Trump Medicare pick Dr. Oz says uninsured ‘don’t have right to health’ in resurfaced clip
Trump Medicare pick Dr. Oz says uninsured ‘don’t have right to health’ in resurfaced clip
Mehmet Oz, widely recognized as television’s “Dr. Oz” and President-elect Donald Trump’s nominee to head Medicare and Medicaid, has sparked controversy over resurfaced remarks from a 2013 speech, where he addressed the balance between personal and governmental responsibility for the uninsured.Dr. Oz...
Even the people who pay for insurance don't have rights either.
Americans have eaten at the garbage pale of ideology for so long, they genuinely believe "rights" really are God Given and self-executing. What does a "right" to health care get you without a public health care system?
Who overrules the hospital administrators that would rather shovel you onto the curb than have the physicians in their employee extend you care? Who overrules the AMA when it caps the number of licenses to provide or schools to issue those licenses or lobbies to limit the number of medical centers capable of providing care?
Health care has to come from somewhere. Doctors need training. Offices need equipment. X-Ray machines need electricity. Patients need a place they can go to receive care. As folks from the UK to Cuba to Gaza have discovered, if you're denied the resources to provide the health care you have a right to, it isn't worth much.
The obvious answer is that Medicare for All would be a great place to start in the USA. If not that, then laws limiting the ridiculous profits of insurance companies and regulating payouts would be another option, combined with some kind of Medicare for the poor that is better than the current Medicaid bullshit they have available.
Most of all, ensuring that doctors rather than insurance companies are deciding the care plan would save many lives per year.
As folks from the UK to Cuba to Gaza have discovered, if you're denied the resources to provide the health care you have a right to, it isn't worth much.
Fun fact: two of those three have far better outcomes than the US for profit system and the last one likely would if not for the US government supplying the bombs and political cover to destroy it.
Basically all you've managed to prove is that you're ignorant about the quality and availability of health care in other countries and will compare for profit healthcare to genocide and ethnic cleansing in order to make it look good.
Are you a Bit dumb or just pretending to be?
All of this can be solved with Legislation, and even the shittiest place in the UK has better health Outcomes and Life Expectancy than the average US Citizen
If everyone just said fuck it and stopped paying their insurance, it would crash not just those companies, but domino into taking out the entire stock market.
Like, these companies are worth so much, and they invest in others and people invest in them. If their entire revenue stream is stopped at once that's it.
Which makes it kind of a nuclear option, one I've intentionally not mentioned and haven't seen anyone else either.
But the day may be coming
Corporations mainly pay for health insurance. Imagine employee's reactions being told they were getting cut off. Not going to happen.
Interesting idea, but you’d need to get employers on board. Many of whom are publicly traded companies.
When someone stops paying their insurance, they stop getting healthcare. Most people don't want that.
It's kind of like saying "If everyone said fuck it and set their car on fire, then oil companies would suffer". Yes, but they aren't the only ones who would suffer.
A big salty tear.
Which is exactly why we’ll never have single payer: It would crash the economy and put millions out of work.
Downvote me all you want but it’s the exact reason Obama gave for not pushing single payer
The stock market has survived fire sales before and it will survive it again. Oops we got too large to easily stop has never been cause for anything except getting the stick out and beating them down to size.
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Privatize ALL the health insurance companies.
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Reduce inefficiencies (fire all the parasites that don't do actual work, like the CEO's, etc)
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Continue operations as normal, but now with 100% guaranteed claim coverage.
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Over time, phase out the need for people to "deal with insurance" at all and make the whole thing transparent.
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Just wish the US would get a universal healthcare system like every freaking other developed country in this world. Will never happen. Ugh.
Nah, the Republicans would rather see you spend twice as much per capita (the whole population!) to cover a third of the population via public insurance and then get you guys to then spend money on private insurance and then have to pay any time you need any care.
You know... Fiscal responsibility...
To be fair Kamala was also against Medicare for All
EDIT: Y'all need to learn to Google basic shit before rage downvoting facts you don't like: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-kamala-harris-ditched-medicare-for-all/
It will happen, we just haven't fought hard enough for it yet.
Wish granted. The government is now responsible for paying whatever premiums the health insurance companies demand. But everyone with a social security number is covered.
There's a way of dealing with insurance company CEOs who aren't good people don't worry
Single payer healthcare is so complex to implement that only 22 of the 23 most developed countries in the world have done it.
The US system is grotesque.
The US system is state sanctioned terrorism of the civilian population by the plutocracy, for profit.
Part of the problem for the US is that such a huge amount of gdp is buried in the masses of beauracracy that makes up the US healthcare system, it's essentially acting (economically) as proxy government spending to prop up a failing economy. The average US citizen is so heavily propaganda'd into hating government run projects that the sensible economic stimulus (government infrastructure projects or public services) are well and truly off the table.
What this ultimately means is fixing healthcare isn't just breaking up the cartels, preventing price fixing and untangling the web of nonsense that makes up the US private system... unless you want to inspire a massive crash (which absolutely has real human cost), it also means redistributing government spending and implementing (unrelated) government run services and/or projects to keep all these people employed (which would also mean re-training and potentially relocating) - all of which needs to be done against the overwhelmingly loud voices screeching "government employee bad".
While I agree with the sentiment (where this should be the case), this isn't actually true for some of these countries.
Australia, for example, though not sure if we're included in this 23, we have a private system also.
For all emergency care, it's single-payer. Private health insurance / private hospitals are not permitted to provide emergency care, nor out of hospital car, but all other hospital care is allowed (I am simplifying, as I'm not super clear on it either). Further, private health insurance is not allowed to cover things that Medicare doesn't at least also partially cover.
Sounds good right? Sounds like private health is kept in check? I mean, sort of, but it's still really profitable, and you even get a tax break.
What it doesn't stop, is prices getting higher and you having to cover the difference because health care employees are not necessarily employed by the stat, and can set their own prices (which is either covered by private insurance in hospital, or out-of-pocket outside hospital as private can't cover that).
If you don't have private health, you often have to wait way longer in the public system for non-emergency (but still medically necessary) care, like hip replacements, eye surgery etc.
It's kinda fucked, everyone ought to be in the same queue, and if things are taking too long well then gee, I dunno, pay more / hire more / train more doctors, this doesn't take a genius to figure out.
Healthcare should be provided by the state, in-full, covered by taxes. We (and the US for that matter) have plenty of tax revenue to cover this. And if you're feeling really frisky, perhaps very slightly increase corporate taxes and tax breaks for the wealthy.
So we now have a two tiered system, where the wealthy get care first, or whoever can afford to pay. And you even get a tax break for it.
The US system is trash, and ours is utopian by comparison, but let's not pretend like all 22 of 23 countries have true, universal healthcare.
We don't, let's aim higher haha
They do in other modern countries. Oh wait, except they don't have "uninsured" people. If your government can't guarantee you basic things like clean air and water, protection, health... what the fuck are you paying taxes for!?
Ha ha ha. Pop pop pop.
He really has talent in choosing all his picks. "Ummm who could be the worst person ever to fill this role?"
Being serious, it seems like he picked his people from a couple of pools.
- Republicans with a lot of social media clout.
- People plausibly accused of being Russian agents.
Don't forget name-recognition (even outside the social media spheres.) When's the last time so many cabinet picks were names the average American already knew? It's not like we're the most informed group of people. Yet out of all the millions of people in the United States, what are the chances that the best people for these jobs are ones the public has already heard of?
Trump has gotten as far as he has by treating his own name like a brand. It's not surprising that he prefers to associate with others who've done the same.
Just think: you all did the right thing, holding your nose at the polls, voting for Fetterman to block Oz. And now you have both of them.
Isn't life already pay to play enough? How much blood can you get from a stone?
They're going to keep squeezing to find out.
I mean we still don't have Soylent green factories and we aren't using teeth of the poor as a cheap source of aquarium gravel yet, so there's still some blood yet to squeeze from this rock.
At this point it's less how much more can you personally pay, and more who can extract the most wealth from you to buy out the competition. They know people are beyond their spending limits.
Delay, deny, depose
Under your plan, UnitedHealth’s revenue from Medicare Advantage would roughly double to $274 billion annually,” the Democrats wrote.
That's the point.
I'd like to see another outcome, like the government withdrawing their contracts due to fraud, but regulatory capture is strong here.
I’d like to see another outcome
It wasn't possible...
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/unitedhealth-group/summary?id=D000000348
They bought Kamala too, even if she won they'd be winning.
Shit like that is what depressed turnout. Moderate Dems just keep taking loses like that because their goal is as narrow wins as possible.
They want to be just better enough than Republicans that they can win. But they ignore that better candidates would easily win.
what he really meant is that non millionaires dont deserve world class health care
Behind the bastards podcast on this piece of shit.
America Last. WTF, the Government of Putin wants an epidemic to break out. How many people in the red run welfare counties would be affected by Dr. Oz's plan? Indeed, a shit ton and they voted for it.
I'll make it much simpler to understand. The only thing putin wants. Is America out of the way. Whatever form that takes. So that he can pursue his plans in Eurasia.
Oz went on to explain that most people have misread the Constitution and Bill of rights, people can have life OR liberty OR the pursuit of happiness. Only the rich will get all three...
It's an interesting perspective on a phrase that literally says "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness".
FFS, this guy thinks it’s a prix fixe menu!
Funny because you can only pursue liberty or pursue happiness when dead. Almost like the afterlife, religion is an instrument of class oppression
What a piece of shit.
Considering that the majority of the GOP electorate is in the bottom-50% of incomes, this becomes very much a “leopards ate my face” moment.
It's neat watching lemmy's centrists acting like they object to the idea of letting people go bankrupt and die, in that order, for insurance companies' bottom lines.
Democrats killed the public option before a single Republican voted on the bill. Joe Lieberman was enough of a Democrat to run for VP, and you don't get to disown him just because he did what you wanted but don't want to admit wanting. And it's not like he did what every centrist wanted by his lonesome, either. Ben Nelson was instrumental in killing the public option.
Biden promised that he was going to revisit the public option. Like so much of what he promised, it was always a fucking lie.
Telling the truth that their favorite political sports team actively hates them just much more subtly always gets them upset.
No matter how much you use their preferred sources, reasoned arguments, direct quotations, there's always someone or something else to blame or they do illogical comebacks and then claim they won. If I wanted that, I'd be a Republican.
It's genuinely bothersome that the defaulted "Not evil party" has a bunch of mindless zombies who will agree with everything like the "Actually Evil" party, but they have enough IQ points to reason their way why they love a party that doesn't know they exist, and would gladly have them removed from the country if it meant a bit more money or 0.1% election gains.
Dr. Oz is a charlatan who's allowed to exist because the vitamin and supplement industry lobbied against FDA oversight and won.
He's the literal product of corruption.
And Snakeoil
And anti-healthcare weirdos don't have a right to anybody ever respecting them.
Did anyone read the article? I didn't really understand it, the way he phrased it. I mean I'm not defending him or anything. He said a lot of other crap, but in the article it sounded like he was saying uninsured didn't DESERVE the right to health, but rather didn't currently(2013) POSSESS the right to health, because they were uninsured. He said that people should be screened for free. Not sure what kind of screening he was talking about but....
Is that the way you read it?
That's not the way I read it, but I can see where you're coming from:
Give them a way of crawling back out of the abyss of darkness of fear over not having the health they need, and give them an opportunity, cause they don't have the right to health, but they have the right to access a chance to get that health.
Comes across as "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" rhetoric to me.
Your interpretation is generous, but let's go with it. So hospital ERs should deny patients without insurance. Let them die, let babies die, let grandmothers die, all because they are poor. That is what you are saying he was saying.
And that, my friend, is immoral bullshit. People like that are a plague on society.
No I get it. I'm not defending the celebrity medic. I'm just saying that I think the title may have been misleading. But quite seriously I found what he did actually say a bit confusing. That's all.
I agree with him. That's why I think we should ensure that everyone has some amount of medical coverage.
I’m no Trumper, and definitely don’t think Dr Oz is the right person for this job, but this is yet another case of words being taken out of context. Watch the video for yourself.
Dr. Oz told members of the National Governors' Association (video below) that uninsured Americans "don't have the right to health," but should be given "a way of crawling back out of the abyss of darkness of fear over not having the health they need." That, he suggested, could come via physicals in a "festival-like setting."
Additional context doesn't make him sound much more convincing.
He literally says "...because they don't have a right to health...". What are all of us missing that you've so handily figured out the context for?
I don’t think he’s saying people _shouldn’t _ have the right health, just that in America, they currently do not.
But that’s just my interpretation and it still doesn’t help qualify him for the role trump selected him for.
can you quote it so i don't have to watch it
