Xi Jinping says no one can stop China’s ‘reunification’ with Taiwan
Xi Jinping says no one can stop China’s ‘reunification’ with Taiwan
Taiwanese president Lai Ching Te says he hopes to have healthy and orderly exchanges with Beijing
Summary
Chinese President Xi Jinping reiterated in his New Year’s speech that Taiwan’s “reunification” with China is inevitable.
China has escalated military activity around Taiwan, including frequent incursions near the island and sanctions on U.S.-linked companies over arms sales to Taipei.
Taiwanese President Lai Ching-te rejected Beijing's claims, stating Taiwan’s future can only be decided by its people.
Lai also criticized China’s restrictions on travel and education exchanges with Taiwan, calling for dignified, reciprocal relations based on goodwill and equality.
Totally not imperialism trust me bro.
I mean....It ain't? Taiwan, the Kuomintang, were literally the imperialists. Taiwan was always China but China changed and....yeah modern china should probably leave Taiwan alone because it's literally the old chinese government but 100 years later, but they won't, their government actually thinks in millenia
At some point Poland held Moscow for a year. We need to get it back I guess. We like to think in milenia as well.
It's gross how they always refer to these things as "reunifying".
I got news for you. The Republic of China also uses that same language.
Why isn't that an appropriate term? It was part of China's (Qing) territory from 1684 until the Japanese occupations, and is only disunified because of an unresolved civil war. Taiwan (officially the "Republic of China") considers themself to be China. So why wouldn't their combination be the reunification of China?
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Bro please move to .ml there are dozens of you there
Okay, West Taiwan.
Get the sentiment, but just a friendly reminder that most Taiwanese people don't love the "West Taiwan" meme as it props up the outdated idea that Taiwan wants to make a claim to China, when the vast majority are in favor of just being left alone. This isn't two aggressors laying claim to each other, it's one threatening the other.
Sounds like something south Canada would say.
You mean North Mexico?
Don't do that.
Don't give me hope.
Not North America?
Oh wait…
great so that means the CCP is stepping down and letting the ROC government back into Beijing to govern a reunified China? Excellent news if true.
Reunification? Taiwan was never a part of communist China.
Just because Taiwan was part of an empire that has common roots with communist China is no reason at all.
Let's not use their propaganda and call them communist. Communist leadership wouldn't have fascist allies around the world
man that is a ridiculous amount of lies in very few words. nice show.
Wow, China's propaganda in plain view in this comments section, damn!
Tankies gon' tank.
Yeah, some of 'em. Most of them are just regular Chinese people repeating what they've been told, though. I've talked with all kinds of Chinese people like that, and truly, when I'm not being a dick about it, it is amazing how quickly I can change their minds. "Quickly" here means "in a month". Not during the first conversation. Be gentle.
And these people are willingly kissing his ass. They're not even Chinese people who actually grew up with propaganda, but instead make the conscious choice to believe it.
The quickest way to do this is for the CCP to surrender to the ROC.
Sounds rather rapey when you put it that way, doesn't it?
Very. But I still expect to see plenty of hypocritical leninists ignoring or defending this. Telling us that Daddy Xi is only killing them for their own good. And that if they just lay back and took it that they would learn to enjoy it.
Not that it's ever made sense that they defend certain capitalists. While denouncing capitalism and other capitalist governments.
Imagine being the type of loser that would downvote comments in support of a country refusing to be overthrown.
You’d think we’d have learned by now, but here we are.
Here’s for hoping these kids manage to become aware of their ignorance by the time they hit high school.
same vibe
Definitely not something an imperialist would say.
Yes. “reuninifcation”.
Just like Austria was “reunified” with Nazi germany. 🤮
I mean that was also reunification. Doesn't make it a good thing, but it fits the definition of reunification.
Reading up a bit on the history of China, it looks like the Communists won the war for power in the nation and those who were supported by the West fled to Taiwan.
A better comparison would be if the Confederates fled to an island and retained their independence after losing the American civil war.
You need to keep in mind, the capitalists lost. You can live in la-la land thinking they "should have" won, but that's simply not what happened.
Keep reading, because you haven't gotten it yet. The communists rebelled against the KMT government and pushed them out to Taiwan. The American analogy would be if the south had won the civil war and pushed the north back to, let's say, Long Island.
personally, if the confederates f off to their own island, I would let them stay on that island, as long as they don't spill their influence back.
That’s a lazy and inaccurate take. The Chinese Civil War wasn’t some simplistic ‘capitalists vs. communists’ fight. The KMT was corrupt but not purely capitalist, and the CCP’s victory came from exploiting peasant dissatisfaction and the KMT’s failures, not some inherent ideological supremacy. Comparing the KMT to the Confederacy is absurd—they weren’t separatists but nationalists fighting for control of all China. If you’re going to push historical narratives, at least try for accuracy instead of ideological grandstanding.
K, I don't use all caps a lot, but I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE CHINESE CIVIL WAR.
I will not be a slave to history. My defense of Taiwan is entirely based on the here and now.
K I need to qualify that statement somewhat. History is useful for explaining why the world is the way it is today, and serves as a guide into the future, but it is useless as some kind of long term score sheet.
That's weird, I thought China has currency and all sorts of other capitalist systems.
"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
You mean… “Reunified.” Think of it like Russia’s “special military operation” only with less genocide.
I worry for the future generations of Taiwan and Ukraine. Trump's going to just shrug and let them die.
With the declining population and the slowing down of the chinese economy, he should be more concerned about improving their economy otherwise the Chinese population will give him mussolini treatment.
Didn’t have Occupied China stepping down and recognizing the legitimate government in Taiwan on my 2025 bingo card
If Fascist China thinks the EU and US will give up their largest producer of semiconductors then they're severely mistaken
What do you think they would do to stop it?
So much Death. Just so much. For reference look at the aircraft carrier HMS United Kingdom in World War 2. The world's only unsinkable ship, capable of producing it's own weapons even. Now update that to 2024 with modern, missiles, torpedoes, and submarines. China would likely win a protracted, non nuclear, limited engagement. But not before significant areas in China and the entirety of Taiwan were nothing but a rubble hellscape.
So at the end of the day, the obvious price of death and destruction, even without nukes. But in the past Presidents have made clear that Taiwan is under the MAD umbrella. So non-nuclear is not a given, and of course we all lose in a nuclear scenario.
What do you think they would do to stop it?
How does
"Naval assets filling the sky with a stupidly impossible number of militarized drone swarms using highly classified AI-augmented coordination and cyber warfare which will dump a ton of really nasty crap into an already struggling ocean"
sound?
Because that's the plan, apparently. =\
https://www.wired.com/story/china-taiwan-pentagon-drone-hellscape
They know US can be bought for cheap and EU are too coward.
That's why TSCM now has a chip plant in Arizona, to ensure production.
If Taiwan isn't building attack marine and air drones like fucking crazy right now they are incredible idiots. I would be mass producing that shit like a motherfucker and preparing to blow up the chip factories incase shit goes south.
The chip factories are wired to pop. Taiwan is an awesome country by the way
Yep. China will get nothing of Taiwan's true wealth. OTHO, see why America is pumping chips? CHIP Act.
They don't build the weapons for themselves (mostly), but the US has enormous volumes of weapons (presumably including a lot of drones) already stored in Taiwan so that they can be bought and delivered instantly if they're needed
"Expedited next day (war)shipping!"
Pooh wants his hunny
Seems more like he wants someone elses hunny.
Oh is the PRC going to surrender to the ROC? Because Taiwan was never part of the PRC. For there to be reunification, the PRC would have to give mainland China back to the ROC.
It all hinges upon which government you consider "legitimate."
We can't pretend violent rebellions aren't eventually considered legitimate, good or bad. Look at the US.
Taiwan is China!
China will take back Taiwan!
Taiwan belongs to China!
Nothing can stop China from taking Taiwan
so which is it Poohboy? either it's yours or it ain't. once you make up your mind and decide to stop this weak bitch posturing come and get it. The Navy will be waiting.
I wouldn’t want to be getting into a shooting war after seeing what Russia has got itself into. Fuck, Russia lost its fleet to a country without a navy.
Does Xi think he can keep a land army supplied in the era of drones taking out surface combatants?
It is not the same though.
Firstly, Russians are inefficient and inept as fuck, Chinese are not.
Secondly, Ukraine had a strong support of both EU and the US. Now Trump is going to be in power and this cunt will happily let China take over Taiwan.
Thirdly, Ukraine is 600k km2. Taiwan is 36k.
Everyone in the lead up to the Russian invasion thought Russia had a world class army (besides some analysts like Philips O’Brien). Three day invasion is how many western analysts were spinning it (Michael Koffman is the one I remember talking about this). I think it is a stretch to believe that the Chinese military is any better, especially since their last fight was, what, in the 70s against Vietnam?
Ukraine doesn’t have a giant moat around it. Taiwan does. Amphibious warfare is much much much harder than land based war. Probably by like 2 orders of magnitude at least. Keeping an army supplied in that environment is very very hard and that was before drones made defense warfare extremely effective. The US stopped supplying weapons to Ukraine for a few months last year and they held the line quite well just with their drones.
It's worth noting that there are limited spots you can land on the Taiwan coast for an assault, and they are heavily guarded.
It's a very different war up until they can get and maintain a foothold.
Firstly, Russians are inefficient and inept as fuck, Chinese are not.
Citation needed. The Chinese largely based their armed forces on the Russian model in a somewhat combined effort, so I suspect they'd be just as shit. It will be interesting to see how much of a fight Taiwan gives them.
On the second point I have no doubt Trump won't intervene, however I do find it odd that Musk just finished fucking over the budget bill (whatever its name is) that would have helped fund chip manufacturing in the US just for them to simultaneously hand all Taiwanese chip manufacturing to China. It's almost like they have no game plan...
We have always been at war with Oceania.
He been saying stuff like this for many years.. especially China's red lines "don't visit Taiwan or else.." and nothing happens.
Gotta keep up moral and focus away from things like their economy that's going down 👎
Taiwan has never been your territory, Xi Smallping-energy.
chaser behavior
she already said no, what the heck why are you still trying
That's good, the US military is starting to get bored.
Some military strategists are expecting China to make their move in the next couple years.
I've seen similar reports. They are said to have the highest proportion of military aged men in their population between now and the early 2030's before a big downwards population-trend for the next several generations as a result of the ol' limited children policies. After that it's suspected their resources will be too constrained caring for a ballooning elderly population.
-I'll be curious to see how it all plays out.
This will somehow be treated differently than Gaza
Lol thought it was already a part of China poohpants
*Excited Putin noises
How did this work out for Hong Kong?
The difference being several, one hong Kong is inside of China with its territorial boundaries being only legal and social. Two hong kong actually believed the laws and structure they put in place would hold while Taiwan is under no such illusion
The actual difference is most of Hong Kong was only leased by Britain for 99 years in 1898 and was returned on schedule in 1997.
Who's stopping them anyway? Just do it if you are so obsessed with it.
Uh... Taiwan is stopping them. Taiwan is a country, despite China's constant fucking attempts to pretend it isn't.
So the coup is finally over?
That feel when people here do not realize their own government likely says Taiwan is part of China.
Taiwan will voluntarily reunify with China in the next two decades.
Cool story. Could use some more unicorns though, IMO
How do you know?
how do you think that would happen?
One could just change the definition of voluntarily
' ' ← thought that "voluntarily" might need some quotes
I mean, he is not wrong
Mainland Taiwan will join Taiwan eventually you're right
How do you know?
No one did shit to Russia other than some easily avoidable sanctions. China attacks the US daily in the form of cyberattacks and nothing happens.
If they went and took Taiwan tomorrow the world would condemn it very hard on social media and that's about it, hell, they even did it before with Hong Kong and no one cared.
china is awful but considering you have the president of the us talking about illegally siezing and occupying at least three sovereign territories, the west has no place to criticize.
Ah yes, the west. The monolithic political entity that definitely involves nobody who is critical of Donald Trump's ravings. Trump and his sycophants have no place to criticize thanks to his words and actions. Anybody who gets behind his proposed annexations has no place to criticize. But there's a lot of daylight between those groups and the entirety of "the west", both within and without the US. If Brazil or South Africa want to criticize Trump's annexation threats, their involvement in BRICS wouldn't invalidate that criticism so long as they are also willing to criticize the threatening words and actions of Jinping and Putin. The world is not (yet) composed of 1984-esque political monoliths, and there is no need to voluntarily give up that heterogeneity in order to silence criticism of aggressive and threatening geopolitics
"The West" wasn't fair, but "America" would be. It's not like China is a monolith either. It might be more monolithic than the US, but I guess we really have the wait and see if that holds. Fuck.
You may not be aware, but this is a very tired talking point from the propaganda departments of empires everywhere and I'm so far beyond tired of hearing it. So is everybody. It even has a name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
The empires use it to shut down all criticism of anything they do. That is why everybody here is reacting to you the way they are.
Common sense be damned, they've got a grudge to settle!
Multiply china!