Mr Maduro accused the opposition of producing fake evidence to contest the result of the election and said the US was behind what he described as a farce and a coup attempt.
Maduro and buddies are already saying the post election protests were a CIA coup attempt. They knew this was coming and they tried to get out ahead of it.
The US is bad. Especially when it comes to South America. And especially with socialist countries. The US always sanctions socialism to then claim it doesn't work. Otherwise americans might start to doubt their ultra capitalism.
Not just that, but it's also that Anthony Blinken wrote Israeli propaganda articles since 80s.
If you like conspiracy theories, he may have been familiar to J Epstein, who may have had ties with Mossad (then that whole pedophile operation makes perfect sense as a very efficient way to blackmail a lot of powerful people, and him offing himself makes more sense).
If you don't, the fact stands that Anthony Blinken has acted in the interests of a foreign fascist state since 80s.
This may be a bit philosophical, but South America in general has much more progressive approach to international law than the rest of the world, the Montevideo convention as the most notable example, but also the first country to recognize the Armenian Genocide was Uruguay, and despite all the dictatorships, crime and trafficking I'd say in some sense it's still the least fascist part of the world.
In any case, who in their right mind really believes Maduro won? But I'm sure even Venezuelan opposition doesn't want US to protect them Desert Storm style.
What are you talking about the US has never done anything bad in south America, unless you count Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, ans Chile. Yeah the list is surprisingly short in south America.
*Edit, I'm sorry, I live next to the river, I'm used to spelling the name Columbia because we insisted on spelling his name wrong in the US whereas they kept the Italian spelling in South America, he was still a genocidal asshole who could not have discovered a place that already had inhabitants but also was not even the first European to go there though, maybe we shouldn't name anything after him though technically the river is named after a ship which was named after the person.
People should question the USA every time they talk about South American countries. The same as how people question China or Russia when they talk about bordering countries. Super power will do what they can to influence other countries and historical and recent events make it clear that the USA is willing to lie and defend its lies. So people have the right to not believe the USA.
Sure. When it's appropriate. But it isn't appropriate here. There are third party organizations with no love for the US also making statements about this.
It's not whataboutism, it's good to look at the history and motivations of anyone making claims like election fraud. US officials are saying it's fake, the US has a long history of South American political interference, especially if there is even a hint of socialism.
Did the US remove sanctions on Pakistan on condition that they run fair elections? I ask because I don't know. What I know is that they did so with Venezuela, and yet maduro didn't run free elections.
If Maduro had acted like a good suckup dictator, all of this would be declared "internal matter of Venzuela" and Blinken would have moved on lol.
But no, he had to refuse the US's foreign demands like he has sovereignty or something. Now we actually have to coup him for real this time, and make it look like we upgraded the democracy while doing it.
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But seriously rip Imran Khan. Pakistan had one big chance to save itself and it took the army like 5 seconds and a tiny IMF loan from the USA to burn it all down.
dunno, don't speak Urdu, not close to me, don't know anyone from there, what do observers say? It's just really annoying for Latin Americans to see "gringos" immediately forming an opinion on something they have no idea about and making it about themselves, either to meddle or to dismiss. Listen to other countries than the US and what they are saying, preferably in the local language.
The US removed sanctions against Venezuela on condition that they would run fair elections. Of course they are involved, they need proof to know what to do with the sanctions.
All the more reasons america would want to manipulate the elections. If they stop their sanctions socialism could actually work and they cannot allow that.
I'd say history. But it's not even that. The US is at war with venezuela and always has been. Just kidding it's eurasia. Nah haha but they are waging economic warfare. Well Trump did and Biden continues to.
So should you believe the US claims? You'll have to as your ideological master programmer of course. It's not like you could just use historical facts and make some clear logical deductions!
So yeah it's ONLY a matter of ideology and opinion /s
Oh btw Trump also really won the last US election and Biden isn't even President. It's not like these things are different in any way - one side is right, the other is wrong, and it's only a matter of opinion.
The US and Blinken are notoriously villainous bad faith actors
Maduro is a fascist dictator
The best information I have seen says Maduro lost. I don't know anything about the opposition party, maybe they would be worse for Venezuela, maybe not. It doesn't seem like either party is acting in the best interest of the people, they're stuck with having to choose which axis profits from their natural resources.
lol. You’re arguing that Blinken trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government in the past is a whataboutism to any discussion of Blinken trying to do it again, right now even?
It would be laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic
Y’all cable news watchers use Orwellian talking points without a lick of irony. Wow
You have this idea in your head that because you fully believe your news sources, that I am somehow in opposition to whatever your ideology on this issue is.
My goal is to point out that nothing western media or the US government has said or is saying is reliable on issues specifically concerning Venezuela, for at (the very) least the past three decades.
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Please make your point explicit. Ronald Reagan and other right-wingers opposed the Soviet Union. Does that mean the Soviet Union should have remained intact and counter-revolutionaries in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Poland kept suppressed?
Ronald Reagan and other right-wingers opposed the Soviet Union. Does that mean the Soviet Union should have remained intact and counter-revolutionaries in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Poland kept suppressed?
Evidence was literally uploaded by the opposition, and has been analyzed by multiple news organizations already who agree with their conclusions. Not to mention the exit polls and other available public evidence.
The opposition leader is in hiding (who was barred by Maduro's government for running, among many other tactics with government powers Maduro used to try to tilt the vote in his favor). Maduro has rounded up over 1000 members of the opposition already to try and prevent this data from being gathered and take more political prisoners. The Carter Center, who Maduro government themselves invited as a monitor, said that:
“Venezuela’s electoral process did not meet international standards of electoral integrity at any of its stages and violated numerous provisions of its own national laws.”
The only one fighting transparency and trying to hide results here is Maduro. These tallies were all stored on qr codes. Maduro could have released them at anytime and chose not to. Could have instantly been released the night of the election, as they were coming in if he wanted. Can't believe people on here are still falling for this dictator's bald faced lies.
From what I heard, the government released them on a website but it got hacked and shut down. Now he released them to the Supreme Court and invited the opposition to look at them, but they didn't show up.
I don't agree with them arresting opposing candidates and stuff like that, but I also don't trust the US's opinions on this matter. They've tried to coup Venezuela basically every year and every election lol. The opposition releasing their interpretation of data is like Trumps saying they should've won from their polling data in all the red states. Idk, it's very easy to manipulate, especially with US help.
Because the official evidence is held by the incumbent government. The evidence we do have access to, from extensive exit polls by neutral auditors to the mandated voting station slips (small pieces of paper that each voter is issued giving them the electronic count so far at that station) both track a 60 - 70% lead for the opposition.
In response, instead of releasing the official report, the incumbent government has brutally crushed several protests (even killing protestors), arrested the opposition, and claimed victory. Not exactly the pattern of behavior of an innocent victor.
Just to clarify, the evidence provided by opposition is not from exit polls. The evidence is genuine voting receipts from the machines that are supposed to be* guaranteed to each party's site observers
*Opposition says many of their observers were removed without being allowed access to their polling site receipts to explain why they didn't have them all
The electronic machines provide every voter a paper receipt that shows which candidate they chose. Voters are supposed to deposit their receipts at ballot boxes before exiting the polls.
After polls close, each machine prints a tally sheet showing the candidates’ names and the votes each received. Party representatives stationed at polling sites throughout election day get a copy of the tally sheet, and electoral authorities keep another one.
Prominent journalist and Russia expert Peter Pomerantsev believes Russia's efforts are aimed at confusing the audience, rather than convincing it. He states that they cannot censor information but can "trash it”
The effect created by such Internet trolls is not very big, but they manage to make certain forums meaningless because people stop commenting on the articles when these trolls sit there and constantly create an aggressive, hostile atmosphere toward those whom they don’t like. The trolls react to certain news with torrents of mud and abuse. This makes it meaningless for a reasonable person to comment on anything there.
Fuckin spot on
I would replace “torrent of mud and abuse” with “torrent of mud and hostile opinions presented in the most argumentative possible way”, but yes pretty much
Look around this comment section, and then come back and reflect on that “meaningless for a reasonable person to comment on anything”
Edit: Thank you so much to Kecessa for providing actually credible information - it definitely seems that there’s some election rigging going on.
For everyone who just scolded me instead of just presenting the data, that’s not helpful. When people are asking for data, just either provide that data or don’t. Your opinions hold basically zero weight.
My original comment below:
~~None of this “overwhelming evidence” has been presented to the public. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Opinion polls don’t count for shit. Show me proof of a fixed election and I’ll believe you, but right now this entire thing stinks of the US not getting to control Venezuela and being really fucking mad about it. ~~
I’ve read a few articles. They’re all like, “we have sooooo much evidence that the election is rigged! Just so much!! But it goes to another school, so just trust me bro.”
I’m very happy to be proven wrong, if you have anything compelling to share, please do.
Thank you so much for being the only person to actually deliver what I asked for instead of some bullshit sermon. This looks legit. I will amend my original comment.
The USA has tried to make coups happen in Venezuela like half a dozen times or more over the decades, I just cannot trust anything America says about the internal politics of Venezuela.
Not that it matters what I think, America will do whatever the fuck it wants.
No, I've just seen this kinda thing happen again and again, specifically with Venezuela. Sadly, the nation is getting used as a political battleground, so of course America and its allies are on one side and their rivals on the other.
Plus, the US has a long dark history of meddling in the politics of South American countries, this is absolutely the kind of thing it does to extert power.
All US pawns. They said the same thing about the Soviets who brought a workers' paradise to Eastern Europe until the capitalists finally overthrew them.
Surprised you're getting downvoted. People must have a very short term memory. I'd wait a couple days for them to get full results. It took like a week for the 2020 election to get the full results and that's in the US.
I'm Venezuela you can ask for a receipt of the votes for the place you voted at, the results have been compiled and made available by the opposition, Maduro got about a third of the votes, there's a reason why he hasn't released the numbers already.
I'm on an instance that doesn't allow downvotes and it kicks ass.
But people are goldfish when it comes to politics. They forget how the US tried to secretly arm groups supporting Juan Guaido so they could put him in charge like just a few years ago.
The US wants to open Venezuela's natural resources, particularly lithium, to the West.