Devastated Harris voters conclude America just hates women as Trump wins again

Not “just hates women” it also hates minorities of all kinds.

People always go with the excuse that coincidentally makes them least responsible, unless they win and then it's 100% all them.

My favorite is "America is a deeply sexist country!" followed by "But misogyny didn't contribute to this defeat at all!" by abstainers.

You can’t say that it didn’t contribute at all. I don’t think anyone is. And if they are, they’re stupid. But trying to boil it down to just that answer is even more stupid.

Harris retained more male Biden voters than female.

Capitalism is eating people alive. And people are fuckin sick of it. The democrats are the one party that actually pretends to try to appear to be on the “right” side, but will throw the working class under their campaign bus the minute the big money donors pull on their strings. So the betrayal people feel from the dems is fuckin palpable.

That, I think, is the biggest contributor. We are told they are the ones that will actually do good, but then get in office and “stay the course,” so their voters turn on them. Then we get people like trump and bush in office, and people are disgusted, so we hold our noses and vote for the democrats. But they’re Lucy and we’re Charlie Brown, and the cycle starts all over again. Meanwhile, the Overton window keeps lurching to the right, capitalism scorches the earth and robs us blind, and we all get more desperate. People are angrier than ever, and feel even more betrayed because it’s increasingly clear to more and more people that we have no one in our corner.

But here come the democrats again, telling us we’re on the right path, that we just have to trust them and their incrementalism nonsense while they try to court some nonexistent right-leaning swing voter. They fucked up bad on that last point this go round. They turned their backs on us in a big way to parade the Cheneys around telling us they were going to put republicans in the White House even if the democrats win? What in the fuck were they thinking?
- Meanwhile, the Overton window keeps lurching to the right, capitalism scorched the earth and we all get more desperate.
  
  Yes, tell me more about how much more conservative we were during the Biden administration than during the Bush administration. I'm all ears.
  
  Dem leadership are feckless, spineless, and utterly out of touch. But that even left-wing voters slurp up shit propaganda that helps the right-wing because it sounds truthy is probably the most damning indictment of the American electorate.

We lost because of a lack of blue votes but what, 40% of the US basically voted to have them as property?

Trump voters are misogynistic assholes, that's a given, and pay off the reason the Dems shouldn't have been trying to get them... But it's not like a bunch of people who voted for Joe went and voted for Trump... He didn't get more votes this time. Millions of Biden voters just didn't show up... And I don't believe for a second that they didn't show up because they just didn't want to vote for a woman

It does suck that this country has so many misogynists... But they are a known factor and can/should have been planned for... that's not what cost Dems this election

“Republicans hate women.” Plain and simple. Saw it on a t-shirt and just had to have it. God bless the truth coming out💙

They hate black women, Hillary Clinton actually won the popular vote

Harris still might, California is only 60% counted with mostly urban places left to count.
- It wouldn't be much, but I still hope Harris wins the popular vote -- even though I think she was a fucking garbage candidate. At least then I can go back to shouting from the highest tower that we should abolish the electoral college -- but living in a world where Trump won the popular vote tells me America as a whole isn't better than this, this is exactly who the majority of Americans are -- hateful, scared and short sighted. I was lied to by my parents for my entire life -- they told me there were more good people than bad people, but then they got old and they started voting for the very same bad people they taught me how to recognize. What the everloving fuck happened
No they hate cops. Harris was a terrible candidate
- Just wait until Trump 2.0.

Trump used misogyny the entire campaign.

I guess that had nothing to do with it ? I guess that you are saying that was just a coincidence ?

Nice talking to you.

While there were many detrimental factors Dems failed to properly address or apparently expected to be treated as positives, the obvious main one was attempting to outflank the GOP from the right. Every attempt to talk negatively about immigration or social issues was bound to result in more people taking Trump seriously instead of thinking Dems will do something. Everything about the illegal immigration rethoric was false, from the numbers to the effects, and Dems knew it - they decided they wanted to pretend this issue exists, so they can also play the right wing populist game. Pro-genocidal rethoric was also something right wing electorate knew Trump would do better, and some people disgusted with that rethoric decided not to vote. Dems wanted to become more right wing, to get that sweet ability to talk complete bullshit about everything and cover their inefficiencies with the mirages of bigotry. They believed their more "reasonable" right wing populist will win instead of wild maniacy like Trump - exactly as they did back in 2016, except this time Kamala had the chance to shape a different image for herself and she refused to do so. They gambled going to get away with moving further right and still getting elected, since Trump should have been very unpopular by all metrics they were capable of imagining. Instead, they gained no votes from the right and lost a fuck ton from the center and the left. Their arrogant and callous campaign sentenced many americans to likely death. They absolutely could have fought with all they had and ceded concessions to their voters instead of donors and "allies" like Israel. They could have went left instead of right, as many of us hoped after the Walz VP pick. Instead they lost, as the worse and less dedicated right wing party of US. They're to blame for what's going to happen next, not some abstract impossible to be pointed with finger voters. Yeah, Harris being a black woman in this deeply conservative society was a detriment to her chances. That was outside of her control, unlike everything else she did or didn't do.

I'll be honest, unless most of the Democratic Party gets purged, it's probably meaningless to vote for them (assuming you even can) in 2028. There couldn't have been easier victory to be had, and they fucked it up. They should have called Trump a pedophile, but were afraid that their own pedophiles like Clinton would get hit with a shrapnell. They could have promised to tax the ultra rich, like Elon Musk down to the fucking ground, but they wanted their money themselves. They didn't want to promise anything big, knowing fully well that no one would believe them with their terrible track record of implementing any meaningful and radical chances, while Trump claimed everything was the fault of immigrants and foreign adversaries and promised radical actions against them. Believing that they wont pull the same bullshit in 2028 is naive, they will refuse to learn anything from this catastrophe, move further right and campaign on "returning to the norm". Fuck them. Let the greedy fucks burn, just as you will because of them. USA needs a third (and fourth, and fifth...) party, and it needs it now instead of in 4 years. Dems should be completely discarded, and I hope the pain you will feel in next 4 years, pain that they could have prevented but chose not to instead, will convince you as well.

Yeah, I'm done, sorry for the rant. Posts casting blame on voters instead of Dems majorly piss me off right now.

No, America is not too racist or sexist to elect a woman of color. It’s that they need to be a progressive. It’s a package deal.

There’s simply not many people who fall into ‘progressive enough to vote for a woman of color, but conservative enough to be anti-immigrant and pro-genocide.’

Jesus...

I think like this, the only time Trump lost, was when racing against another white cishet dude, just more white and old than him, more respectable so to speak, he even was a previous VP. Harris had that same feat in the list, among lot of qualifications. Patriarchy is real, 10 million voters that showed up for him, didn't for her, and I can't help to draw the same conclusions here. This is what you get when you let your country lean to the right year after year. After witnessing this defeat, I'm now sure 100% that USA is not going to have a woman as president in my lifetime. The only way for this to happen is both Dems and Reps present woman candidates, so you will be forced to pick a woman one way or another. And Reps are not going to present such candidate in my lifetime.

You morons pick the clown over the woman, so far 100% of times it happened. White, latino and black men are still mostly male chauvinists, and that shows. A woman very qualified for the job is not fit for being president. If you want this to change, conversations about misogyny need to happen among your friends and family, denying this will not make it disappear, dumbfucks.

Misogyny likely played a small factor. AZ for example has trump up by a couple percent, but also Kari Lake down a couple percent. And her whole platform was “whatever helps trump”. The numbers aren’t huge, but it’s likely at least part of that gap.

I've been joking since she won her primary that she's going to lose because even the Dems in AZ are sexists who like veterans.

The race is narrower than I would've expected because Harris's right-wing heelturn fucked the down ballot races. I genuinely believe that lowered turnout in big numbers
- A portion of voters didn't even know Joe Biden had dropped from the race or why. Everyone thinking it's merely that the policies weren't progressive enough is clueless about the information environment many Americans live in today.

Join the crowd ladies. Their hate is very wide.

So rational wow

Oh wait this is not The Onion.

Oh no people here are actually buying this crap.

Men who respect women don't vote for a rapist.
- Oh no now democrats are using moral purity arguments. What happened to trashing those for the last year?
  
  Maybe we need to move further right to appeal to all those sexist racist right wingers,. That will do it. No other reason democrats lost.

I don't think that way, personally.

I think that America is just dumb af. Every stance Republican Voters claim to care about: Trump performs worse on. But they were told he was their guy by Facebook, TikTok, YouTube, Twitter, etc. Money won the race.

People are seriously underestimating just how stupid the Trump voter is. Sure, 10% of them are selfish, racist, misogynist, pieces of shit. The rest are too fucking dumb to accurately describe. These morons not only have fully submitted themselves to the propaganda bubble world they choose to remain in, but they are willing to believe, and do believe, multiple contradicting lies at the same time. They lack the most basic level of reasoning that many pets have. For example, they will believe that Biden doesn't exist and is actually an actor, Obama is controlling Biden as president, Trump is secretly president already, that Biden is manipulating everything against Trump, and that Biden is too senile to do anything. It's not that they think some of these conspiracies could be true, they believe all of it at the same time. Even my dog knows that the treat being in one hand means it's not in the other hand. Even my dog can understand we live in one reality. These people are dumber than fucking rocks.
Yup. This was my conclusion as well. Elon likely turned the tide of the election, and he barely dipped into his available funds.

All of us struggling to survive, making an honest living... We're just seen as trash. Trump, Elon, Jeff... They don't have to call us garbage. They know we're garbage. They know it every time they both commit, and get away with crimes, and every time they toss money around with barely a thought.

It's already so bad... The inflation, the debt, the hours. The average American is no longer hopeful that they might achieve prosperity. What happens when Trump raises our taxes, while cutting taxes for the wealthy? What happens when the war on porn and abortion is cranked up? What happens when hundreds of millions of people become desperate, disillusioned, and disenfranchised?

I think Putin knows. I know. You all probably have some idea.

Help the people around you as much as you can, everyone. Don't let the country descend into chaos. Even when countless Americans hate us for it, we have to help even those people.
They think right of progressives makes them Republican. When it really just makes them a liberal.
I think this is basically it. Americans are stupid, immoral people.

They put a proven rapist, convicted felon, and fascist in the White House after he killed a million Americans with Covid and openly talked about deploying the military on our fellow citizens.

Americans are, without a doubt, some of the shittiest people on the planet.
- Americans are, without a doubt, some of the shittiest people on the planet.
  
  I don’t know about that. But it might be argued that they are really bad considering they have excellent access to information and still chose the path of least resistance, that being information at appeals to their beliefs.
- You could say the same about the people of any country that's committed terrible acts. It's easier sometimes to demonize an entire people - fascists do this famously with great success. Trump won, in no small part, because he did exactly this.
  
  So sure, you can do the same. You can call all Americans shitty. Maybe thats the lesson you can take from all of this: It worked for Trump, so why not you?
  
  I don't agree with this sort of thing, though. I don't agree with fascist talking points. I think this sort of thinking leads to unspeakable things.
- It's what decades of intentional suppression of education paired with propaganda will do to people.
- The bar probably does go lower than you think for humanity, but yeah we might be approaching all new lows.
Don’t underestimate misogyny / bro culture in the US. Combine that with machismo in some subcultures and the weird religious beliefs that women should be subservient and at home making babies and we’ll never see a female president at this rate.
- The fact that "tradwife" entered the lexicon and is popular on social media tells you basically everything you need to know about how many Americans think of women in this country.
- My dude we don’t have presidents anymore.
- I'm not really underestimating it, it's clearly there and a very huge problem, but if Harris was the candidate offering to cut taxes for the rich and Trump was the candidate threatening to change half of all US Cars to electric in 10 years, then the outcome would be opposite to what it was.
- Don't overestimate it, either. Even places where that "machismo" is in the dominant culture have managed to elect women as presidents.
  
  You know what the real difference is? Their woman presidents aren't useless fucking neoliberals.
You know Canada used to make fun of America as a daily pastime. We stopped doing that and now look where we are.
- I just assumed that started as a reactionary movement responding to South Park.
Don't overgeneralize. Many of us [edit: US citizens] are not that stupid [edit: and didn't vote for this dumpster fire].

And as one of those I don't appreciate the random asshole insults.

Edit: Calling an entire country stupid when you can't parse that this comment was saying that a large chunk of us didn't vote for Diaper Donnie is very ironic.
- You're going to get a lot of random asshole insults as a Trump Voter on this instance, pal.

Honestly, I feel we have a huge disinformation problem. A war really where billionaires, Russia, Iran,and China are on one side and we're on the other. They treat it like a war while we treat it like a small infestation. So many Republicans I speak with bring up reason why they support trump that are reasonable: Better economy, Protecting children, protecting rights, protecting jobs, reducing crime.in a vacuum, cool candidate. Except that many of the strategies he utilize to accomplish those goals seems illegal or unhelpful. Even worse, who cares if he could and would accomplish those goals, He tried to overthrow the government. Yet all the Republicans I know view that as untrue. Mainly in the form of, "I don't hear about it much, so it's either fake news,or not really a coup"

Why? Because they get their news from faux news and social media that have focused on keeping those negative aspects of him buried. And both of those things have huge reach.they are the eyes and ears of these voters, how can they not believe their eyes and ears that tell them that Trump is great?

Until that problem is dealt with, we can't have an informed population that votes. Instead we will have a large group of uninformed voters. It's not their fault, they're just some of the first casualties in this disinformation war.

Don’t take the word of a fascist at face value. They don't argue in good faith. They are all racists and sexists, every single one. They’re just too cowardly to say it to your face.
- Completely untrue. Their good intentioned. They just are given news from an alternate reality where Trump is not fascist, racist, and is so smart. When you don't hear bad news on someone, how can you know their bad?
I saved a comment from u/allmhuran posted to r/news on 2016-06-24:

"Australia has had five prime ministers in five years, the poor yanks look as though they'll have to choose between two options both of which have more disapproval than approval, and the UK leaves the EU. It seems like a ridiculous amount of instability. One might even call it absurd.

But it's not surprising.

You can't feed a society exaggeration, hyperbole and propaganda for over a decade, and then claim surprise when people don't seem to be making rational decisions on the basis of well established truth.

There's a cost associated with not telling the truth. There's a cost associated with polarized, adversarial public discourse. There's a cost associated with media more concerned with profits than the public interest.

It is, apparently, time to pay the piper."
- There’s a cost associated with media more concerned with profits than the public interest.
  
  Media: good thing we're not the ones paying the price! Continue current heading, profits ho!
- I think education is a factor here as well. People collectively seemed to have started just taking any sources word as objective truth with no rationalisation or justification. The fact we now have google forcing ai answers onto people that are factually wrong or unreliable and most just don't question it is emblematic of the problem. People lack critical thinking now.
- Very well stated. We need to operate within this reality instead of the fantasy land created by those who will be fine either way.
- And what's the suggestion here? I'm not getting it.
“So many Republicans I speak with bring up reason why they support trump that are reasonable: Better economy, Protecting children, protecting rights, protecting jobs, reducing crime”

Except Trump has done none of these things. These people are lying to you, and probably to themselves.
- That's the point I'm trying to make(but didn't do well). Successful Media is telling Trump can, has and will do these things . If they're told this repeatedly, with no other sane opinions, of course they will believe it. Worse still, they're also told views to the contrary are completely false and should be disregarded
The worst part is all of those claims can be easily debunked, but not a one of them will ever believe it.
Unless that the large portion of americas population that thinks the ultra rich are awesome suddenly stops thinking that way then it’s gonna be a difficult battle.

Women should just fucking leave their Trump voting husband/boyfriend and should go no contact with their Trump loving fathers, brothers and sons. Seriously if the men don’t stand behind their women why should these women even support their men.

Go let them wallow in misery. And let them fight over the remaining nut job women who voted for Trump. The Trump male to Trump female ratio doesn’t favor these men in the dating scene.

Genuinely curious, what about all the women that voted orange?
- stockholm syndrome
4b baby
- 4B no babies.
Some will. Some can't.
- Theres always adding visine to your abusive husbands coffee
These men who are meant to be protectors of the women in their lives have committed the ultimate betrayal of selling them out as slaves. What vile creatures. How could anyone stand to be in the same room as a man who did that to you. That would make me sick to my core.
They don't value women enough to consider that a loss.

For them, all of the smart women shutting up or leaving is probably beneficial.

I actually concluded that and that the Democrats have no fucking clue who their fucken base is. Jfc. They should all just register as Republicans if they want to keep moving right like this.

Democrats don't really have a base. It's not progressives, if that's what you're thinking, we don't have the numbers for that kind of sway. You can see this clearly in how many House seats we hold.

If there is any base to dems, its white collar suburban soccer moms. But it's not actually that either, they're just one of the biggest segments.
- Exactly; “Democrats” are the party of the “not Republicans”. With how far right the Overton window has shifted, that covers a LOT of the political spectrum, much of which is in opposition.
- Doesnt matter anymore. Have you seen what these lunatics have been saying as potential members of his cabinet and beyond? Anyone who voted Democrat is in danger at this point. The rise of the American Reich.
Harris didn't move right! She supported expanding the child tax credit, legalizing marijuana, codifying Roe, etc.

She did campaign with Cheney, but didn't endorse her or promise her a position of power or adopt any of her policy preferences. The whole point was to signal "Trump is so dangerous that even the most conservative leaders are setting aside their disagreements to support me."
- Moved right on the border.
I'm certain thier base is whomever votes at this point. If the GOP dissappear tomorrow, I'm concerned they would start putting up nazi flags.

Women, immigrants, racial minorities in general, LGBTQ people, muslims, the poor, themselves, it's pretty much everyone at this point.

Lots of young women actually voted for Trump. Go figure: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/yes-trump-improved-young-men-drew-young-women-rcna179019

I heard an interview with a woman who said she voted Republican because, on the one hand, abortion "isn't that big of a deal" and ought to be left up to the states, but on the other, "doctors shouldn't be allowed to abort babies after they're born."

So this person thinks that doctors are murdering babies... and that should be allowed on a state by state basis. Which... boy oh boy, I'm not sure what to even do with a mind that works that way.
That's what they mean by America hates women. It includes women too.
Saying women can't be sexist is akin to saying black people can't be racist. Of course they can, and I saw segments where they were interviewing Trump women at rallies and they were saying shit like women are too emotional to lead a country. It turns out people can hate themselves.
Internalised misogyny and all of that.
Wild.
Lol this mfer can make them into breeder slaves from Mad Max Fury Road and they'd just vote even harder for him next time.

It's just joever, people prefer authoritarianism over freedom, even reproductive freedom or bodily autonomy, they are sheep that need to be led where to go and told what to think.

It's really beyond time for this sort of disinformation to fuck off.

Harris lost because she's a neoliberal, full stop. Scapegoating it as sexism means you learned fucking nothing and will only keep losing.

Sure, go ask the average turnip voter if her neoliberal stances were why they voted for the rapist, 34 time convicted felon who cages children, is literally traded on the stock market and has nothing but praise for dictators, in fact who expressed his desire to be one multiple times on the campaign trail.

You folks are so desperate to not blame the majority of people who chose to either vote for that, or were at least comfortable with him as their leader.
If you think sexism wasn't a significant part of this, I don't know what to tell you. Of course it was. Biden wasn't better than her in any way and he won against Trump. Despite the fact that practically no one was excited to vote for him. It's baffling you're even questioning this.
- Biden wasn't better, Trump's issues were just more in the forefront of people's minds. They asked themselves "do I want more of this" and said no. Since then there have been rose colored glasses that make people think he was good for the economy and they've forgotten the chaos. And now the "do I want more of this" question is moving against the Democrats and a candidate that was reticent to truly separate herself from "this".
- Whether sexism was an important part of it or not isn't the point.
  
  The point is that if we allow that statement to pass unchallenged, it will take over the narrative, none of the necessary reforms will happen, and the world will continue to get worse.
Any sane adult should have beat Trump. He won because 72 million Americans want fascism.
- no, he won because 20 million Americans played chicken in Americas only car and we fucking lost.
- Once all the smart, wealthy, moral, and ethical people flee the US that can flee the US do flee the US I'll finally be able to get a job!
Completely agree, but I’ve been seeing so many similar sentiments on Lemmy since the election. Today I saw someone comment, almost word for word, that there was no problem with Kamala’s campaign - the issue was simply that Americans are too stupid. Someone else on a totally different post commented that this election proves the Dems could run Jesus Christ himself and half the country would still reject him. And those are just two examples. This is one of more unhinged meltdowns I’ve ever seen.
- Dems could run Jesus Christ himself and half the country would still reject him
  
  I mean, that is undeniably true, but we've known that for a lot longer than two days.
- I get the anger from dems against those who didn't vote but honestly that's more on the democratic party for not putting forward a candidate that earned those votes than anything else. Neither candidate is "entitled" to votes, just because the other candidate is abhorrent. I do think things will get considerably worse now and that'll hopefully teach those who didn't vote that yes that can happen and they should vote but the decision not to isn't on the electorate, it's the party that felt like they deserved votes they didn't earn.

Anything except blaming her policies because those conservative policies come with a shit ton in donations...

Yup. Sadly, we can't run some robust experiments, but I'm pretty sure Warren would have outperformed Harris by a mile.

God I hope the DNC's fucking takeaway isn't "must only run neoliberal men".
- I looked back over the 2020 primary data and Kamala dropped before she even got to the first vote, Warren continued to pull small groups of delegates after super tuesday. In a very real sense Elizabeth Warren beat the pants off Kamala in terms of the primary. I was really pushing for her early in 2020 because I felt she was a consensus candidate between the further left Bernie types and the centrist Buttigieg types.
- She’s even wonkier than Harris and wouldn’t have connected with voters as well.
  
  Don’t get me wrong, she’s an amazing Senator. But what makes you good at governing isn’t what makes you good in a campaign.
- I'm pretty sure Warren would have outperformed Harris by a mile.
  
  What makes you so sure? The fact that Warren lost in the 2020 primary by giant amounts? 😆
  
  Bernie was right in 2020. America isn't ready to elect a female president.
More than one thing can be true. And they obviously were in this case.

It's not "just" that, but it was the deciding factor that made this all moot from the start.

The people who voted for trump are, in their DNA, at their core, bigoted cowards that wouldn't have been swayed by anything else - She has a vagina and she's black - That's all it was ever going to be.

" I was this close, Bill... I just wanted more policy details... More time... If only they didn't make me vote for trump".

The people who voted for trump are, in their DNA, at their core, bigoted cowards that wouldn’t have been swayed by anything else - She has a vagina and she’s black - That’s all it was ever going to be.

" I was this close, Bill… I just wanted more policy details… More time… If only they didn’t make me vote for trump".

My Trump-supporting mother, mother-in-law, father-in-law, sister-in-law and sister would all cite "abortion is murder" and "criminal illegals" bullshit before Harris' vagina or skin ever came into it.

I almost wish the Dems had run Biden despite his terrible debate performance so that people wouldn't blame the Dems losing on Harris' vagina and skin color instead of her terrible campaign.

Trump did about as well as he did in 2020, that Harris lost is because she did worse than Biden did in 2020. Fear of Trump wasn't as fresh to animate the base and she only really courted moderate republicans and middle class white women in the latter stages of her (short) campaign and that hurt turnout and turnout is the most important thing for Dems.

Much of America hates much more than just women, but women have got to be at or near the top of the list.

Misogyny is an easy excuse that doesn't question the effectiveness of any of the politicians or consultants involved in the race. People forget that Biden only barely won what should have been an easy race. Now the difference between losing and barely winning is a big deal, but they all ran pretty similar campaigns trying to get the "good Republicans" while neglecting their base. Maybe Biden's shriveled dick was the difference to get him to barely squeak past Trump while a woman wouldn't, but none of these races should have been close. There's a much bigger problem at play than "just don't run women because too sexist".

I'm with you. Some of the simplicity of this is what's going to keep these cycles going.
He won by more than she lost by. It's not an excuse, it's just a part of the equation that cannot be ignored.
- And? It's been 4 years and a lot of factors have changed. If kamala didn't engage with those 20 mil who felt Biden made promises he didn't deliver and kamala has no plans to change anything then that could explain it. Blaming this purely on gender without any justification is just careless. Although I'm pretty sure the dems will see this as "women can't win" rather than "we're deeply out of touch and need real reform".
- In a win as close as his, that's not saying anything particularly significant. Biden's win was what, 80,000 votes or so?
Not defending bidens record here but are you really dissing an 81 yo dick? You think anyone has a girthy hog at 81?
- Please don't remind me that people actually voted for a guy who looks and smells like he died two weeks ago.
- Arnold Palmer maybe.
  
  Also, is this post serious? Because I'm assuming someone taking offense about colorful language about an old man's penis can't possibly be so, but it's being played very straight that this is a real thing worthy of conversation.

Devastated world gets confirmation of American misogyny above freedom and safety.

That is the correct conclusion...