Trump to lift pause on 2,000-pound bomb supply to Israel, Walla News reports

Do you realize that this kind of statement spits on solidarity with anyone but cynical centrists?

I don't know if you actually understand how much you isolate yourself.

Do you think this is going to make conservatives like you who hate palestinians?

Do you think this is going to make people more progressive in their politics than you like you?

Perhaps you believe you are the voice of some less vocal silent majority and those people will find solace in your words? (where I don't know)

For awhile maybe they will but you are on a quickly disappearing sandbar...

Honey, the thing is when you scream into the void like this with nothing but acidic cynicism, people begin to back away in disgust.

Getting that Final Solution to the Palestinian genocide.

It did totally and completely under his watch. Gaza was holocausted under the Presidency of 1 Joseph Robbinette Biden Jr. Aka Genocide Joe.

He gave them over 14,000 (FOURTEEN THOUSAND) 2000lb bombs that they used to flatten Gaza. There are ample pictures. Go look. Go look at the bad GENOCIDE JOE did to the Gazans in the name of America.

Or did you only start paying attention to Gaza when Trump was inaugurated?

Make no mistake if they think twisting the algorithm is going to make the voices of the left less disruptive they have no fucking clue what it is like to fight people who believe in their beliefs because they ernestly think they will help and save people.

We were going at Biden and Harris with kid gloves on because we knew Trump was going to be much worse, but the kid gloves are off and leftists will do everything up to and including dying for what we think is right... because we aren't full of shit like the cowards in power are.

I dare them to kick us out of social media conversations, we are just going to become more radicalized into taking direct action instead of asking nicely.

Where is this take simultaneously coming from for everyone?

Guys. NOBODY. THOUGHT. TRUMP. WAS. BETTER. Now we can finally acknowledge that the American so-called "left" political party is so obscenely fucked that they're complicit in genocide? Literally the hallmark of Nazi Germany? Perhaps we as a people do not really have a lot of choice going on, and impotently choosing between two fascist parties election after election is not going to gradually bring us to democratic reform?

Trump has delivered a ceasefire that was always clamored for.

He blocked the 2,000 lb. bombs and the 500 lb. bombs. Then he lifted the restriction on the 500 lb. bombs.

Living in a world without nuance would mean experiencing life in a stark, black-and-white manner. Every situation, person, and idea is categorized as purely good or bad, leaving no room for complexity, shades of meaning, or understanding of different perspectives; A world where everything is simplified to extremes, leading to misinterpretations and a difficulty navigating more complex situations and interpersonal relationships. If worse/better doesn't matter, there can be no difference between killing 1,000 people or killing 100,000 people.

Keep telling yourself that, buttercup.

Both of them are pro-Israel, but only one of them is sending Israel 2,000 lbs bombs. How can you not see that that is flatly worse?

Careful of projection

Voting a third party or not supporting the system at all is the good choice here because it's the only hope to save palestine. You do not save palestine by voting between two parties open about its destruction.

The undecideds are about as dumb as the maggots. They were told, over and over, that they were effectively voting for a fascist. But they couldn’t imagine that the leopard would eat their faces. Now, that fucking guy will make “Genocide Joe” look like a god damn saint.

If by saving, they meant "it literally won't exist" anymore, then yeah. 2000 pound bombs are good for leveling entire city blocks.

So glad they helped save Palestine, and definitely weren't just eating up propaganda to get 🥭 reelected.

How many Palestinian children have died so far with democrat supplied bombs again? You think you have a leg to stand on?

"but what if the genocide rubber stamp was still blue" is not a compelling argument.

Yes leftists are the problem. Not the half of the country that willingly and happily voted for this.

Edit: Is there even any evidence that having protest voters vote for Kamala would’ve changed anything? Since I’m getting dogpiled here I want to clarify I was not a protest voter but everyone on Lemmy and Reddit keeps sharing this exact same sentiment

I voted for Kamala, but you have to be pretty dense to think that there is any meaningful difference between how Kamala and Trump would have handled Palestine. They're both full-on Zionists. Giving them some bigger bombs won't change things much. They already flatten entire neighborhoods at a whim.

If two candidates will likely both be abominable on an issue you care about, you might as well vote to hold the one representing the party that has already committed genocide accountable.

I love that your defense here is: "Look at that, you're just as big of a piece of shit as we are."

But in reality, they're objectively more moral than you are in voting against genocide. That it may happen anyway doesn't change that.

That's just self-indugent tribalist scapegoating using an argument which is circular and self-disproving.

• If there were too few people who cared about the Israeli Genocide enough for it to affect the vote, which is would justify the decision of the Democrat leadership to not do anything meaningful to agree with the demands of those voters (Biden pausing his own decision of sending 2000lb bombs is very much a "I'm saving you from myself" moment), then you can't really blame those few people for the Democrat loss since there were not enought of them to make a difference and something else made the Democracts lose, so the fault is in the strategy followed by the Democrat leadership on other subjects.
• If on the other hand there were so many people who cared about the Israeli Genocide enough for it to result in the Democrats losing the vote, why did the Democrat candidates not go after that vote? Again, the blame is down to the choices of the Democrat leadership: it's always easier to change what a handfull of people do than to change what millions do, so for the handful of people in the Democrat Party leadership to change their position with regards to supporting Israeli in its Genocide would be far more logical to expect in that scenario than for such a large slice of the electorate - millions of voters - to change their position instead. Even if one thinks "our leader's position is more important than that of millions of people so it's the millions who have to change their positions, not our leader" (a bootlicker's mindset, BTW), it's still incredibly stupid to go with "we're going to convince millions to change their position rather than just that one guy" as a strategy so the blame still rests with those who chose to go with it.

All I see here and now is people making a pseudo-"argument" that is entirelly reliant on the axiom that "the boss is always right" to manage to somehow blame millions for something which the "the boss" could have (per the part of that very same pseudo-"argument" which claims it was the people who were against the Israeli Genocide that sawyed the vote) easilly avoided by just meaningufully changing his position on just that one subject. That presumption that the leaders are blameless and it's the peons who are to blame for not being willing to follow the leaders no mater what they were doing, is a 100% subservient mindset.

If you're going to assign blame for Trump, look at the handful of people in the Democrat Party who chose to do things in such a way that the results was that millions of their own electorate chose not to vote for them, thus delivering the election to Trump.

One way to end a genocide is to 100% the ethnic cleansing.

People who still believe you have to choice either between red and blue are delusional.

This is the tragic truth.

The most frustrating part about it is that withholding votes was framed as a principled position. And I’m sorry, but that’s asinine. How many of those people who declared that they wouldn’t vote for the democratic ticket because of their action/inaction on Gaza actually did anything more than posting rants on social media? How many raised funds for aid? How many organized rallies, protests, or educational outreach? How many even so much as contacted their representatives?

It is either naivety or complacency to believe that national policy should change just because you and your friends sent around some memes. And it is callous indifference to base your vote on a single issue and then claim that you’re inhabiting the moral high ground.

If you yell into the void, you shouldn’t expect a response. And if you believe in an issue, either take action or acknowledge that it would be staggeringly arrogant to expect other people to put in work that you yourself won’t do.

I think most of them were state sponsored psyops or really shit trolls. I don't think most actual real marginally rational thinking people would have such a dumb af take.

I really tried to tell them, but the propaganda is insane.

They've already made inroads into the West Bank, Syria, and Lebanon, right?

Trump has achieved a ceasefire in Gaza. Some Palestinians are celebrating it as a victory.

I mean there are two ways to stop the genocide. You can stop killing people or you can, how did he put it? "Finish the problem"

It's probably the rapes that make him feel so young... Or maybe the felonies. I don't know... There's a lot to unpack here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war

The previous government allowed this genocide to happen, the current government is making plans to keep it going. Perhaps you will now understand what people have in mind when they say that both parties are the same and to look for alternatives.

Genocide Joe

Biden made real efforts to prevent the Israeli government from committing genocide.

Okay I don't have the energy to refute to this stuff anymore, so lemme just ask: Do you seriously believe the president of the united states, the single largest benefactor of Israeli regional hegemony, doesn't have the ability to enforce its own laws and prevent violations of international law by its protectorate?

This is exactly what we told people who wouldn't vote for Harris because of "gEnOcIdE jOe" bullshit.

What that things would continue on as they have been for well over a year now? Where is the "leopards ate my face" aspect of this?

Biden made real efforts to prevent the Israeli government from committing genocide. They failed, but they tried.

What efforts were those? Strongly worded phone calls and "red lines" that were constantly crossed and redrawn, while simultaneously standing alone in blocking UN and NATO resolutions against Israel?

who is going to outright empower the genocide.

Can you explain how a genocide that we've been actively supporting for the past 15 months is now being "empowered?"

Biden did not try. Palestinians were doomed either way

Trump appears to have pushed Netanyahu to agree to a ceasefire, which Biden failed to do. I wouldn't be surprised if the delivery of these bombs was part of the backroom deal between Trump and Netanyahu which led to the ceasefire.

I don't know what will happen after this ceasefire expires, but until then it's a little early for those who criticized Biden's policy on Israel to criticize Trump's.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28/

Can you explain what's changed?

A slightly bigger bomb won't change anything materially on the ground in Gaza. The only significant change recently has been a cease fire. Whether it will hold or not is as yet unknown. But at least so far, Trump has somehow actually managed to be better on Gaza than Biden. Trump has shown a willingness to actually use the carrots and sticks of US foreign policy to produce outcomes. Biden offered unconditional support to Israel, while Trump seems to have forced them to come to the peace table by threatening to withhold support. In other words, Trump did what Biden's base had been begging him to do for a year.

It's possible all this falls apart. And it is possible that Trump will prove far worse, for example by allowing an annexation of the West Bank. But so far at least, Trump has actually been a lot better for the Palestinians than Biden. Biden and Harris fundamentally do not accept that Israel should ever be held accountable for anything.

I don't think Trump did the cease fire out of moral concerns; I'm sure it was purely self-serving on his part. But he was actually willing to use the US's various carrots and sticks to force through a cease fire agreement. That is something Biden never had the balls to do.

He was entirely unfit to hold office and ruined the democrats chance of winning the election

Next question

Of those of us that voted, whether Harris, Stein, De la Cruz, West, etc. - everyone we voted for lost. The candidate you voted for was also complicit in genocide, whereas ours wasn't. We failed as a collective. If we could take every single one of those votes, and coordinate them towards one candidate, the best scenario would NOT be Harris, because she's a fucking lying psychopath. That's not even radical, this is civics 101 - you have a fascist movement you want to defeat, organize, find the best path, follow the best path, in unison. Not some middling ass piece of shit war criminal that the television told you was the top choice.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28

WASHINGTON, June 28 (Reuters) - The Biden administration has sent to Israel large numbers of munitions, including more than 10,000 highly destructive 2,000-pound bombs and thousands of Hellfire missiles, since the start of the war in Gaza, said two U.S. officials briefed on an updated list of weapons shipments.

Between the war's start last October and recent days, the United States has transferred at least 14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs, 6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire precision-guided air-to-ground missiles, 1,000 bunker-buster bombs, 2,600 air-dropped small-diameter bombs, and other munitions, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.

Hope that helps!

See this thread for why D's will never learn, and do not deserve to govern. Still blaming everyone they failed to motivate.

"You should have accepted the continuation of the slow D genocide. Now you'll get the extra double R genocide, and it's all your fault!"

This is why progressives abstained; to let Trump destroy the corporate-whore duopoly and charade of "democracy" in America. It wasn't under some fantasy that R's would be better for Gaza, America, or the planet. It was because the D's are captured by the corporate oligarchy — thus will never offer meaningful change — and spent the last few decades helping the R's sow the seeds for fascism, building the surveillance state and MIC, destroying the financial and housing security of the working class, etc.

Eventually some victims will stop accepting the abuse, and lash out at their abusers; even if it means much worse abuse or death.

Gaza: fucked.

Immigrants: fucked.

LGBT: fucked.

Democracy: fucked to death.

Totally real internet "leftists": совершенство

It's literally an argument in Israel for the cease fire. There's not much else to target in Gaza, so keeping it going is just causing reputational harm without the benefit of destroying more "Hamas" hospitals and water processing plants and schools.