Lemmy is so good right now for no particular reason
It's not the kids, not the lurkers, not the mods... y'all just nice people. Lemmy's got a good vibe going... or at least enough windows that we can close if the vibe gets shit.
I think it's just survivorship bias, kinda like mastodon. The people inclined to come here are probably anti-corporate, and sick of current social media's bullshit.
I think the barrier to entry also helps a bit. The folks willing to put up with the rough edges that Lemmy has are also likely willing to participate with the intent of making Lemmy a success rather than just "hangers on" as it were. With a 1600% growth in "active" user population, there are definitely a ton of lurkers, yet. Once it becomes more approachable, we'll see if the community feeling that Lemmy has begins to tarnish and fade as the volume of interaction and content rises.
I have been thinking this over the past week on reddit every time I see a "Lemmy/Kbin needs to sort out X, Y and Z otherwise it's going to fail massively." or "Lemmy/Kbin is impossibly hard to use/sign up for". Usually with CAPITAL LETTERS and emojis.
Like... ok. I don't think you'll be missed with that attitude. At least for the time being.
I was thinking the same, especially after seeing several posts "demanding" Lemmy to change this and change that.
I mean, that's not to say there's no room for improvements, but if the first thing some people do when going to a new platform is wanting changes to meet their personal way of doing things, instead to try and adapt first to how the platform works and learn from it, in my opinion it means those people are not really interested in being here and make lemmy succeed, they're just following the "flavor of the month" and won't last long here anyway.
I think the fediverse being not so intuitive might be a very good thing actually, it can act as a sort of filter so it doesn't succumb to the masses ruining everything, hopefully.
Totally agree, it's amazing how many people can be discouraged by a small bump over the road. Kinda like how free mobile games have millions of downloads but games that are like, a dollar, are lucky if hit a thousand (and the gap in quality is astounding most of the time).
The barrier isnt that high in my opinion at least. Its just signing up to any instance in lemmy and thats it. I choose shitjustworks cuz they seemed level headed and i heard some nasty rumors about some of the other bigger lemmy instances so that was another factor on it i guess.
I'll admit I like having a pretty interface to interact with so I hesitated to make my account until I found Connect for Lemmy. Looks nice and easy to get used to
I’m excited about the fact that people who are anti-corporate usually are the same people that will moderate and build community for free just because they want to be a part of something bigger than themselves. If all content creators and moderators find their home here Reddit will only have takers and lurkers left!
I know I’m being naive but I’m enjoying my little dream of utopia 😄
I'm just here because of Reddit dick move, not that I hate all companies, the transition was quite nice that is to projects like https://wefwef.app and the upcoming Sync for Lemmy!
I'm going to leave mine up as a sort of testament to eleven years of my life. My last comment is, and will continue to be unless something drastic changes, some argument I was having with somebody about how to fix housing shortages, like the one in California.
I deleted every single comment and post on the seven or so accounts I was able to remember passwords for, and then deleted the accounts. That also meant I got to see about ten years worth of comments and posts. There are some phases of life I'd rather not be preserved for posterity's sake.
Deleted my 9-year account yesterday and never looked back. Reddit has become so toxic these past few weeks and Lemmy has been such a breath of fresh air.
Personally, and I am bias, I think everyone here is nice and chill because everyone who actually dropped Reddit are principled enough to not just say they hate a change and then do nothing about it.
Not for any particular reason, but for a variety of reasons that work together to make it even better.
I have listed just a few of them. Feel free to add to the list as you see fit.
No king of the hill.
No hidden corporate interests.
No karma system.
Rejection of toxicity. The flow of conversation is civil and has a good vibe.
The Federation functions as an engine of accountability.
A bunch of people who actively contribute to making this a good place.
A vocal community that actually determines what content is important.
The initial difficulty to make sense of it all (call it a "barrier to entry" if you will) acts as a natural deterrent to those who are less engaged.
Lurkers who sign up quickly feel comfortable posting.
The ability to sign up for a particular instance and leave if for some reason you find it's going in a direction you do not agree with. Lemmy's decentralized nature saves the day.
The influx of refugees includes experienced people with a lot of knowledge to make this an even better place.
The prospect of a quick release of reputable third-party apps. Since these developers bring solid knowledge from previous developments, their new Lemmy apps will immediately translate into a smoother user experience.
do you have any youtube video that can explain fediverse, lemmy, etc so far the explanation video i have found is already old and not that clear for me
I think the image in the Getting started post was pretty good. Think of it as islands with connections in between. No one owns it all, but moderation within the island makes is approachable and a nice place to hangout.
I can't speak for everyone. I've been lurking for the past couple weeks and just signed up yesterday. The prevailing attitude I've noticed is that people realize just how much of a toxic hog lagoon reddit has become, and are glad to participate in a community that isn't. It's nice to be somewhere that isn't full of bots and doesn't coddle nazis.
I also think it helps that most of the onboarding literature is frontloaded with "this is how federation works" instead of jumping right in to "here's how you sign up and use lemmy." Effectively scares off the reading-averse.
If considering that to be a plus makes me an elitist, I'm ok with that.
This is really such a great example for why Fediverse and FOSS in general are the superior and much healthier way for society's social media interactions to go. Hopefully, some day in the near future, unprofitable social media monoliths like Meta, Twitter and Reddit will be so blatantly exploiting of their user base that even normies migrate to free software alternatives and the era of ultra-capitalist mega-corporations in social media encouraging hate and toxicity will finally be over.
Fair enough. And like you said, if an instance becomes toxic enough, no one will want to federate with them, and users will switch from instances that do to instances that don't.
I mean while that may be true, reddit is still providing a benchmark. old.reddit still works on desktop and mobile, so unlike reddit when it was new, lemmy has competiton.
I think it’s partly a selection effect of who bothered to come here. On the positive end, scrolling All is more likely to show things relevant to me I wouldn’t have found.
On the negative end there are few comments to interact wjth
One time, when runescape did a supermassive bot ban, people began complaining that once crowded areas of the game felt eerily empty now that only real people were there.
Not to say reddit is all bots, but my experience with Lemmy so far has been that it’s less crowded but the people here feel very sincere. Not a terrible thing. Still have more scrolling and reading to do than I have time to do it, and the quality seems even better.
There's a happy medium... where, new people coming in will start to post too much content, but engagement will happen quite often. Where most of the trolls and angry people will still be on reddit and places yonder.
and we'll pass right by it and become the 800lb gorilla.
This moment, right now, is the golden era. Savor it. A Million monkeys hammering out Shakespeare are eyeing the gates, the only thing holding them back is the fear of the word federation.
There is an advantage to that though, on Reddit by the time a post reached my front page it was several hours old and had so many comments it wasn’t worth me commenting on. On here people are much more likely to actually see my comments
I think it’s partly a selection effect of who bothered to come here. On the positive end, scrolling All is more likely to show things relevant to me I wouldn’t have found.
On the negative end there are few comments to interact wjth
On this platform I'm much more likely to actually type out a comment, even when there are a just a couple (or none!). I feel like people will actually read it.
the “active” sorting helps a ton, on reddit if you were late to a post and had something to say you were lucky if anyone ever switched to “new” comments or it was a random person years later replying to you
I asked the people there some stuff and I got downvoted for everything I said and then I said something and they said unironically: whats wrong with being selfish? That made me a bit angry
Reddit is too popular and has too much group think, too many of the same types of comments that will get a lot karma, and too many comments that will just be ignored.
NEW is a garbage dump or a pile of duplicates. So why comment on a new post? It will never go anywhere. HOT is already full of comments, so your comment will just be lost.
Agreed. I felt like I lurked reddit a lot because I felt like my thought was already found wherever I went unless I was the first one to comment. It's nice to see a comment section that is growing but not thousands of other thoughts already in it within an hour or so.
In a post and comment, yes. However your up vote vs down vote counts are not stored on your profile. It reduces the game-ification of the interactions.
I'm already noticing tons of comments getting down voted for seemingly just because people disagree so human nature makes a proper discussion difficult
They don't have the same power over here. Especially on kbin where they pretty much equal "thank you for posting" and that's about it. Boosting is where you become the algorithm and say "I think others need to see this!"
Agreed. On reddit each community has one way it thinks and screw you if you don't have the same opinion on something. People here are more civil and willing to have a discussion over disagreements.
I just hope the alt right doesn’t latch on - but w/ this being the Fediverse we can at least use reason & spin them off in their own little corner.. for better or worse. (Better for us & worse for them)
I don’t know what else is the answer though - they either drag us down w/ them or we rise above it & leave them to wallow in their messed up world views.
If this turns into an Odysee then this will be a very sad place built w/ good intentions.
The alt right already knows about the fediverse and has instances out there. But because this place was built with marginalized people in mind, it's easy to make them go away, on an individual level as well as an instance level.
So what happens is they pretty quickly get stuck in their own little corner unable able to interact with the rest of us. I honestly think removing all that negativity and hatred is what keeps this place a generally friendly and welcoming place.
Realistically, this is one of the reasons Lemmy is so good right now. The masses generally don't put up with alpha software. Honestly, I like it this way. Improvements are good, but there's something about seeing something grow and develop
I know fuck all about coding and software but THIS IS THE ONE. It feels really neat being nestled in the foundation of something that's somehow already cozy. Only visiting that other site to mark which sub FORUMS might migrate over here
Realistically, this is one of the reasons Lemmy is so good right now. The masses generally don't put up with alpha software. Honestly, I like it this way. Improvements are good, but there's something about seeing something grow and develop
In Italy we call it "mountain path behavior": just like in our mountain paths, as long as it is few people you meet you behave cordially and in a friendly manner, but it changes when the number of people goes up.
The reason is federation. People actually happen to be pretty good at holding each other accountable and self-regulating when there isn't a central authority deciding what is and isn't acceptable. Bad actors naturally gravitate toward the instances that welcome them, and then the rest of us defederate from those instances to maintain the peace. Those bad instances then stagnate or fizzle out from the inactivity.
On centralized social media, what stays and goes isn't dictated by the community but a handful of people at the top, and troublemakers are often given a bigger platform than they would have had otherwise.
Mastadon is a lot bigger and older than Lemmy is, and yet it still has the same vibe as this place.
So instances choose which instances to federate with? Does this mean that if my account is on lemmy.world that I’m seeing a selection of what that instance’s owners choose?
Other way around most of the time. Instances choose who to defederate with. If you view all posts instead of local You’ll see posts across the fediverse so long as the instance owner hasn’t defederated. Defederation is also a pretty nuclear option so it’s generally not taken lightly.
Platforms are fun in the beginning because everybody has a voice. This nurtures a lot of creativity and energy. However, as ad revenue starts to flow, advertisers demand that the platform banish fringe opinions and undesirable voices (the magic keyword is brand safety). As a result moderation ramps up, and kills the creativity and energy that made it fun and interesting.
All I can picture for lemmy users right now is an excited dog at a dog park that is just loving life and wants to say high to every other dog and is wagging his tail so hard that his whole ass is wagging.
It reminds me of internet forums of the days of yore that are long gone. People answering each other's questions. No need for moderators to have rules like, "don't call each other names" blah blah blah. It's kind of funny, but you know, the Internet had a dark age when everyone was nicer to each other. Lemmy brings that kind of social interaction back to the fore. In another stream, someone disagreed with me and did it nicely and I learned something. Give me more of THIS. And give me less of people replying with "this"
Yeah, the absence of a slew of editorialized content, obviously being pushed by larger groups, is kinda nice. Like I think I've interacted with more people on here in the past 24 than I would in a week over there
Lemmy reminds me of how Reddit felt between 2008 ~ 2013ish.
There seems to be a disproportionate number of longtime Reddit users defecting to Lemmy and I think that the self-selecting nature of Lemmites(?) is why there are such great vibes here.
For me it's the freedom. No big corp is over my shoulder, No one person is in control. Even if the admin's for lemmy.world go crazy or something I can just make another account on another instance. I'm actually planning on running my own instance but I'm broke so it'll probably for just my friends and I, running on some office PC I find for cheap on Ebay
running on some office PC I find for cheap on Ebay
If you do this, highly suggest VMs so you can host more stuff. There's soooo many options and it's a lot of fun. Home Assistant (/c/homeassistant) in particular has been pretty life-changing for me, but that's a whole thing lol
It's nice people, the culture of Lemmy, and the amount of users
On reddit, if you wanted to chime in on a thread that was popular enough to reach your feed, it was probably too late to make a comment that would stand out, since the people who comment on it early would get the upvotes, reach the top, and drown out your input.
Here at least, the comment sections, number of users, and the way "Hot" is sorted allows people to feel like their input matters, rather than just trying to make short quips to farm the most karma. The lack of a karma system or comment/post awards also helps this, as people aren't as incentivized to just farm upvotes.
And of course, the bulk of Lemmy's platform as of right now is built on people who left Reddit because they cared about their communities, and had strong opinions on how an online forum ought to be fairly run, leaving the more apathetic users behind. Naturally, this means most of Lemmy's users care about their community, and share that common bond.
Absolutely, I'd go to comment on a post, notice there's 5000 comments, and find someone else posted exactly what I was going to comment. I just gave up. I'll have to remind myself to actually participate here.
I really think you hit it on the head with the last paragraph. Lemmy users are basically self-selected for wanting to invest time and effort in replacing Reddit.
Thank god I found Lemmy, because if I didn’t it probably would have only been a matter of hours before I caved and reinstalled Reddit on my phone at work.
The grasp I’m trying to get ahold of is where to locate where everyone jumped ship to? Is there a master list or do you just gotta hunt and hope for the best?
The instance you make your account on doesn't matter, as they're federated you can see and interact with posts from anywhere else.
You can check out the Lemmy community browser to see a list of the most visited communities, then search for them in https://lemmy.world/search to subscribe/post/comment. (note: beehaw.org communities arent accessible from lemmy.world, so ignore those)
Theres a feeling of relief when you find the people (or bots) you once interacted with on reddit.
I mean, its not actually the same people, but when I saw the patientgamers community yesterday, I remember the feeling when I transferred schools expecting I'm going to be alone but theres that familiar face that welcomed me.
It's good because it's lessening the "hardship" of leaving reddit. Imagine leaving reddit and there's literally no alternatives out there that match that format. Imagine if it was just Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Tiktok, Youtube, and whatever else, but nothing else that matched that sort of long stream of post headlines that Reddit has done so well. The others kind of do a similarish thing (post streams), BUT me personally I like this condensed headline format, I don't want to see a ginormous posts that takes up half the page and I have to waste valuable microseconds scrolling past it to get to the next giant post.
I'm an info addict and I want to see twenty posts on a page, briefly scan through them and keep scrolling down, just droves and droves of headlines that I can react to and completely skip past reading the article and go straight into commenting on it like I'm an expert on this thing I didn't even know about 5 minutes ago.
I’m an info addict and I want to see twenty posts on a page, briefly scan through them and keep scrolling down, just droves and droves of headlines that I can react to and completely skip past reading the article and go straight into commenting on it like I’m an expert on this thing I didn’t even know about 5 minutes ago.
There were ups and downs along the way, once I'd figured out the subreddits I was actually interested in and filtering out the stuff I didn't want to see I have mostly had a decent time on Reddit. Spent one year on Apollo and bacon reader then purchased sync 9 years ago.... Most of the complaints of the official app flew right over my head and I was pretty happy about it. I'm still absolutely enjoying this new little bit of the Internet for sure.
Yup. I've been telling my friends whose rif apps stopped working last night that lemmy is like how Reddit used to be. Friendlier smaller community but also feels like people trying to build up something new.
It helps that it's a fairly small community, which gives it an old school internet forum vibe. Hopefully it retains this vibe as the site continues to grow.
I've been on the internet long enough to say it won't. It will last a long time depending on the design of the system that creates the communities (mods, upvotes/downvotes, rules, algorithms, etc), but even that is limited because eventually every community reaches the size it needs to to encourage toxicity, echo chambers, circlejerks, and attracting even more toxic people from outside the communities.
It took reddit many years to start reaching that point though, I hope it takes these federated sites longer. And hopefully due to their design, they can keep most of the toxic people isolated.
sorry to spoil it for u but paradoxically growth could in fact ruin the peaceful vibe of lemmy, maybe to a certain user count.. and then it will start to get worse..user count should be capped at some point and with regular bad user swept, to leave place for contributive people. as much as the content here is cured, userbase need to be cured too..its like harmful weeds that grow in ur garden and that needs to be weeded out periodically
I sort of had an intuition that the people I want to talk to, the people I enjoyed talking to over there, would also be the ones who made the choice to come here.
That's one of the things I've been most excited about so far - it sorta feels like I'm back on an old ~2005 forum again, it's weirdly nostalgic and nice!
Newbie here after RIF went to Valhalla, I really hope this place grows and develops and people stay. I am enjoying it so far it reminds me of ol' forum days and Reddit of old, maybe I'm just being nostalgic but I just want this to work well and hope it's not just a short lived influx!
Haven't really seen nearly as much toxic content on Lemmy as of yet. Might actually start interacting instead of rolling my eyes at every other comment lmao
Oh, there's plenty of toxicity on Lemmy, but it's been fairly successfully isolated to the offending Instances due to active admins. Hopefully that keeps up.
The admins/mods/community have been pretty united in rejecting toxicity. Any maga/racist posters are usually downvoted to hell such that the only positively ranked posts in their communities are antithetical to maga/trump/racism.
I tried a few apps and they didn't work for me at all (Jerboa and Thunder). Just downloaded connect for lemmy and that seems to be working. HAHAHAHA as I was typing this out I got an error lmao
Edit: after getting the error, I assumed it didn't go through and tried to re-send the comment. Connect gave me no confirmation that it had actually gone through and proceeded to give me another error. So now I'm seeing I put the comment twice on wefwef.app. It's wild trying out like 5 apps in one day. Can't wait for Sync to come!
Jerboa hasn't given me any issues, admittedly I only downloaded it this morning. I like wefwef, especially the gestures. I couldn't figure out how to change connect from all to local or subscribed, but that super simple in jerboa.
As I understand jerboa doesn't support the instance specific emotes though currently.
Had a lot of issues trying to use the mobile webpage. Trying the Connect app now and pretty happy. People have mentioned Jerboa and I'll be trying that tomorrow to see which app I prefer. I can honestly say both work better than the official Reddit app. And I have actually given the reddit app a try before this whole mess and found it totally unusable. Honestly as far as app options Lemmy is already winning. Just needs the content and I'm happy.
Yeah, I'm hoping the overall speed of the site improves rapidly. I can't seem to upvote comments and my first comment appeared to get stuck posting until I refreshed the page and it did in fact post.
It feels rough around the edges still, kind of like the early internet. Like your part of something that's still a work in progress. It also feels a little smaller, like if you say something you're more likely to be heard, instead of your voice being drowned in a sea of comments.
Lemmy.world is a bit slow for me RN but given the immense growth on Lemmy, it's to be expected. I'm still on Reddit but hopefully I get to see more niche content here! I read /r/CredibleDefense and /r/CombatFootage, would be great if they were on Lemmy too.
Definitely a better vibe than reddit, and I really hope it stays this way!
The community seems to be a lot more willing to have discussions, and comments don't just devolve into the same lame jokes that get repeated over and over.
I was on reddit about 12 years. Had zero problems. Last year and a half or so started getting banned from communities. It accelerated. Got banned from communities I’d never heard of or visited.
One day I got the old heave-ho from reddit itself, and that was that.
Is that how we're gonna do this? Roll back all our jokes to 2015 reddit memes? Are we gonna start posting rage comics and complain about 9gag again? I'm not complaining, just trying to understand what's coming up.
I think it’s early tech adopters are just excited about something nice and will play nice to try to hero it grow. I remember the early internet being a really nice place.
Instances can get ruined, sure, but the decentralized nature means ruination has to focus on the Fediverse. It remains to be seen how it will get ruined. Like the Reddit honeymoon after Digg's collapse, we get to watch this be the hero until it becomes the villain.
you have to use it through testflight and it’s still a bit buggy but otherwise feels like a slightly less polished and less customisable version of Apollo, which is already high praise.
you have to use it through testflight and it’s still a bit buggy but otherwise feels like a slightly less polished and less customisable version of Apollo, which is already high praise.
I think it's because these are actual communities. The admins are just regular people you can talk to like normally. You choose your community. They're not faceless corporations and I think when a network is a corporation the platform gets less respectful conversation for understandable reasons.
My guess is that people realize that you won’t be persecuted for being civil, and we want to maintain a positive vibe. Lots of us reddit refugees didn’t realize just how toxic reddit had gotten, and Lemmy is a breath of fresh air.
I've only been on the fediverse just under a year, but generally speaking that's the vibe here in general. Twitter migrants said the same thing after they showed up to Mastodon/Calckey.
Been trying to convince family and friends to switch; it isn't necessarily the easiest switch, especially for non-technical people, but I hope it's worth it for them.
It feels nice and warm, that's for sure :) I hope it stays this way but the content grows to where I can use this as my new source of information
Semi-related... You guys have any tips for seeing new popular posts? I have checked subscribed top week, subscribed top day, even month, and then even all for those 3. I feel like I only see new content every 3-5 days. Or is that just because we're still growing and I'm just used to the overflow of content on reddit? lol
I usually use new comments which works pretty well for me but it's not perfect and doesn't take scores into account. I'm sure the hot and active algorithms will evolve over time, will be testing them out as well
I'm curious if the decentralized nature of Lemmy will mean it never gets to be "too big" since users will be more spread out. I know we can all see each other's posts... but still
haha, politics in general are just annoying to talk about cause neither side wants to listen to what the other has to say. But I'm pretty sure there's a politics community you can criticize the president in.
Lemmy has historically been pretty far left so I'm not sure where you're getting that from. People have been criticizing Biden here forever, but maybe just not from the perspective that you're used to.