Judge fines Trump more than $300 million, bars from running businesses in New York for three years

But it can be paid by a PAC.

So basically the same thing.

I would rather he pay with campaign funds. I don't care how rich he is, I want him to fail in the 2024 election.

For real, look at this shit

"Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological. They are accused only of inflating asset values to make more money. The documents prove this over and over again. This is a venial sin, not a mortal sin. Defendants did not commit murder or arson. They did not rob a bank at gunpoint.

"Some will rob you with a six-gun, and some with a fountain pen," really great to see how far we've come since that was written

But I digress,

Donald Trump is not Bernard Madoff. Yet, defendants are incapable of admitting the error of their ways," Engoron wrote.

"Defendants’ refusal to admit error — indeed, to continue it, according to the Independent Monitor — constrains this Court to conclude that they will engage in it going forward unless judicially restrained," he added.

The ruling also bars the Trump sons — who've been running the company since their father went to the White House — “from serving as an officer or director of any New York corporation or other legal entity in New York for a period of two years.”

So, yeah, I guess the headline was shitting you, because at best it's going to be effectively a two year ban for this pack of pathologically remorseless creeps who the judge admits are definitely going to reoffend. Ain't justice grand? /s

It could be a lifetime sentence!

That's what blows me away. It's not 3 years for being innocent, bc the judge assigned it for being GUILTY!?

Think of it like a three year ban from the NFL. In theory it's not permanent, but in practice it is.

That was my thought. The money is a lot and cool, but we know he’ll never have to really pay it. It won’t change a thing wrt how he’s currently living his life. He could set up a GoFundMe and people would throw money at it like Bannon’s border wall scheme.

The business thing though - with our luck that fucker will still be alive in 3 years, running for president again or some shit, and open up another business in NYC just to spite this and do the fraud all over again.

That's the death of the company. Nobody in his family can run this business now. It'll continue on with someone they have hired to manage it, but the judge will keep his eye on them with the monitor for a very long time.

Because 300m fine and lawyers?

Example of a similar crime of someone spending time in jail, please.

I get denied from jobs with security clearances because I have student loans debt / financial hardships when they run background checks. The president has the ability to declassify any documents... And he has been on recording sharing classified documents with non clearanced individuals.

Security must only impact peasants

Yeah no way is the base going to support a woman and especially one who doesn't kiss the ring.

I think Haley hasn't been tested yet. She might be an utter disaster with the general electorate (remember DeSantis was also speculatively popular in a general election before people actually looked at him).

These lawsuits have actually made him more popular with his base.

The bulk of the fines are assigned to the three Trumps, Weisselberg, etc "jointly and severally".

I have no idea what that means for their individual liability, but it's not exclusively on Trump's shoulders.

Luckily, he's already old and obese, so these three years are much more of a loss than say, being banned for 3 years at 25 years old. With any luck he won't be around much longer anyways.

I would have liked to see a lifetime ban

Three years could be, dude does not look healthy.

Because growing weed is a criminal offense. It probably shouldn't be, but that's how the law works.

What happened here was not a criminal case. So given the limited available punishment this is pretty severe. I mean does the idiot even have 300 million dollars?

That's not common anymore.

I can hear the donation emails and text messages getting typed up as we speak. You know them suckers are gonna pay too!

I'm sure not paying it will leave him with plenty of rubles.

His kids will take over. The trump infamy will carry on.

It's great something has happened, but let's be honest if one of us peasants did the shit he did we'd be in jail for the rest of our lives.

This case involved charges of fraud made against Trump's company by the State of New York. This was a civil case, not a criminal case. The consequences were not supposed to be criminal.

The defamation lawsuits brought by E. Jean Carroll were also civil cases. She was not charging Trump with the crime of raping her many years ago; She was suing him (twice) for lying about whether he raped her many years ago. (She won both times.)

I think I get where you are coming from, though. When a person is rich enough to pay the fine, and also shameless enough to revel in the infamy of being found liable in a civil dispute, it can seem like that person doesn't end up suffering any significant consequence for their actions at all.

$355M is a lot of money. Add in the $83M owed to Carroll and these recent fines top $400M, which is an estimated amount of Trump's liquid assets. Trump is now likely running out of cash-on-hand, which could explain his recent takeover of the Republican National Committee -- the GOP's fundraising (and fund-spending) organization.

Criminal consequences come from criminal cases. Trump has invested most of his legal defense against the criminal cases he is facing. Pending criminal cases involving Trump include:

1.) A RICO ("Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations") case charged by the State of Georgia, against Trump and several others who allegedly conspired to steal the state's 16 electoral votes, including by having the President call (Republican) Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and ask him to "find 11,780 votes" for him. Four people in that case have already accepted a plea deal. This case is currently delayed by a motion to disqualify the DA because she had a romantic relationship with a lawyer her office hired to help prosecute the case.

2.) A federal case against Trump for retaining classified documents. A year or so ago, it was found that former President Trump and former VP Mike Pence had kept classified documents after they left office, and that when Joe Biden left the office of VP in 2017, he also kept some classified documents. Both Pence and Biden complied with federal investigation and surrendered the documents immediately when asked. Unlike Pence and Biden, Trump did not comply with federal investigation, and instead took action to conceal the classified documents in his possession. This case is being heard in a Florida courtroom, because Trump was storing these stolen national secrets in a spare bathroom at Mar-A-Lago. The judge is a Trump appointee, and has demonstrated a tendency to rule in Trumps favor whenever she can, but if she shows too much bias she may get taken off the case.

3.) A federal case against Trump for his involvement in the insurrectionist attempt to disrupt the electoral vote count in congress on January 6, 2021. Trump has been indicted on four charges in this case: "conspiracy to defraud the United States; conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding; obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding; and conspiracy against rights." Trump's defense has been that he has "absolute immunity" for any actions he took while serving as President. This claim of immunity has been denied and appealed multiple times. Trump has now asked the SCOTUS to hear his appeal, but they haven't said if they will yet. Until they do, that case is on hold, but there's no one else to appeal to higher than them. If SCOTUS chooses not to hear Trump's immunity appeal, the lower court's denial of it will stand and the case will go forward.

It's not a criminal lawsuit I don't think jail was in the cards.

My understanding is that it must be paid in 30 days or, if he wants to appeal it, put into a trust or something. Effectively, removing his access to the money until the appeal is resolved.

this is a state court decision. unless there is a federal issue to base an appeal on, scotus can't save him.

There's no question: that is basically a certainty at this point.

Headline at NBC now says "more than $350 million". I imagine it was a typo earlier rushing to get the story posted.

If all of this fuckery doesn't involve some element of back taxes to be collected, I'd be extemely surprised. And the back tax clamping is a fuck you pay me type clamping for sure.

Like that pillow guy - "did a cancel culture on me." LOL