For some reason people seem to think they’re fundamentally smarter than people were back then.
Yeah, you may have technically had a better education, but you’re not inherently more intelligent than the average person back then, and a genius from that time is still miles ahead of you.
Yeah, it's been linked to systemic racist thought patterns (which are often unintentional but should be acknowledged). I explain it to people like this: take a handful of sand and turn your fist so that your palm faces perpendicular to the ground. Now release the sand slowly... What shape does it form? It isn't rocket science.
Ancient aliens literally has Nazi origins. They didn't just have race-science, but race-history. I guess you could call their thinking ancient-Aryans because they believed that impressive structures built by brown people must have been led by a Northern European diaspora who eventually vanished because of race-mixing.
You can watch the History channel all you want, but nobody is going to question the Parthenon or the Colosseum. Stonehenge is the only one I can think of where Aliens had to help white people.
I was thinking "three ridges" first 😅 (I imagined the sand running between the four fingers of my semi-closed fist)
Mind blown
I probably didn't have as good an education as the highest educated classes in most ancient Egyptian dynasties.
I don’t know about that. Intelligence is attractive and it’s a predictor of lifetime success.
It's fair to imagine the challenges a building team would face 2k plus years ago.
Like in this example, building levers that are strong enough to lift the load. I bet they broke a bunch of stuff.
But eventually they figured it out, via trial and error. Levers, ramps, etc. They probably couldn't describe why those things were inherently the best way, but more approached from the "we tried 9 other ways and they suck. This is the best way."
Next, the phrase "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" is relevant here, but in a backwards way.
Since we struggle to imagine what it would take for an ancient society to master the techniques to build these things, we therefore begin to grasp for unrealistic conclusions (magic...read...aliens).
Same goes for Europeans building cathedrals and stuff, the trick is the history, the methods and the results were more documented and understood.
There are some racism concerns that I think go beyond and around what I've discussed, which is more abstract. I'm not discounting the other topics, just not covering them here.
Egyptians didn't just decide "hey, let's build a pyramid". Mastabas were first, the shape of a Pyramid evolved later.
Not to mention that there's a few faulty pyramids (e.g. Bent Pyramid which were finished quickly or all together abandoned before completion.
Merer forgot to mention aliens in his diary too.
But hey, aliens did it. They couldn't just land on Earth. Their ships were designed to land on a Pyramid because that's how intelligent race would build their spaceships. Don't question it, just trust the specialists (who wrote books!).
Anyway, for anyone interested in Ancient Egypt, the best thing out there (I think) are Bob Briers lectures also available on Audible.
Don't know why you replied this to me, but cool links.
I never suggested there's any validity in the alien-pyramid thing, only described how it could have entered the discussion in the first place.
("We don't know what they did, seems hard even for us, must have been magic". Pathway)
Not advocating anything, not arguing anything, no tinfoil on my frog's heads, they live naturally.
The bent pyramid may not have been faulty, but instead had a different internal layout because of it's use in cult worship rather than only burial.
Great video from History for Granite archeologist on the subject.
I like the theories about them being ancient power stations or radio devices, using the water channels and gold cap stone to create enough pd to be useful in occult practices. It doesn't have to be aliens that helped make them but I think there's something the really resonates with the idea of aliens coming down and teaching ancient people how to make super complex and beautiful machines to synthesize small amounts of potent narcotics. Like none of the other reasons aliens would come make much sense but a tiktokable prank like that really does.
Imagine how fascinating it would be if we find loads of old alien stuff on Mars with like little model pyramids and pictures of them with the pharaoh. Or if when we meet aliens and have first contact they got us up with galactic tiktok and people are reposting all the old videos of pranks aliens have pulled on earth over the years.
Yeah they were probably just the biggest coolest looking thing that knew how to make so everyone wanted one, yeah they were probably just dragging rocks up sandy inclones and using water filled counter weights.. but we don't know aliens weren't there so I'm going to enjoy being open to that possibility.
But imagine the size of the lever. And how would they haul it on top of the pyramid? Wouldn't we have found traces of a 500m long lever ?
you mean like they lifted the rock from the ground , all the way up in one trip?
sounds good enough for me. I bet they didn't, they had the aliens lower it with antigravity technology
The constant barrage of Joe Rogan clips of idiots claming it was impossible to move these huge stones over those distances with the tech at the time was what drove me to disable YouTube shorts.
You can disable shorts??
I need to do that. I get stuck in a loop of watching them, and 90% of them just piss me off anyway.
i turned off watch history. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/95725.
now i dont get any recommendations from youtube and only watch what i am interested in.
There's probably a way to do it in browser with ublock origin or another extension.
On android, ReVanced.
I use ReVanced on my phone and it has an option to hide shorts permanently. In the browser I use an extension for that, there are multiple ones.
The creation of the feature is what made me disable shorts. If I wanted vine then I'd go back to 2013.
Hey take that back. Vine and 2013 were marvellous times
Lifting it is like 1/100th of the challenge. Moving it across hundreds of miles, cutting it, getting it to the top of the pyramid, and setting it in place are all bigger problems than simply lifting the stone.
I think they started at the top and then built down
they were just trying to find the upper block limit after hitting bedrock
He who cast the first stone built the pyramid
Lifting is the hard part, you can move blocks short distances on rollers, long distances on barges, really short distances by a dozen men pushing
Nobody has so far given you a serious answer, so:
Cutting - They only had IIRC bronze, which is not enough on its own to cut through the granite. However using sand to add friction makes it cut significant faster/easier.
Moving miles - Boats are incredibly capable of carrying heavy loads with minimal energy expenditure to move said boat. Using logs and levers also goes far.
Getting to the too of the pyramid, that's a little more of a mystery. But there is evidence they included ramps within the structure as they built the bigger ones as they went. And IIRC the smaller ones had pulley systems going through the center.
It doesn't require fancy tech, just of patience and application of basic physics.
Here is a guy using some of the basic movement techniques in his backyard with multi ton stones:
If you take the heaviest stone and divide it by a reasonable weight to walk long distances- say 20lbs, you find you need a few thousand people to carry one stone. You need several thousand ropes for each worker, but again each rope only needs to lift 20 lbs of the whole.
Modern estimates put the number of workers at 10,000. So they just had to carry them.
It's no wonder they didn't document it. Lift stone and walk. What's the big deal?
Slavery: It get shits done.
Moving material gets done via cart, or rolling on top of logs. I had heard various theories for how they got the big bricks up, from rolling up a dirt pile (put into place by, you guessed it.) to building a waterproof chute with the bricks in it on a raft, and just filling the chute with water to make the raft go up.
The pyramids were not built by slaves.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt
The masonry had to have been done by professionals. The blocks fit together with such precision. Even today it would be an architectural feat to be able to cut and place 15+ ton blocks with millimeters-thick tolerances.
Pretty sure the Egyptians were smart enough. But the European cathedrals cannot be explained w/o aliens
Great Wall of China? Come-on, no body can do that. And its not aliens, its GOD, who show favors protecting his favorite people, the Chinese.
Not to mention the Chrysler tower. Def aliens
But we all know the lever was invented by Jayzus Christ in America when Washington and Lincoln were reading the Bible and praying together!
There's a whole chapter on levers called Leviticus
Amen.
"Give me a place to stand, and a lever long enough, and I will move the world,"
A couple years ago my chemistry teacher told my class that the Egyptians had really advanced technology (technology even more advanced than our own) thousands of years ago but it all got lost because they started a nuclear war
Edit: she told us that the evidence was that there were smartphone paintings
Sounds like he was sneaking sniffs in the flammable cabinet a little too often.
Pfff I'm sorry but no, it was the cats.
You see cats have powers similar to Telekinesis. Why do you think they choose rivers surrounded by deserts to start the first civilizations. Sandboxes everywhere they please.
But one dark day the Faraó Ramses forgot to refil the food pile because and I quote "but it still had food from yesterday".
This one mistake doomed humanity to the eternal silence treatment.
(and that's why his tomb sucked, his was the first that humans actually had to build)
I do really enjoy the theory that the great pyramids are actually industrial reactant chambers.
“Give me a place to stand, and a lever long enough, and I will move the world. ”
- Archimedes
Actually I was listening to a podcast that explains this. They didn't have levers yet. They did have other devices but no lever.
But others have levers
I know how they're built because I watch Witual. Internal ramp theory babeeee!
The great pyramid of Giza weighs around 6 million tons https://weightofstuff.com/how-much-does-the-pyramid-of-giza-weigh/
An average human can apparently develop about 200N https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/ergonomics/push1.html
Meaning that an average human would need a lever about 3×10^8 m long (considering a 1 metre load arm) to move the pyramid.
Do you find this credible?
ETA: some people think I'm serious. This is quite the flabbergast.
Don't worry I got what you were putting down. People can be very reactionary with their downvotes here, if your joke is too subtle it can fly over their heads.
It made me smirk! For my reference, how many zeros is that (I'm shit at maths but want to try and imagine such a long lever protruding into deep space)?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say i don't think they found the pyramid whole and moved the entire thing. I think they took small pieces, possibly block shaped and moved those one at a time
I would never have thought of that! But I still don't understand how these satanic Duplo work, so who am I to judge
The ancient Egyptians utilized neither wheels nor work animals for the majority of the pyramid-building era, so the giant blocks, weighing 2.5 tons on average, had to be moved through human muscle power alone. But until recently, nobody really knew how. The answer, it seems, is simply water. Evidence suggests that the blocks were first levered onto wooden sleds and then hauled up ramps made of sand. However, dry sand piles up in front of a moving sled, increasing friction until the sled is nearly impossible to pull. Wet sand reduces friction dramatically beneath the sled runners, eliminating the sand piles and making it possible for a team of people to move massive objects.
https://daily.jstor.org/scientists-have-an-answer-to-how-the-egyptian-pyramids-were-built/
You're gonna need a bigger load arm. The pyramid is way more than a meter across.
How much more? One metre, tops?
Nah, we all know the Great Pyramids were part of the “Giza Mass Autism Array” fired during the Finno-Korean Hyperwar. RIP Finnish social skills
were part of the “Giza Mass Autism Array”
*will be part of
remember that the Finno-Korean Hyperwar is going to have been the war where we first learn how to manipulate chronodirectionality.
Ancient alien theory is extremely racist and I am shocked people don't reject it on those grounds alone.
Top text, they built it
Bottom text, aliens built it
Maybe everyone dislikes humans as much as the aliens
You've cracked vertical lifting, now onto moving blocks a thousand miles from the quarry!
Fig. 1
I stand corrected. It all seems so obvious, why do people still disagree?
Now find sticks or stick assembly strong enough to lift a few tones of stone without breaking at the rotation center
Stick assembly is the key thing.
You're not going to find a thread strong enough to pull a few tonnes of stone, but you can easily pull it with a large number of ropes pulled by a few hundred people.
Similarly, a single 8x8 beam as a lever arm would just snap, but a dozen 8x8 beams as lever arms for a dozen levers probably wouldn't.
I'm not saying those are the exact techniques that were used to build the pyramids, but they demonstrate that massive stones can be easily lifted and accurately placed using only "primitive" resources and leverage.
There is no guarantee that the lever would break in any position as particular as the pivot point.
