Anyone else banned from world news for criticizing China?
So I made a comment on worldnews criticizing Chinese activity in the south china sea and apparently got banned for it by the automod. This happen to anyone else? Is this Lemmy's version of the need help post and the shape of things to come?
There is no point arguing with tankies. They are dumb and they won't change. I just hope there will be a way to completely block those users including their comments. They are polluting the fediverse.
They seem to be really anti-nsfw, so that could be a driving force for improving their instance blocking (and is probably the only reason it exists in the first place).
I just hope there will be a way to completely block those users including their comments. They are polluting the fediverse.
There already is, go to an instance that defederates from them. Or try to convince your current instance to do it. Or make your own personal instance so you're in control of what you defederate from.
Based on what china is
doing to fishing and military boats from the Philippines, I doubt they're just after 'transit'.
They're making a territorial claim. Not much different from Russia's claim on Ukraine, except that its happening in international waters.
This is what OP was banned for. It’s not just the world news community, the admins police wrongthink across the entire instance.
Isn't that the developer instance? Are the developers tanki communists? (I don't believe a real communist would want to support china OR russia since they aren't actually communists)
Lemmy.ml is a tankie instance that loves China and hates western countries. Unfortunately, it's also one of the biggest Lemmy instances because it's run by the main devs of Lemmy (who created Lemmy because they were frequently banned on other sites for bootlicking for China). Thankfully, Lemmy is open source and the nature of how it runs allows everyone to ignore the weird ideologies of the devs.
lemmygrad is a full-on cult, lemmy.ml is its public front and embassy, and hexbear, well, there's plenty of idiots on hexbear, the problem with hexbearians isn't that they're Stalinists but that they think signal politics does anything, hence also their propensity to pile. At least in the past I think they've given up on doing it outside hexbear.
Hexbear is just the exodus of ChapoTrapHouse and a few affiliated sites from when Reddit kicked its ban policy into high gear. The Akira Toriyama Megathread and Online Movie Night top-posts seem about as sincere and good natured as anything on any other social media site.
Lemmy.world was the one that blocked me from calling out russian bs. And everyday its nothing but linkerbaan being busy trying to convince everyone that Status Quo Joe is the worst thing in the world bc Gaza.
Yeah. He's an obvious troll. The bigger problem is that when I've called him out in the past, a mod here has deleted my comments for misleading reasons. So it's obvious that at least one of the mods does support Russian bs. Of course, there are other mods who do give him the occasional ban so he calms down a bit.
I've said this elsewhere, but if you're angry about what's happening in Gaza, you really don't want 'friends' like that supporting your cause. One spoilt apple ruins the bunch. It's like if you run a children's hospital that accepts donations from Gary Glitter.
There is nothing marxist about ml or other tankie places. They are just pure authoritarian brownnosers, and couldn't care less about actual socialism. Tankies are purely in it because they imagine they are going to be the ruling class after their imaginary "revolution", exactly the same way fascists are in it for.
The ironic part is that all of the Marxist-Leninists on .ml are actually really bad when it comes to contemporary political science in my experience. They are way closer to anti-western ideologues considering their grasp on modern leftist theory seems tenuous at best. All they know is orthodox dogma and then a bunch of cold war nonsense which has nothing to do with leftist politics at all.
a tankie is someone who tends to support "militant opposition to capitalism", and a more modern online variation, which means "something like 'a self-proclaimed communist who indulges in conspiracy theories and whose rhetoric is largely performative.'
I use this definition. And it perfectly applies to a wide range of lemmy.ml users and moderators.
For those of you asking/ curious, the reason given was 'yellow peril'. Really? I guess my being asian and directly affected by the Chinese activities in the scs makes me somehow a threat to yellow people?
Same. I literally have family in China and therefore a real stake in Chinese society. Meanwhile a bunch of western tankies who have never been to China and don't speak the language hand down bans merely for me relaying conversations I've actually had with real Chinese people in their native language about Chinese history and politics.
It's simple racism to infantilise all Chinese people like this, believing they need a bunch of white saviors on the Internet to speak for them and guard their cultural chastity.
Simply mentioning china or any ethnicity at all is seen as racism to them because grounding reality in anything other than communist propaganda is seen as a threat.
Did you know that if you support Ukraine, the tankies say that makes you racist against Asians? No joke , that’s what I was called. You see, they say, Russia is actually an Asian country.
This isn’t a joke and happened to me. And the people were really really cross with me.
Ok what even the hell is BRICS at this point? It's geopolitical "stop trying to make Fetch happen!" by now, two of it's members are in active decline, one is at the edge of being a failed state, and the other two are about as actually committed to some kind of anti-western bloc as the average American prison is to respecting human rights.
Because the only stance that tankies actually hold is "America bad", to the degree that anyone that is an opponent of America must automatically be good and must be supported at all costs
Just ignore them. They open with ad hominem attacks, or myriad assumptions about age, account credibiltiy based on registration date, nationality vs ethnicity, political leanings, etc. and demand your response. Let them stew in their ignorant hate.
I wrote a comment critical of Chinas actions in Africa, which was silently deleted after it got traction. When I looked at the mod log, my comment was not listed. Checked back on my comment, checked the mod log from another machine. Nothing.
Just silently and covertly removed without any trace of who and why. Has me really suspicious
You mean the comment in [email protected] about "bootleg videos of Chinese foremen in in Africa" that shows in Modlog as being removed by mod for "Racist stereotyping"?
Yes, that one. I don’t mind so much the removal as the odd secretiveness I observed.
Where are you seeing that correct mod log? When I tried looking at the reason the removal action was not in the log, which is what my main issue is/was. I even tried from my phone and computer to the same result
If I make an inappropriate comment (in the heat of the moment) in whatever community it’s totally fine if they remove it but I would at least like to know why.
Sorry about that mate. I don't think Lemmy sucks or anything. But I just hope it's not going down reddits unfettered moderator powers and getting banned without recourse. Kinda feels like it may be headed there.
The abuse of power is instance-specific, fortunately. The whole point of all this is that there are multiple instances. Just ignore the ones that are run by tankies, those instances are theirs to wallow in if they want.
This really doesn't have much to do with Lemmy. If you don't like what you see from a certain instance, go to an instance that defederates from that instance. That applies regardless of what software you use to access the Fediverse, Lemmy, kbin, whatever.
Its strange. When i first came on here i felt that shit was the same as there bc of this. Now? Idk man.... the big difference is the amount of sane voices on here that arent silenced but instead are prevalent. Thats why i dont like the advice of blocking the shitty instances. Young ppl are at risk of stumbling in early, and the trolls/shills need to be pushed back against.
Yes, I posted a ProPublica article about how the CCP uses organized crime to intimidate Chinese citizens abroad and got banned from the entire instance for it.
lemmy.ml? I don't part enough attention to the instances unless they're particularly horrible. But it they're subtly evil, like banning people with non-conformist views, they often slip under my radar.
You Have Been Banned For Breaking The Terms Of Service. Our Terms of Service Are Byzantine And Who Are We Kidding? Nobody Is Manually Administering This Shit. But That Means There's No Appeals Process. So Politely Fuck Off, We're Done Actually Soliciting Content From People. Now We Just Want You Rubes To Give Us Your Money.
I'm confused. Few months ago people were complaining the exact opposite for lemmy.world and to switch to lemmy.ml. Not China specifically, but dissenting views.
lol, apparently I got a temp ban for "misinformation" over a comment saying that Russian-aligned forces at Debaltseve ignored the ceasefire that was agreed in Minsk II
In fairness though it was only a temp ban, and they've never removed anything else I've said (even in that specific thread)
Mine as flagged 'yellow peril'. Now bear in mind I'm asian and have a direct interest in the article and my comment. Maybe the automod just removes reported posts. But really? Yellow peril? Wtf is that even?
"Yellow peril" is a term describing a kind of racist propaganda that solidified in the 19th century, basically saying that either East Asia or specific parts of East Asia (China or Japan, most often) represents an existential threat to Europe / the West / white people / whatever else. Wikipedia has a page on it, though it sticks to the historical context and leaves more recent versions of the same general idea to other articles. That's not to say that you were doing it, though, just that it is an established term
You should have a big bad luck or they got some mods. The number of straight racism towards asians and south Americans I saw in World news made me literally block the community months ago. It was exactly the same as the reddit counterpart.
The Chinese government is downrite evil. I don't understand what mistakes needed to be made to allow a cartoon villain level of tyrannical human rights violating government to be put in place, and still exist.
and you dismissed all the other guys in the thread posting nuance with this vibes-based comment:
Based on what china is doing to fishing and military boats from the Philippines, I doubt they're just after 'transit'. They're making a territorial claim. Not much different from Russia's claim on Ukraine, except that its happening in international waters.
Your account is 4 days old. No one cares what color yankee you are mate.
take the L, read more, and maybe don't only believe western narrative, and you'll do just fine. Youll even learn something.
I reccommend you stick around and read things that challenge your worldview. you dont have to believe everything you read, but you should always critically analyze yourself and your position, just in case.
While I appreciate challenging my worldview, the issue with Lemmy.ml is the users who tend to uncritically accept Russian and Chinese propaganda, and many are very hostile to outside perspectives. If there were open and good faith discussion I think it would be of more value, but instead they just ban anyone with outside perspectives. This type of “discussion” has little to contribute to the broader community.
On this specific issue I really haven’t seen anything that challenges the idea that China is engaging in imperialism here. Do you have any recommended reading that challenges the western narrative?
The issue is also people getting banned for a comment like the one quoted. There’s nothing in there that’s worthy of a ban under any reasonable set of mod rules.
Their comment is perfectly innocuous. Unless they require college level debate and citations for every comment, there's nothing wrong with it.
Criticizing a government for taking an imperial action should never be forbidden. And make no mistake, China's neighbors there certainly seem to feel like China is significantly overreaching.
If you got banned there, that's a good thing. China's not perfect. But its "criticism", is just a retranslation of agressive american propaganda and western chauvinism.
All to brainwash the western people into imperialist warfare. It literally serves the US warmongers.
We can see this even by the crazy comments here full of hate and demonization of Сhina born solely of the fact that the American ruling class feels threatened by China and is invested in vilifying it..
It's extremely annoying and it's fascism.
I don't want this place to turn into a liberal shithole like reddit with "ChiNa BaD" circlejerk. I don't want this place to be filled with bots and idiots who are duped by them, and moderators deliberately promoting fake anti-China news like on reddit. Or censoring any information about China than contradicts the aggressive american narrative like on reddit.
So, yea.
If I were ml mod, I'd do the same thing.
Well, all it means is that you're lib (unless you're lying, or just being a bot). Every country has people like you. Ready to betray their people and country and turn it into a colony of Western capital. But that doesn't mean you have the support of the people or represent the opinion of the majority of Chinese.
Also- "if people don't agree with my anti-china takes and desire to favor the US, they get paid or spy". Typical point of brainwashed american fash who get paid by us rulling class. It's even funnier to hear after how much of an aggressive China-hater you are, whining about being banned. Ban fascists and provocateurs, it's normal. And with your comments you only prove it.
LOL you are such a fool.
It’s irrelevant what you feel about manufactured ‘Western chauvinism’, the fact that that China and other countries are brutal authoritarian regimes is the problem. The people need to rise up and throw off their chains.