Iran launches drone attack against Israel as Biden rushes to White House

If we keep going back, Israel has committed far too many hostilities that were never responded to. Hell, they bomb syria most weeks without any retaliation form Syria. They commit horrors against west bank citizens all the time.

Yep. Most places the UN would come in and try to settle everyone down, but the US basically blocks anything like that, and it's possible that's mostly because of mystical prophecies they believe.

Let’s not forget the same thing I have to say every fucking time in one of these posts: Just because the United States did something wrong does not mean others should follow

You guys need to learn from our fuck ups!

Has the US ever bombed an embassy? Knowing your post history, I have a feeling you left out that detail for a reason.

Theocratic dictatorships tend to be like that. Iran does not care about MAD either, I reckon.

Wasn't Hamas created in response to Israeli aggression?

Not defending Hamas, but they don't exist in a vacuum.

iran is funding and arming hamas, hizballah and the houthis, all of which were attacking israel. in addition to their attacks on usa bases.

don't forget that those fucks also support Russia with their drones...

Meanwhile Israel funds and arms terrorist groups in Iran like the Mojahiden-e-khalq or Al-Nusra in Syria, in addition to their cyber attacks on Iran and assassinations of Iranian scientists.

Yes, it does, and it sucks. It's basically war over there. That said, attacking an embassy is a line where Israel's actions should have been condemned. The point is not that Iran is in the right in any way, the point is Israel is just as wrong here.

My local news straight up called these air attacks "Iranian aggression". No, you fuckers, Israel went first this time. Usually it's a slight slant but that's just lies.

I’ve seen the media careful to make a distinction between the embassy and “a consular building adjacent to the embassy”. I did a quick search expecting the to be the defense.

But international law is the real wtf. According to the Wikipedia entry

is the obligation of the country in which an embassy is located to protect the embassy, but international treaties do not expressly prohibit a third country to target diplomatic premises if they host combatants and are targeted in an act of self-defense, although a claim of self-defense cannot usually justify an attack on the territory of a country not participating in hostilities.

So, it’s Syria’s fault for not protecting diplomatic buildings? Plus Syria probably has a claim against Israel, whereas Iran doesn’t?

I’m sure Israel will attempt to argue self defense based on the targeted officers and however they may have participated in the original attack and involvement of Yemen, but that’s a pretty big stretch.

"Embassies."

Not just allowing israel to do so, but providing them with weapons and now America and the UK are even intercepting any retaliation. Making sure nobody can fight back against the bully.

Unfortunately, I'm not certain it's in Israel's best interest that this doesn't escalate. They can probably do serious damage to Iran whereas the reverse is far less certain (evidently from this attack). And they knew very well that their embassy attack will bring Iranian retaliation. Now they'll just use that for an even greater response.

I’d say the best that could be hoped for is Israel shoots everything down.

• Iran got their revenge
• Israel wasn’t harmed
• As a US citizen, I’m fine with encouraging this part of the war to end with “sure, we’ll replace all the missiles Israel used to defend themselves”

Before everyone attacks me, remember that anti-aircraft missiles are good for defense but not offense.

This drone attack by Iran may have more to do with "showing" it's little vassal terrorist groups it's prodding and bankrolling into doing Iran's dirty work that Iran is "doing" something militarily in support of Hamas and the Houthi.

What is a drone strike that is going to take 8 to 10 hours to arrive supposed to accomplish when it's so easy to spot coming well ahead of time. It's not like Iran doesn't have missiles that can hit Israel in a handful of minutes if Iran really wanted to do damage.

God I hope this place doesn't turn into something like Voat where it's just another 4chan like environment filled with all the users banned for posting racist shit and CP.

They're being a bit futile. If your default sort is active it doesn't hide any downvoted comments.

And if you're on an instance like Kbin or Beehaw, downvotes don't even affect vote count because the downvotes are not federated.

Who do you think the tankies support in this conflict? Or, is this just poisoning the well to help Israel / US?

Based on what evidence? Even if it were, an attack on an embassy or consulate is akin to attacking their territory. If Israel has a right to retaliate against Hamas then Iran has every right to retaliate against Israel.

Terrorist is a meaningless word.

By terrorism you mean brown people committing acts of violence? This is a response to Israel attacking Iran much like the genocide in Palestine is a response to Hamas attacking Israel.

Irrelevant, embassies are internationally protected sanctuaries.

They were victims of the Holocaust. They were aggressors in the Nakba. They were probably victims one or more times after that, as well as aggressors (I'm a bit fuzzy on that history, honestly), and now they're aggressors doing a "proportionate genocide" in Gaza. And they want to start shit with Iran, which might just be a case of two assholes fighting each other.

Chihuahuas don’t kill so many children.

Also they have started the hostilities and made enemies of neighbors, not like they weren't offered a fair share of land even in the face of them settling in there because the big ex-boyfriend just forced so.

I'm not quite sure how to fit Netanyahu into this analogy, but that's also a factor. The dude doesn't want to go to jail and it looks like he has no problem flattening the Middle East if it helps prop him up.

It is an open air prison, no doubt about that. Yet the apartheid in this case did not arise out of pure racism, but as a reaction to a history of constant suicide bombings. Besides, there are 2 million palestinian israelis living peacefully inside Israel...but there is also a part of Israel that does not help their case either by covering for every nationalist invading the West Bank or the cruelty they allow to go unpunished e.g. Shireen Abu Akleh.

Not looking to be antagonizing, as you're correct those are the reasons. But it should be said that they are stupid reasons. We should be weaning off oil as quickly as possible. The second point is in a lot of ways a hindrance, as shipping zones means shipping away manufacturing jobs.

And none of that is worth the price of war, or supporting genocide.

As for that natural resource, we have quite a bit of it here in the United States itself. So we wouldn't have to rely on them to get that resource. That, and if the US really wanted to break away, they could very seriously incentivize the purchase of electric mobility devices, such as electric bikes and scooters and cars.

It has a huge amount of a particularly important strategic resource.

This is not accurate. There are multiple nearby allied/NATO countries in the area as well as carrier groups in the Med that more than cover what Israel offers us.

Israel does not offer us a unique strategic advantage in any scenario. They only increase tensions with our existing trade partners in the region and threaten to bring us into wars that they start. They are very much using us, and have been for decades. We allow/justify it because of religious and traditional reasons. Nothing more.

Biden is backing Israel because some of the U.S.'s biggest political donors (AIPAC) will shift their support back to the Republicans in the upcoming election if he doesn't. Mark my words: Biden will back off Israel support the instant it becomes too late for certain donors to negatively affect the upcoming election.

You are correct. GDF just did a fantastic video breaking it all down.

Israel offers absolutely no unique strategic value to U.S. trade or military logistics. There are nearby NATO countries, bases in nearby allied countries as well as carriers in the Med that more than cover us.

Israel is only a liability to us. They exacerbate tensions with our existing trade partners in the region and risk bringing us into unecessary conflicts.

Oh, i hold very few blood notes. Let it crash. My gold will hold its value

As it should be, I would expect Israel to be Israel first. I would expect Iran to be Iran first. I would expect France to be France first. I would expect China to be China first, etc etc.

Obligatory, since people are not getting it:

https://youtu.be/SZE4pEKc6WY

There can not be a "cost of doing business" for the likes of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. Has anyone here ever wondered why Hezbollah are so tame in this conflict, why they are so deathly afraid of an escalation? Hint: They are seeing the footage from Gaza too, they too are keeping track of how every single Hamas commander is being systematically hunted down, how Israel is willing and able to level an entire apartment block just to get one of them, global public opinion be damned - or, if they are feeling particularly humane that day, sending a small missile or drone precisely into the window that commander happens to be sitting behind.

How anyone expected anything but pure hellfire in response to the October 7 massacres and rapes is beyond me. No nation on Earth would have reacted any differently. The likes of Switzerland or Denmark would have gone medieval on the perpetrators in a situation like this. Iran is playing a very dangerous game. One "lucky" hit by one of their missiles or drones, e.g. into a busy crowd, school or hospital, could spell the end of the regime in Tehran.

That is unconfirmed. So far it's drones according to the article and US intelligence. Our intelligence guys have been doing a good job forecasting what is happening so I'm inclined to believe them. Guess we will see in a few hours.

Analysts are literally calling it that

Cold wars don't have direct conflict. Nevermind.

Israel couldn't function without continued US support, this isn't some abstract, the US political establishment enables Israeli atrocities and turns a blind eye to their seizing of territory, even just last month Israel annexed Palestinian territory illegally with the full support of the West.

I think the situation is serious enough to avoid making such ridiculous straw-men.

This is an awful take. Jews and Muslim populations are not separate races that have fought since existence. Israeli's are mostly German; they do not have a corresponding Muslim population.

• Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Muslims lived fine together till Israel started 75 years ago.
• Same with Iranian Jews and Iranian Muslims.
• Same with Iraqis, Yemenis, and North Africans

Warden (War loving Biden) has focused more on Israel than abortion, legalizing marijuana, equality, health insurance, taxes, and everything else he promised since he has took office.

When did I say it has no relation?

It's related, but it's an excuse for what Iran really wants. Similarly Iran does not really care about the Palestinians beyond their usefulness as a grudging pawn.

A proportional response from Iran would have been more rockets from Hezbollah, Hamas, or the Houthis. Or maybe a very limited drone attack on a specific target.

A response like this on the part of Iran is disproportionate, so there must be another motive. Iran isn't so stupid as to think Israel won't bomb the shit out of them, thus Iran must want to be bombed.

The only reason I can think of for Iran to want to be bombed is to quell their internal troubles. It feels like every other week another woman without a hijab is killed, or disappeared, or beat to shit, and every other month another protester is executed by the state. There is unrest in Iran, people are getting tired of the theocratic bullshit. So what better time to need an external threat?

Iran's long-running narrative against israel, painting them as their great satan, could use a refresh, and what better way than to have israeli bombs fall on iran?

By that logic Iran started this by funding Hamas and meeting with them. Israel responded, now they respond, then Israel will respond.