Yes, their platform was weak. But you seriously thought a fascist dictatorship was an acceptable alternative?
Yes, their platform was weak. But you seriously thought a fascist dictatorship was an acceptable alternative?
The people are tired of the Dems presenting them with weak bullshit solutions to their very real problems and being told to get on board because the alternative is worse. The cost of living in America is drowning the middle class and the Dems keep throwing us water wings.
I don't agree that Trump's policies are the answer but I can understand desperate people looking anywhere for some relief.
Drag thinks that not having a fascist dictator who wants to holocaust all the trans people is a strong solution to a very real problem. Drag got excited about the idea of the USA continuing to be a somewhat-democracy where drag's trans friends are allowed to live. Drag was excited about driving Putin out of Ukraine, and drag was very happy to vote for the West Bank not to blow up. Drag thinks all those "desperate people" seem not to care very much about queer people, ukrainians, or palestinians. And if they were only in it for themselves, maybe they could have gotten excited about Harris' plan to help first home buyers. Drag has been seeing memes for a decade about how Millenials will never buy houses, and drag feels that pain. Harris had a plan. It wasn't a great plan, but it was a plan. It seems the voters didn't just lack empathy, but also lacked self-interest.
It wasn't a great plan
You're entitled to be mad at the voters for forsaking their fellow citizens as well as the citizens of Ukraine and Palestine. But that doesn't change the fact that, "not a great plan" wasn't good enough for voters to turn out for the Democrats. Voters are inevitably going to vote for whatever they perceive as being in their own self interests. It's up to the political parties to align with what the voters want and the Democrats have continuously failed to do that.
The ceasefire in Gaza was always bullshit and it was obviously bullshit.
2008- Popular vote (D) 69,498,516 vs. [R] 59,948,323
2012- Popular vote (D) 65,915,795 vs. [R] 60,933,504
2016- Popular vote (D) 65,853,514 vs. [R] 62,984,828
2020- Popular vote (D) 81,283,501 vs. [R] 74,223,975
2024- Popular vote (D) 68,092,002 vs. [R] 72,747,033Trump lost some voters. Kamala lost WAY more voters. Find out why 15 million voters overall didn't vote. Or more particularly, find out why all those voters came out in 2020 and not in 2016 or 2024.
I would say 2020 was more the outlier then anything. Then again, that was right after 4 years of trump and you know waves hands all the crap that happened then.
They took the threat seriously and we really didn't take it seriously again.
Weak platform my ass. Half of the US population is simply too brainwashed to even comprehend what Kamala offered them.
Other then not Trump (a fair offer to be honest) what did she offer voters? She seemed to run on a status quo platform.
Half the population can't accept basic reality anymore.
Trump lost votes from last election. Kamela lost a fuck ton more. No one became a trump voter, kamela offered nothing to the left and expected support. Do I wish my fellow leftists would of voted for self preservation? Fuck yeah I do. But at the end of the day it's the candidate at fault. And Kamala did everything in her fucking power to lose the left vote. It's the same every god damn time with the Democrats. You want something to focus your anger at? Focus it at the party fighting trump 2024 with Trump's 2020 border wall, military, immigration ass policies.
Blocked the user.
We gotta look Canadian when we go out of the country now.
It's not their platform was weak. It's that they are weak. They hold their tongue while their opponents are jerking off in their face. They mind their Ps & Qs while someone holds a gun to a child's head somewhere in America. They govern "responsibly" while half the government is on fire. There is no sense of urgency, there is no sense of reality, there is no sense they actually give a fuck.
It's easy to stand up there at the podium and wane intellectual about filling the sky with stars and ask us all to "keep fighting" but where was your fight? How did you lose to this with everything on the line?
Why would we fight for a bunch of fish to be thrown on land so we can sit there and watch them flop around drowning in a political environment that is killing them?
Maybe if Trump starts executing them, and shit becomes win or die for them like it is for a lot of people, then maybe they'll start thinking about how to win at all costs (like listening to what people actually want) instead of "we want to win, but only as long as it doesn't adversely affect our donor daddies"
No, they need to be replaced. They're complicit.
They don't give a damn shit. It's all smiles, jokes and smirks nowadays.
I think mama Kamala would've had a way better chance of win if she just offered a simple public apology for force-labouring so many poor people before shifting policies 180°. Instead they do that yesterday, then the exact opposite today and a big laugh in your face.
I might go one further and say "Look, you need to take my platform seriously!" isn't a winning message when the last guy lied about his platform. Biden took office promising a bunch of BernieBro shit - debt forgiveness, climate change reform, prosecution of corrupt officials from the prior administration, voting reform - and then failed to deliver. Obama ran into the same shit after 2008, tanking his majorities in 2010 and then pulling through despite a negative approval rating in 2012, because he did not deliver the goods.
How did you lose to this with everything on the line?
Its easy to forget that conservatives (particularly the heavy hitters) also have a ton of shit on the line. You'll notice Wall Street loves a full GOP House/Senate/Presidency and the market is surging. Crypto is surging. Elon Musk and the Winklevoss Twins and the Murdochs and even Bezos are bullish on the next four years. These people had vast fortunes on the line and they acted like it. They turned the country against the Democrats by hook and by crook, through their mass media and their industrial stoogies.
The Democrats needed their old allies in the labor movement to push back. They needed teachers and university students. They needed the urban professional class. But after Biden sold out the rail unions and failed to support service sector or aerospace or even the fucking Postal Service? After he flubbed debt forgiveness for college grads? After he let state governments (in Red and Blue states alike) run roughshod over public education? Who was left?
Dems immolated their own base, chasing the traditionally conservative upper middle class white homeowners. Schumer promised that every blue collar voter who went to Trump would be replaced by two suburban moms. Oops.
People forget that nationwide elections are ordinarily determined by infrequent voters to begin with.
It wasn't high-propensity voters voting for trump, third party, or abstaining, it was ordinary non-political americans who didn't see a point in voting for a status-quo center-right candidate.
People have been screaming at democrats since at least 2008 that they need more progressive, more radical policies, and they've repeatedly avoided addressing those concerns. Trump ran in 2016 as a moderate. He came out on the left of fucking hillary clinton on the war in Iraq and interventionism. She lost to trump because he maneuvered to the left of her, and democrats still have not fucking learned.
Democrats need to let go of their moderate progenitors and re-build their base from the bottom left. They're leaving millions of voters on the table because they keep hamstringing themselves on a bygone era of popular neoliberalism, and there's nobody left to blame now but the party itself.
She lost to trump because he maneuvered to the left of her
Nobody voted for Trump because he was "more left than Hillary". That's not why anyone voted for him.
I personally know many who wanted the US out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria, and trusted Trump over Hillary to do it. I know no-one who openly wanted the same and voted for her. I myself voted third-party the last two elections before this year, and Biden has only escalated our entanglements in middle-eastern conflics.
Jesus, just look at Biden's rhetoric on Israel and Iran. Its downright bizarely pro-war, pro-genocide(in its failure to remotely acknowlege such is happening), and absolutely tone-deaf to what voters want.
The fact that you yourself have now said what you've said on the topic proves the opposite of your claims. You know no conservatives today, and you mock the notion that anyone is against the war more than you point out any reason anyone should have voted for Harris over Trump.
Muslims were a DNC lock-in vote till now, and absolutely no-one failed to warn them that was changing.
They absolutely were compelled by his opposition to international conflict and intervention - which was a huge part of Clinton's legacy as SoS.
i believe what he meant was that “trump won despite being on left of hillary” which goes against the dnc propaganda at that time that sanders was not electable because america will never vote for leftist views. add that hillary was stupid (or corrupt) enough to not give anything to her voter base while trump did. shows how out of touch dnc had become.
Democrats are now hallucinating Harris supporting a ceasefire in Gaza
Harris Doesn’t Support Arms Embargo on Israel, a Top Adviser Says
At her Michigan Rally two days ago she vowed to do all she can to end the war in Gaza. Granted it was way too little too late. No idea why she waited until a day before the election to say the thing everybody has been wanting her to say since the beginning.
Because she saw that she was gonna lose. Or thought it would fly under the radar to not piss off more but somehow convince others that she meant it?
The Democrats seemed to have thought the election a game that could be won with clever tactics and moves the whole time instead of meeting the challenge head on. Truly a shit show of poor party management.
It's not a war, it's a genocide. The UN is able to call it a genocide. The Hague is able to call it a genocide. The fact that Harris refused to acknowledge it as a genocide meant that nothing further would actually be done.
"vote for a ceasefire" is the ceasefire in the room with us now? Because I'm not surprised people DIDNT vote for someone who was the fucking president but refused to pressure to end a war because it could be used as leverage in an election campaign.
Do you think Kamala Harris was the president, or do you think people are upset that voters didn't vote for Joe Biden?
This is why abandoning the "grocery store" strategy for "trump said naughty words" was a huge mistake.
I find all of this Monday morning quarterbacking pretty silly. Trump was literally fellating the mic and rambling incoherently a few days before the vote. "Strategy," hahah. Nothing Kamala's campaign coulda done was gonna get those 15 million people that chose not to vote, if simply listening to Trump didn't.
The issue is it is a two party system. The Dems ran a safe but weak campaign while people are pissed off at the world. Trump was a colossal ass who is likely to collapse the free world clowning it up at every chance.
This was a referendum on the status quo, and they got a solid no in favor of tearing it all down.
Straight up Reddit tier cope from liberals this last week. If you wanted to win don't turn away 15 million people from your base to pander to a bunch of MAGA voters who were always picking trump regardless. Absolute fucking morons.
Harris wasn't pro ceasfire in Gaza, please stop gaslighting people.
Biden was pro two state solution and ceasefire... So is Kamala lmfao.
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/27/1208694837/two-state-solution-israeli-palestinian-conflict
Cool, I can say I have billions of dollars, and that makes it true then. Look at the actions, not what they say.
Their platform was weak.
They ran an old man with brain damage for most of the campaign.
His replacement spent two months of campaign time telling poverty wage workers to be joyful and didn't even put a platform on their website until a few weeks before the election. Watching that felt very tone deaf and condescending.
The other meme they repeated was how weird Trump and Vance are, as if they didn't already objectively know the voters don't care about that.
They didn't run a good campaign.
2 days before election Harris announced legalized marijuana and 1 day before that she mentuoned she would be ok looking into Gaza more.
Her "first time homebuyers" aid was actually only for first generational homebuyers mainly immigrants and who had rented from a corporate owned apartment complex for 2 years.
Her business aid plan was for people who already had a business operating in specific cities and areas for "black men and others" to get loans. emphasis on "others" being her's not mine.
It was a campaign of protecting status quo first, not people. While telling them they didn't realize how good they had it.
Weak is an understatement.
I don't think old man with brain damage is much of a counter. That is what got elected.
You're not wrong.
The difference is their brain-damaged guy behaved as he always does, where Biden clearly did not.
I won't vote for who supports genocide. Trump may not be better in this regard but at least I won't reward to those who already aided in it. Next time they should learn to do better.
You are complicit. You're not above this.
Cool and we get genocide 2.0 instead
In what way? Israel already has a free check and a shield to do whatever they want.
There won't be a next time. Congratulations, shit stain. You get to pay yourself on the back for your "morals" while the country burns to the ground.
I say "morals" because fucking obviously the moral thing to do is prevent Nazi Germany 2.0 from happening. But no. You get to pretend like you're a good person. But you're not. You let fascists take control and countless people will die at the hand of non-voters like you. You and everyone like you are deplorable in every sense of the word and you have no right to claim moral superiority.
This is how I feel, thank you for putting it eloquently. These "moral high ground" people are no better than the MAGA they enabled. It's sickening.
Nazi Germany 2.0 is already happening. Palestinians are being genocided as we speak. But it seems their blood is too cheap for you to care.
You're so delusional anyways about your 2.0 world. Don't blame me, blame the democrats for supporting and committing genocide. Maybe do something about that first?
I voted, so keep assuming.
Too complicated for 90% of voters to comprehend.
They saw: Democrat president made my groceries more expensive
They heard: Democrat replacement will do things around the same as they used to be. Republican guy is going to do things VERY differently.
And the herd mentality took over past that point
And that republican guy told them he's going to ramp up inflation. (tariffs, mass deportation) and raise their income taxes (the vast majority of his voters are not 1%). And they still voted for him.
It's exactly why there is nothing but fear and hate blasting across every digital and analog service known to humankind. The United States has literally saturated itself, through it's own volition, in whatever the peddlers were selling. They became the ultimate consumer. When you are literally breathing in the propaganda, cortisol cranked to 11 and the only option on the menu is all or nothing politics this is what ya get.
~75 million chose the devil they don't know and the DNC needs to reflect on that. Or die. Their choice. The rest of us probably won't even get that choice.
They chose the devil they very much know.
??? It is literally impossible for any voter to not know the devil they chose. No, over 70 million voters actively chose to elect perhaps the most incompetent and transparently stupid president in history back into office, but with a well known and well documented playbook this time around on how literally entry metric of American life, from domestic policy to foreign policy, will be made worse to the sole benefit of big corporate actors and 1%ers. A whole bunch of others were too apathetic to be concerned by this.
Voters ultimately made their choice. A lot of folks are going to die as a result, but unfortunately it won't be limited to just the idiots that actually chose this.
You can’t honestly think this is true. People didn’t switch—at least not any significant percentage. I think it was a 1% swing. People stayed home.
The democrats don’t own the votes of people. They swung for the neocons. Leaving the people who’d been arrested for sitting in their schools for not liking a fuckin genocide to sacrifice their values. Again. It’s always on those of us that want better to sacrifice our values to keep the wolves from the door. While the Democratic Party opens the back door for them when they hold the keys anyway.
They are doing the same thing over and over, shutting out even a middle of the road progressive like sanders. And then they expect to hold onto voters who want real change? They can’t promise more and more of the same and then expect people to get excited. This is 100% on them.
People stayed home.
Abstaining is a vote unto itself, and partisans of both flavors are wont to ignore that voting doesn't materially affect the lives of the poor and middle class. No matter who they elect things get worse, so when faced with the choice of missing a badly-needed day's pay and voting, they choose to get paid.
I hated reading this, because it sure seems like it's the truth.
The simple fact is a LOT of Americans don't have the time to do real research. They are entirely reliant on media to break down the complex issues into small chunks. And we know that no longer exists.
Do we expect someone that has to work 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet now and an hour or two helping their children with homework, to also spend hours researching current events and political stances beyond what they can get in 30 or 60 minutes from the TV before they have to go to bed and do it all over tomorrow?
It's even worse than that. They consume media that actively misinforms and lies about the democrats.
I was helping my uncle with his computer a few years ago and got a glimpse of his email inbox with emails about how Hillary Clinton is so evil. And my aunt gets all her news from a website hosted by the same company that hosts trump's social media website.
Things can not get better as long as we allow these propagandists to operate.
Don't forget immigrants and black cities are scary.
Democrats lost worse on 2024 than Republicans did 2020. We judge Republicans for supporting their party after Trump effectively commandeered it but we don't hold ourselves to the same standard when the Democratic party has been shown to be an absolute and abject failure. Maybe it's time we look in the mirror. We gave Democrats three chances, 2016, 2020, and 2024 and they failed to deliver every time. We need to hold ourselves to the same standards we hold Republicans and start thinking about alternatives.
Yes, good thinking. The democrats are losing the vote, so we shouldn't vote for them. And while we're at it, we can continue the beatings until morale improves!
You're right, if we stop voting Democrat we might have a fascist come into power with control of all three branches of government...oh wait, fuck
... maybe we can vote democrat and stop it for a second time? ...wait, wait fuck
... well maybe we can keep voting democrat to stop it happening for a third time I guess?
Democrat supporters are fucking deluded at this point.
Yes, the lesser evil lost to the greater one again, and they and their diehard supporters insist on learning nothing.
More accurately, it's the potential voters sitting at home not voting that did it. Republican-leaning people got out and voted, as they always do.
So yes, I totally blame the DNC for being so afraid of polularism that they would basically squander 1 billion in donations for an amazingly ineffective get out the vote effort. Why should I donate to the DNC again?
this voting system is stupid as f@%k though: as a voter, you should be able to sort your candidates as per your preference, not chose pick one and only one
check this out : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method?wprov=sfla1
People didn't turn out much more than they changed their vote.
Drag will amend drag's question.
You seriously thought a fascist dictatorship was an alternative not worth preventing?
I mean okay. That's kind of not how people work. You can hate it, but it's just not how people work. I thought y'all had learned that by now.
RCV
Eh.
We’ve had it since 1919 in Australia, yet we still have the same two parties right and righter.
RCV alone is not the answer.
You’re right. Most people will still vote for the primary candidates, but in an election like this past one where we could have had Harris and a white man on the Dem ticket, RCV could have swung the vote blue.
And no, alone it will not fix the problems, but it’s a key change. Yall have around 20% of offices held by third party or independent. US has none or close to none.
That's because Australia has a system like the US electoral college, but even more granular.
Me: About to buy my first home.
Also me: Trump is going to be president??? Fuuuuuuck. May as well just light this big pile of money on fire!
Aw hell......doesn't matter anyways. Pennies don't melt......
Not only pennies do melt, they are more valuable once molten. It's just illegal to do it.
Ones from 1982 and earlier are much more valuable when melted down.
..................well shit. I spent my teenage years selling weed. I didn't know I could make money burning things!
Also me: Trump is going to be president??? Fuuuuuuck. May as well just light this big pile of money on fire!
Invest in prison stocks. Watch them go to the moon.
More people voted for the candidate I don’t like than the one I do. Democracy is broken. /s
Drag thinks you've misunderstood the argument here. Drag isn't claiming American democracy is already over. Drag is claiming it will be over next year when Trump implements Project 2025.
WASHINGTON, July 27 (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told Christians on Friday that if they vote for him this November, "in four years, you don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good, you're not gonna have to vote."
Trump said: "Christians, get out and vote, just this time. "You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it will be fixed, it will be fine, you won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians."
He added: "I love you Christians. I'm a Christian. I love you, get out, you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don't have to vote again, we'll have it fixed so good you're not going to have to vote," Trump said.
American tears, so salty right now
Yeah buddy, this is not going to affect the rest of the world at all!
Yes, drag's friends who are going to die are crying. You're welcome to make as much fun of them as you like.
Oh, yay. More sour grapes.