that does this already?".

Unfortunately, the label has been co-opted, and it no longer strives to create the smallest effective government, but the largest totalitarian government instead.

The constantly repeated echo chamber argument is honestly kinda just nonsense. To conservatives, anything outside of their echo chamber is one big echo chamber because it disagrees with them.

Obviously, if all you ever do is go online and talk to Marxist groups or something, that's one thing. But really, all you need to do is be exposed to people from different backgrounds as you to break up any echo chamber effect. That's why so many kids become more progressive in college - it's often the first time they get out of the echo chamber of their hometown and are exposed to kids who don't look like them and grew up under different circumstances. If you're on Lemmy, odds are pretty good that you're exposed to minorities and other people with different backgrounds than yours. Places like Lemmy are full of people from all over the world and from all walks of life with all kinds of different views. You don't need to go out of your way to expose yourself to conservatives like you're building up a tolerance for poison or something. You can get that just by checking the news or Twitter.

More concerning than the guys doing nazi salutes and calling trans people groomers?

Forgive me if I like having one social media where most users are sane

because I refuse to parrot the hivemind nonsense 24/7

This sentence is the reason you get downvoted, but it's not the reason you think.

It’s extremely concerning behavior.

So are mass deportations, Nazis performing Nazi salutes at presidential inaugurations, and Congressmen floating 3 term amendments to the Constitution.

I'd probably be a lot more open to other points of view if they weren't presented by fascists and fascist enablers (also fascists).

Please point to the down voted "moderate" comments.

Even in their own sub conservatives get downvoted into oblivion

Maybe it's because their arguments are fucking trash and childlike and there's not enough bots on Lemmy to land them on the upvoted side of things, even in their own sub.

I don't struggle too hard to empathize with Nazis that have to rent off Liberal spaces.

That's true until you hit advanced IT like Networking, Cyber Security and Systems careers. I'm progressive but most of the older dudes I work with are Def far right Trump supporters. We get paid significantly more as well so you know how money and conservatism goes.

From my experience, people with computer knowledge are usually more progressive

Let me tell you about a time long ago, when it was harder to get on the internet and no one had smartphones and the internet was populated by users who were a whole lot more intelligent and reasonable than what we see today.

I was there. I can verify that the abnormal insanity we see in our politics today began around the same time everyone started walking around with the internet in their hands.

I think that's ExplodingHeads, they shutdown, now HilariousChaos is the newer friendlier ExplodingHeads even though they won't admit it

Yeah if you welcome them in you run into them radicalizing normies. The alt right playbook is an extremely useful primer on modern right wing rhetoric even today

Great point but I don't know if we should keep that hard and fast rule. Please discuss with me but I think intolerance might have to only be chided and not outright rejected in order for change to occur. You don't invite a Nazi into your house and pretend genocide is okay but if you're trying to change them you can't kick them out when they express insane views or we're back to square one because they will say unacceptable shit. Don't tolerate it but don't exorcise them from your space unless you're doing it for yourself right?

Was that voat? That one was initially promising, then almost immediately went to shit as all the worst people from reddit went there.

That's quite the modest proposal there. The real question, and this determines whether I think you are truly a good person, or the wretched scum who believe what I don't, is are you pre or a post-birther?

A little oxidation of the meat is what give the perfect texture to the meat, I think. Anyone who says otherwise is just saying they're refined, while drinking iced tea with their pinky finger extended.

People have been doing that for millennia

I think you guys need to define what is the species of the "juveniles" in question

Eggs are delicious.

I never said anything about the other perspective being valid. However, without the exposure to other perspectives you may not be able to realize if one is wrong or right.

Left = introvert altruism. Right = extravert egoism.

Do you really perceive there to be nothing in between 'leftism' and Nazi? That extremes are all that exist? That the only people who aren't a fan of one kind of echo chamber are those who want it to be a different kind of echo chamber?