I could argue that within our broken electoral college system, the only rational vote is 3rd party or not at all.

This is the irrational BS I was expecting from them.

“But within the context of our broken electoral college system, we know that voting a third party is ultimately inadvertently supporting Trump"

I honestly didn't expect rational pragmatism from them. This is a good sign.

But they pledge!

🤣

Don’t worry about not being able to work because of a bad update

Never happened to me in 20+ years... I seriously wonder what some of y'all have been doing that this is a major concern.

Photography has far more depth, complexity, and creativity as an artform...

Photography can be as simple as pointing a phone camera

I love it when my interlocutor immediately refutes their own argument.

No

Yeah - this is very strange to me since it seems like that's the bigger issue. Everything outside of $HOME is managed by a package manager of sorts. But all the stuff in $HOME is where the mess happens. distrobox does let you set an alternative home dir which is good. It seems like they should at least specify a separate XDG_CONFIG_HOME by default - then I could use my login scripts but application configs (for well-behaved applications at least) would be separated.

"Industry leaders"

Propaganda? It's called oppression. It's literally illegal for people to complain about this.

Propaganda? It's called oppression. It's literally illegal for people to complain about this.

In my eye Jackson Pollock is a no-talent hack who created meaningless crap that looks like somebody left a 2yr old unsupervised in the arts and crafts room at school. And I think it's an insult to other artists that his work is so heavily prized.

But we're talking about the quality of the work here aren't we? Not whether it is a work at all. You're effectively saying that you don't value the work because it was easy. Which is fine - that's your value call. But to deny that it's a creative work at all is an entirely different thing.

AI can be an excellent shortcut or a great tool, and help us make our work easier and products better, but it is not a creator of original creative works

An AI image doesn't just pop into the universe apropos of nothing. I don't think you can say there is zero creativity in the process. A human sat down, conceived of an idea, and used a tool to create it. What is at the core of debate is whether the result is a creative work made by the human or not.

I agree that the AI is not the creator of the work. But I'm not so quick to say that the person wasn't either... Cameras have a lot of stuff they do for the human. You can't credibly say that you create any photo you take with your phone. The billions of transistors and image processing algorithms do that. You chose what to point it at and when. And maybe some technical parameters. And when you prompt an AI you have full creative control over what goes into it as well. Hell - you could probably even copyright the prompt if it's sufficiently creative! But not the resulting artwork?

We may not value AI art as much as we do traditional arts. But I'm very hesitant to say that it is not art at all.

I didn't say a good art. But a work sufficiently creative as to be covered by copyright at the least.

Egad - they didn't even get free TV out of it or something.

But at least that has a sort of "old west" kinda name to it. Like "death valley" or "last chance saloon".

If a skillless child can reproduce it with no training but a command of their language of origin, it’s not art.

The art is in the eye, not the device. People made the same or similar claims about photography. "It's just reproduction not creation!" "It's just operating a machine that does all the work!"

AI is a tool - the person is the creative.

You may not like the art - but that's not to say it's not art. Either way I think it's a creative work and worthy of at least the option to be considered art.

Right, learning their techniques, not cutting out pieces of said master art and pasting it onto someone else’s work

Tell me you know nothing of art without telling me...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colored_Mona_Lisa

https://www.artsy.net/artwork/yasumasa-morimura-sen-cun-tai-chang-portrait-futago

And AI doesn't just "copy paste". Have you not seen anything created by AI? People act like it's just re-creating existing works for some reason.

That has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. On both sides...

is the implicit suggestion that it's fine to drive faster on weekends and during nighttime?

Yes. This is a classic "the exception makes the rule."

There will be speed limits posted before and after this area with higher limits that apply at those other times.

it’s the people that had their art used without their permission to train the AI.

This is the least coherent argument I keep seeing against AI art... Every art student in the world trains on the works of other artists. They explicitly study the works of great masters to learn their techniques. But when an "evil corporation(TM)" does it it's now theft.

It's literally wanting the laws to reflect who is doing something rather than wanting them to be applied fairly.

Yes, photographers, who held their camera, who spent years honing their craft, learning the ins and out of the art of photography, who put their bodies in the field to capture real life, yes, they should be able to copyright their work.

Pull out your phone. Open the camera app. Click the button. You just did an art.