Racism Is Why Trump Is So Popular
Racism Is Why Trump Is So Popular
Trump’s popularity with his base isn’t the result of economic anxiety, as many claimed in 2016. It’s about race and demographics.
TO UNDERSTAND THE rise of Donald Trump, you don’t need to go to a diner in the Midwest or read “Hillbilly Elegy,” J.D. Vance’s memoir.
You just need to know these basic facts:
In 1980, white people accounted for about 80 percent of the U.S. population.
In 2024, white people account for about 58 percent of the U.S. population.
Trump appeals to white people gripped by demographic hysteria. Especially older white people who grew up when white people represented a much larger share of the population. They fear becoming a minority.
John Brown didn't get to kill enough slavers, that's why we're all here. We gave the racists a little rope, and now they're trying to hang us with it. Been that way ever since Reconstruction ended.
Opposition to racism must be enduring. It must be absolute. It can brook no compromise, because compromise is tacit agreement to the validity (however small or marginal) of the opposition's point, and racism is based on an absurdity. And when a society starts validating absurdities... well, look at Trump.
and the fact the confederacy was allowed to “live
inon” in memory as heritage, and allowed statues honouring traitors to the United StatesIf you allow confederate statues to honour enemies of the country, why are there no statues honouring the british red coats from the war of independence? Where are the statues honouring soviet spies executed for espionage?
Constructed largely after the cowards were all dead, in the civil rights era. And yet some people still insist that it's 'history' to leave them standing instead of a blatant attempt to cement the United States as a 'White Man's' polity.
Fuck them.
If you allow confederate statues to honour enemies of the country, why are there no statues honouring the british red coats from the war of independence? Where are the statues honouring soviet spies executed for espionage?
Let's make some 9/11 memorials to commemorate those brave hijackers too.
It's fucking absurd, and while I know HOW it got started, I don't know how it got started. You know what I mean? Like, I understand the conditions that led to the rise of Lost Causer nonsense, but I just can't wrap my fucking head around the idea that everyone just fucking normalized it. Like, even if you are a racist (as most 19th century Americans were to at least some degree), what the fuck kind of lunatic country commemorates the 'heroism' of literal traitors and secessionists who killed hundreds of thousands of our countrymen?
Sherman didn't burn enough.
Fun fact: There is a statue in honor of famous traitor Benedict Arnold... kinda.
They fear becoming a minority.
They/we were often the minority but still held all the power.
We're simply terrified that in becoming the minority now, Black and Brown people would start treating us like we've treated them for hundreds of years.
We’re simply terrified that in becoming the minority now, Black and Brown people would start treating us like we’ve treated them for hundreds of years.
That is definitely a huge part of it. And it's total projection like so much else they believe. "They'll get revenge because we would get revenge."
Also, I wanted to say that the more open Trump is about racism, the more he will turn people off. There are a lot of people who are pretty much racists, but they would never admit it, even to themselves. These are people who cross the street when they see a black man coming toward them, but would never dream of saying the N-word and think Martin Luther King had a dream about something involving ending racism and that was good.
Those people will not want to be associated with Trump and Vance the more overt they get.
This is an interesting question - if you're lying to yourself about being racist, and won't condone racist policies and you know, act in a way to not look racist... Like a philosophical P zombie, are you for all external functional (maybe limited to politically) purposes not racist?
All people are racist to some degree. The ability of our brains to perform categorization and pattern recognition are two major reasons why humans have been successful as a species. We can't help but apply those concepts to the people we interact with.
Some people are more fear motivated and gravitate towards the "black people are violent" kind of racism while others tend towards the "Asians are good at math" kind of racism but both are forms of racism. Obviously the first type is going to have more negative outcomes in society than the second but that doesn't mean the second type is not racist. They're both fundamentally generalizations based primarily on the race of another human.
Simplifying complex information for quick analysis is how our brains work and that's essentially what racism is. There is no getting away from it completely.
I actually think a core part of being republican has to do with hating someone and feeling superior to them. It can revolve around sex, education, accent, culture, religion, sexual orientation, government structure, or skin color, but they have to hate on someone. You can plot the generations of conservatives by who they (primarily) hate at any given time.
They have to wrap themselves in their hate-blanket and fantasize about how they'll have their AR-15 locked and loaded when the baddies come around. First they need to be scared, so they make up stories and lies about how "the other" corrupted their children, stole their jobs, took the government assistance, or performed DDOS on their interview, and then talk with friends or family on how evil the other is. Then they get great pleasure in having a big hate-orgy and trying hard to "trigger a liberal" spewing their made up hysterical bullshit.
A short list who's-who hate list for conservatives: communists, socialists, civil rights activists, labor unions, abortion rights people and doctors, environmentalists, academics, immigrants, "the gays" (all LGBTQ+ individuals), muslims, transgender people, "mainstream media". They've got to hate someone.
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That reminds me of the primitive human trait of tribalism.
If you have a group labeled "others", your group will get closer. If you have no "others" to fear, you'll find a way to invent such a group.
It's why I don't think humanity will ever get along unless an external, immediate threat unites us. Aliens or something.
But yeah, it feels like conservative people are just more... "Primitive" in that way. Their fear organ is just more developed.
It's why I don't think humanity will ever get along unless an external, immediate threat unites us. Aliens or something.
What like a foreign dictatorship meddling in your democratic process? Or maybe that's not existential enough - what about an urgent planetary climate crisis caused by a greedy minority trying to steal or planet's limited resources to turn into useless stock?
This is definitely true. It's something I've heard Trump supporters argue about firsthand. But it's not just only racism or the threat of being a minority, but the fear of losing freedom to do what they want according to their own skewed morals. So while a decent chunk of why they think the way they do is sheer racism and fear around that (especially since the start of the BLM movement), it's not the core of the problem.
I believe that this started as the resurgence of toxic masculinity in that Trump showing people it was okay to be misogynistic, racist, and homophobic in opposition to race, gender, and identity politics rising in the 2010s. Women's rights and LGBT people are in their sights as well and, despite their narrative fitting well with fundamentalist religious morals, this seems more like resentment that those movements didn't address their needs or issues. COVID restrictions that they disagreed with fanned the growing fire into the fulblown fascist conservative movement we see today.
So I don't think it's the fact that cis het white people are in lower relative numbers but it's the event of rising social progressivism and more rights for minorities and women that spurred the antagonism of them.
Tldr: Bigots are upset that they didn't get anything out of women's, LGBT, and minorities rights.
I'll agree with you except for the timeline. It started after 9/11, bigotry was far less openly acceptable during the 90s. It just blew up after Obama was elected and social media took off. People were all exposed to the same type of media at the time, and big media companies weren't spreading extremely racist content, other than a few fringe things like Rush Limbaugh. Fox news really took off after 9/11 too.
I’ll agree with you except for the timeline. It started after 9/11, bigotry was far less openly acceptable during the 90s.
I want to disagree with this because bigotry was huge in the 90's, but so was attacking it. Our cartoon's were chock-full of anti-bigotry messaging, but then movies would be the opposite.
I think I, personally, would typify the 90's with saying that one out-group is ok, but only if we all make fun of another one or you're the butt of jokes. IE. You can have Will and Grace, but we're using 'gay' as a word to literally just mean 'bad.'
I think after 9/11 they were still the same old tactic they used in and after the cold war; security theater and fear mongering. But you're right, news and political representatives definitely weren't the completely open bigots that they are today though and I think you might be right about that time period being the start of today's Fox news.
Social media definitely had a profound impact on politics, people's rights, and open bigotry. This definitely gave them the means to have more of a voice with younger demographics but I'll still argue that it wasn't until Trump entered the picture that they were able to really push their narrative and decouple "truth" from official news sources in the minds of many. I don't think I've seen so many people just repeat distorted views of reality at once until then.
Trump showing people it was okay to be misogynistic, racist, and homophobic
Yup. It's far more that racism alone.
It's all sorts of bigotry that Trump has essentially given them permission to stop hiding.
I don't think racism itself is enough for Trump and far-right to succeed, which is precisely why they've combined it with populism and working class rhetoric. Of course, there's still racism like how muslims are being portrayed as violent beasts as opposed to culture white christians, but a lot of it is also things like "immigrants are taking away money from welfare thats why you live bad" or "immigrants are taking our jobs" or "jews control everything and steal from workers" and so on, you know what they say.
Like any good right-wing propaganda, there is a grain of truth in those statements, and it's that economic reality of working class is shit - wages are stagnant, exploitation is rampant and just pure stress when it comes to finances. I do believe that if people's needs are met then the racist rhetoric would lose a lot of its power and people will just stop caring as much as they do right now, but that's very unlikely without any radical action.
His supporters certainly don't mind an awful lot of racism though.
Of course it's not just racism. You got to throw in sexism and other kinds of discrimination. This is not just targeting elderly white people, all this certainly it is targeting many of them. It's also targeting younger white people, and men, for example.
The other thing we should never forget is that Washington is full of sleazy politicians. In 2016, Trump was campaigning as a reformer, and people were hoping that maybe he would magically address some of that corruption. Of course he didn't, but he played on that hope, as reform candidates always do. And once people buy into him, it's easier for them to stay bought in than it is to admit that they got played.
Yes, Trump's shit talking was extremely entertaining during the Republican primary. He brought that up against one of the most despised establishment figures in Hilary Clinton and it was a recipe for victory.
Why? Are minorities treated badly or something?
Dey turk mah jerb
DEY TUK IS JERB!!!!
That true, actually where I grew up there were few orange people, but lately I noticed some people elected one !
Btw I am an antiracist so I will not descriminate but please dear U.S.A. citizens do not vote for this orange guy.
Whenever a group of white people get scared everyone suffers.
Is anyone surprised by this? Trump is the same guy that spent 4 years demanding to see Obama's birth certificate because he didn't think he was a US-born citizen. That was his first foray into "politics" and it established both his loyal base and the tone of his public discourse.
Why are they worried about white pepper becoming the minority? I mean, do we treat minorities badly around here or something?
WHAT? Not Trump! /s
Pretty sure this applies to all right-wing politicians, especially ones of the far-right.
Yepp. Even if they don’t speak to it, they are Trojan horses.
They fear becoming a minority.
They operate under the false beliefs that they already are and that "the libs" bring in foreigners to tilt the vote (which is litteraly not possible) and then "those people get free everything" to feed further into racism. The imaginary bussed in people can't vote or get benefits but thier social circle says so and thats all they need to believe and repeat it.
The triangle of rhetoric is appeal to authority, appeal to emotion, appeal to logic. They don't accept any of it thay didn't come from within thier social group so there is no convinving them and that is why Tronald Dump can say he could shoot somebody on 5th avenue and have them call it fake news despite being recorded.
(Edit x 5 :Why oh why can't spellcheck just work?)
The triangle of rhetoric is appeal to authority, appeal to emotion, appeal to logic. They don’t accept any of it thay didn’t come from within thier social group so there is no convinving them and that is why Tronald Dump can say he could shoot somebody on 5th avenue and have them call it fake news despite being recorded.
This is spot on. Delve into the inevitable "Politics and Religion" section of any old school web forum for white guy hobbies and nine times out of ten it's going to be knee deep in a loud circle jerk consisting of these exact guys whipped into a frenzy over nothing. Look, but don't touch, it's like a buzz saw in there.
Aren't they also the ones loading up all of their undesirables onto buses and shipping them off to more lefterly cities?
Yeah, coz every accusation from them is a projection if some type.
This is exactly what my neighbor stopped me to tell me recently. About bringing in immigrants to vote and what not. I tried to tell him none of that information is true and show him where and why, but it’s really hard to do without making them dig further into their position.
Anne they are now conditioned believe that any media that doesn’t align with them is fake.
Even when you do manage to get one to think and realize the truth their peer group will come down on them HARD for "falling for leftist propaganda" and they will 180 immediately.
Duh.
In 2024, white people account for about 58 percent of the U.S. population.
Especially now that you can "become black."
That said, I wonder if someone like Obama is counted in the "white people" part of that statistic. He should. He's as white as he is black, just like Kamala Harris is as Indian as she is black.
Especially now that you can "become black."
Well, if they're all so scared that white males are the most discriminated against, they should all become black women. Problem solved!
/S, of course.
Not a bad plan! Let's get them to work on it!
Anyway- I am definitely going to enjoy spending the next few months letting Republicans know that Obama is white based on Trump's own ideas of race.
I’d imagine he be classified as mixed race or something since he’s both not either?
It's only in the past few years that "two or more" races became an option on most demographic forms. Even into the early 2000s most demographic forms only let you pick one category so you had to make a choice. The 2024 number may more accurately account for mixed race people but there is no way that 80s number does at all.
Source: was a confused mixed child asking adults which I should pick on official forms and just got shoulder shrugs and hand waving from them.
Three other day, I was reading through the parts of Mississippi constitution which regard marriages and got to the section about race-mixing. It was really disturbing to see some of those incredibly offensive terms merely crossed out from such a legally influential document.
Also, I learned that you have to accept the existence of "a supreme being" to hold any office in Mississippi. Less fucked up, but still fucked up.
Not one drop rule still applies to this day
The average Black American is ~1/3 white (because of all the rape of enslaved women, basically) so he's not that much off the average there.
I don't doubt it, but based on Trump's reasoning, Kamala Harris has an Indian mother, so she's Indian. Therefore Barack Obama has a white mother, so he's white.
Which is why I'm going to keep telling that to Republicans.
Not just racism. His platform was racism AND a magical wall that pays for itself.
I feel like this article gets written every 3 weeks.
we got ourselves a sherlock over here
Yeah when Vance released that book and everybody said you've got to read it It explains the entire mindset of the conservatives. I found a copy and read it. I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop.
The entire f****** book is just an explanation that towns were built around big companies in coal mines and the big companies went overseas in the coal mines closed down. In the way it left drugs and joblessness.
It's not like immigrants are coming in and taking their jobs. And then the entire right is begging for companies to not have any repercussions for doing any of that s***. It's like they think if they're really nice to the companies the companies will be really nice back to them or something.
The whole book is just a poorly written country song that doesn't absolve any of the bad behavior at all.
While I do think racism plays a big role, articles like these that paint a large American section with broad brush like this play a dangerous game.
At this point if you're still supporting Trump, there is little that can be done for you with regards to changing your mind and youll be hard pressed to find sympathy.
But there is something to be said about the rural / urban divide. Small town America has been left behind - both economically and culturally and somehow we have to reach them. I don't know if it's a failure of messaging on the Dems or what exactly. I also think it's a much broader issue than just 'racism'.
From skimming this, there seems to be nothing in there not debunked in 2016 by https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/
Another way to look at this is that you've linked to an article that necessarily lacks the entire last eight years of context necessary to discuss an article written in 2024. Please, join the rest of us in our current reality if you want to discuss what's happening now.
he's not popular. he's super unpopular. he was the biggest energizer for democratic voter turnout despite a super unpopular and boring democratic candidate. even when he won the election he lost the popular vote. just because US elections are very antidemocratic doesn't mean he's popular. stop making shit up.
1000% true.
The elderly need to SIT DOWN. It’s not their planet anymore, and they need to get over it.
You're conflating "elderly" with "racist." Ageism is also a thing, check yourself.
This has nothing to do with “ageism”, which is a statistical idea applied individually. I’m discussing statistics applied to the appropriate population. I’m discussing the idea that a population, which holds no interest in the outcome of a decision, should stay the hell out of that decision. Check yourself.
I have no problem with elderly voting. My question is why do they vote?
This is why the right keeps attacking social security; to keep folks who don’t actually have a stake in the future at the voting booths. Then, en masse, they vote against equality and the very future of our planet’s surface all because of outdated ideologies. Because of their self-centeredness, they hold back progress.
WHY do they vote when they won’t be here to see the result? Do they think the generations that will are too stupid to govern themselves?
Dwell on it a bit.
Fine, we can compromise. Nobody over 75 or under 30 is allowed to vote. Deal?
"No, not like that!"
Lol, I’m over 30. People under thirty have more at stake than I do.
And let me know where I said people can’t vote. I can’t help it if you make up things, now can I?
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