Youtube added shorts to the subscriptions page, pushing the subscriptions almost entirely off the page...

They added sort from oldest back! wooooooo. One step forward after being launched backwards into a pile of shit.

You can also use the "zap" feature. Just use the lightning bolt icon to the left of the eyedropper and it'll skip step 4. I also found this to work better because selecting shorts ended up always selecting the entire videos section as well.

I would recommend clicking Preview before Create. You know what will be removed before creating a rule is better.

There are pre-made filterlists that deal with annoyances like this (which tend to end up more reliable as tools that randomize/minify CSS classes get widely adopted), not just on YT but the wider web as a whole. I've written about how to set them up here: https://blahaj.zone/@ShittyKopper/pages/usable-web if you want to take a look at it

OMG thank you ☺️

Some more filters for blocking Shorts from YT can be found here.

I did this years ago when it was added to home, not seen shorts since. Good guide.

Wow cool feature!

I can't thank you enough.

Does this work consistenyl? I tried that with Pinterest's login popup and it doen't work (the element changes every time you enter the site). I ended up adding a filter to remove all Pinterest results from all my searches.

I dont know where I have it from (I think somone on reddit posted it), but I use this in the uBlock Origin Filter since 8 month and it removes all my shorts from the subscription:

www.youtube.com##ytd-guide-renderer a.yt-simple-endpoint path[d^="M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33"]:upward(ytd-guide-entry-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-mini-guide-renderer a.yt-simple-endpoint path[d^="M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33"]:upward(ytd-mini-guide-entry-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-browse #dismissible ytd-rich-grid-slim-media[is-short]:upward(ytd-rich-section-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="home"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-rich-item-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-grid-video-renderer,ytd-rich-item-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-search .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-watch-next-secondary-results-renderer .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-compact-video-renderer,ytd-shelf-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-watch-next-secondary-results-renderer ytd-reel-shelf-renderer
www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] ytd-video-renderer .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-item-section-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="channels"] #contents.ytd-reel-shelf-renderer:upward(ytd-item-section-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="trending"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer)
www.youtube.com##ytd-search #contents ytd-reel-shelf-renderer
m.youtube.com##ytm-reel-shelf-renderer
m.youtube.com##ytm-pivot-bar-renderer div.pivot-shorts:upward(ytm-pivot-bar-item-renderer)
m.youtube.com##ytm-browse ytm-item-section-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-video-with-context-renderer)
m.youtube.com##ytm-browse ytm-item-section-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-compact-video-renderer)
m.youtube.com##ytm-search ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-compact-video-renderer)
m.youtube.com##ytm-single-column-watch-next-results-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer span:has-text(/^(0:\d\d|1:0\d)$/):upward(ytm-video-with-context-renderer)

It will sure break in a couple of month again. It did 8 Month ago and I am sure YT will change the code again at some point.

I do not trust having to many FF Extensions installed from some rando from the Internet, so I like this solution better.

Also with a browser extension. Wikihow has a page on how to do it 5 different ways.

I found youtube in particular to use very generic functionq that are used in other places so blocking something small ends up blocking other things, iirc from the long time ago that I wasn't using piped, blocking youtube premium prompt broke comments or something along those lines

Also DeArrow extension is really good for removing the clickbait thumbnails and replaces them with a simple still from the video itself. It also removes Emojis and special characters from the titles.

Other essential extensions for YouTube for me are (1) sponsorblock and (2) enhancer for YouTube.

Anyone using Arc who needs a boost to block all YouTube bloat, let me know. I created one for myself but haven’t submitted it to the gallery. It hides shorts, suggested search results and some other crap.

I will also recommend blocktube extension.

I use rehike personally, it has the old layout so shorts are barely shown

The new slider replacement.

You can also hide these segments by just clicking the X in the top right corner. It'll hide the shelf (I think that's how YouTube calls them) for 30 days.

Nice one

Same. They can try as much as they want to make it happen, but if people don't want it, people don't want it no matter how much they force them.

Trying to hop on that ADHD train.

This is not a defense of TikTok style short form content. It's just that from time to time, I do enjoy the shorter style videos. Like when I have 5 minutes to kill, watch a few short videos and be on my way.

What I really don't like is that if you choose the app and the last thing you watched was a short, it opens right back up to to Shorts. Very annoying.

Plus they commit the biggest sin possible in video...VERTICAL VIDEO. I hate this garbage trend of everything being designed for phones. Vertical videos suck. They are terrible to watch on desktop. You can rotate your phone sideways, you can't rotate your TV, laptop, monitor, projector, etc. vertical (at least not most of the time).

The shareholders.

I think the UX team is banking on user psychology. Majority of users don't want functionality, they want familiarity. They should feel like they are watching Tiktok.

We should remember that we power users are a minority in social media.

Checkout the Youtube-shorts-block extension which gives shorts the same UI as normal youtube videos.

Basically what the extension does is replace the parts in the URL youtube.com/shorts/"video-id" to youtube.com/watch?v="video-id"

And funnily, the shorts player on mobile has some of those features.

Who asked for this?

Either Susan Wojcicki (ex-YT CEO), Neal Mohan (current YT-CEO) or Sundar Pichai (Google CEO)

I'm afraid it boils down to the significant amount of users, who asked or "asked" for this. Shorts is crazy popular.

My biggest issue is so many of the people I sub that have shorts, the shorts are their normal videos but only a small clip of it. I dont want that, Im already watching the videos!

Press the X? Gotcha! I'll remove shorts for 30 days or until you come back without cookies in 10 minutes.

I don't mind YouTube shorts usually, although my TikTok feed is far better. But last week, my YouTube app started opening to the shorts tab. Infuriating. I'll watch a short if it piques my interest, but that's not what I'm going to YouTube for.

There's an even more extensive filter list for hiding shorts here: https://letsblock.it/filters/youtube-shorts

My local shoppers drug mart does this…

Ah, you've been to shoppers drug mart in Canada I see

And before that, they were in a separate section like they are now, but it had a thing you could click to hide that section entirely for 30 days.

Just because it's less bad than the previous thing doesn't mean it's good.

Would be better if it was possible to hide it, like in home feed. I don't want to see shorts in my subscription feed. It takes so much space.

I actually liked when they were together in single box, everything was ordered from newest to oldest and I had extension that redirected shorts to normal player. With separated boxes I feel like there isn't enough space and now the shorts don't get the 'watched red bar' so I don't know right away which shorts I've already seen, I'm forced to remember the thumbnails now which is annoying.

I do wish they give customization options, so users can decide how to actually use youtube.

oh they moved it finally? i couldnt stand a feed full of annoying shorts making it harder to find actual videos i wanted to watch. i been using an extension for a while and cant go back to what it was then. if at least they are confined to a seperate list its not so bad

I guess your screen isn't 1366x768

This 100%

Monopolies are problematic, of course, but it's more than that. Monopolies, especially in the luxury space, still have to compete with consumers making the choice to not consume at all.

It's more nefarious than that. This is a symptom of "you are the product, not the paying customer". You get absolutely no say in how to product is used, and worse, your experience will actively be harmed if it means the real client, advertisers, get more value extracted out of you.

Y'all just sheep walking happily into the slaughterhouse, thinking the farmer is here to feed and shelter you, and it's just missfortune that the farmer has to put you in some dirty cages, when in fact, the farmer does this intentionally because it's more profitable that way.

Having two factory farms (TikTok) doesn't make the conditions for the animals better. In fact maybe it even makes it worse, as the farms compete to cut costs.

The real solution is a new buisness model. Organic farms... Or payed video platforms, where the solution provider builds the software for the user, not advertisers.

You should use SmartTube Next. It's like ReVanced but for TV.

It is ridiculous! I'm sure it'll do little good but I sent some feedback at https://www.youtube.com/tv/feedback

Yes and that is so fucking annoying. Whag a degen ui designers on yt

It's amazing how much YouTube doesn't understand what people do and don't like about TikTok

the ad based internet, as it is today was never supposed to work as some people will always block ads meaning more ads pushed to regular users and thus more people using adblock until we hit the break-even point and the site is forced to shut down or do the enshitification thing

The thing is that video hosting is very expensive and only large companies like Google/YouTube can afford to do it at anywhere near their scale. You need multiple copies of every video all around the world to ensure they play well for users, with no buffering, and that much infra (servers, storage, high-quality bandwidth rather than just using Cogent everywhere, etc) costs a lot.

Hosting video is expensive?

there's peertube and odyssey but idk how viable either of them are long term. peertube at least is decentralized, not sure if odyssey is too or not

i know Louis Rossmann also posts on Odyssey

Because it has all the good content. The creators are what makes watching YouTube so fun, not the site itself.

Peertube works.

Shorts are cancer yes?

May I ask which extension you are running?

Have you tried pockettube? it allows yyou to create categories so you can bunch your channels together. It's pretty cool.

I'm gonna look into getting some PC client. I already have Revanced, Libretube and Newpipe on my phone.

You can yeet with plugin

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-shorts-block/

I agree with you so much. The only time I ever click on shorts are accidents. I hate them. I don't use instagram, tiktok, anything like that. I don't want to see shorts. They are horribly crammed and well, way too short. Leave me alone and stop autoplaying on my tv.

I'd be open to trying shorts but the video player is intentionally awful. No volume control nor the ability to rewind. Why!?

For me the hide option only appears on the home page version of shorts. I'm stuck with this shit in my subscription feed

I don't feel fond of participating in mindnumbing TikTok worship.

That only happens if you close the app while watching a short.

If you're on Android check out ReVanced. It lets you patch YouTube to disable shorts and even get rid of all ads, bring back dislikes, and sponsorblock. Just have to get an apk since it can't handle stock installs, and also microg_vanced for login. No root required.

If you're on Android, I recommend NewPipe to watch YT. Otherwise, stick to invidious instances, like https://inv.tux.pizza

You just put me on sir. I have been using piped instead because of all the clutter yt was putting in.

I wish this worked on the mobile browser

Well anyway yt search result shows 3-5 relevant results then some shitty sexually suggestive videos with "People also watch this" whuch have zero relation with what I search and further scrolling shows the first 3-5 results again then loop forever

This is the experience on mobile idk web tho

Framing anti-monetization as a "tankie and anarchist" stanice is a bit disengenuos. I know that hosting costs money, but this can be handled through donations.

Not everything on the internet needs to be a for-profit venture, archive.org and Wikimedia work just fine as donations supported NGOs.

Yeah pretty much, quality of community spirals downwards very fast as money becomes a bigger factor. I'm one of the anarchists you mentioned though. I have no interest in monetization of the fediverse and would be willing to change instances or platforms if they allowed that.

Its also funny that you mention it as a "boys club", because in this situation the only people we're explicitly excluding is capitalists. So like, a "workers club" which yeah I dont want to be part of communities that cater to capitalists and capitalism. Content creators can use patron or other more direct methods of earning from content they post here. Capitalist middlemen profiting off of ad placement be damned.

One simple difference between a federated "video service" and stuff like mastodon/lemmy/etc. would be the vast quantity of bandwidth and storage required if the service got successful could push this well beyond goodwill and crowdfunding efforts. The amount of active user a single dollar (or whatever currency really) can support for a text based service, even with image hosting, is way higher than a video streaming service like youtube.

Linux Experiment has been doing a mixed model for a while, and asks reasonably well for Patreon patrons to front the majority of the bill. And frankly, that might be the way forward. Creators putting their introductory content on Peertube and then their best content on curiosity streams. Introduce themselves on the free platform, get the money on the paid platform. But they're always going to at least want to put some content on the easily monetizable platform that's ad funded, and I think that's fine, to be honest. Maybe they even want a three tier model. Intro stuff on Peertube, some of their premium content on YouTube as a preview for what you get if you pay extra, and then the best stuff on the paid platform. You'll see some people who jump from Peertube straight to paying the creator directly, but people always have varying degrees of caring about this stuff and different motivations, and for content creators who really have to put a lot into videos to stand out even just a little, they need to find the model that makes them the most money

Ads are horrible and always ruins the experience severely, since there are never enough ads on a page for the producer to be happy.

I'm not against being a subscriber but I only do that for services that are extreamly useful, like search and email.

The point of Lemmy as a federated platform is that the cost is shared between many people. If hundreds of instance admins pay 10 dollars per month, it's easily manageable. But if one instance becomes huge and needs to pay 10000 dollars per month, there is an issue for that instance, not the Lemmy network.

What if we host the videos at 144p then have the client use ai upscaling to 4k?