i think their argument would be that conditions will materially worsen for a significant propirtion of the population, escalating the chances of the working class to become conscious of their chains.
I am absolutely disgusted by this. Basically they are saying they intentionally and knowingly manipulated Palestinian Americans and pro-Palestinians into allowing a Trump victory and the doubling up of the growing threat of a trans, queer and POC genocide among much more violence.
You may have different opinions from me about the third party voters and the culpability they carry, but I hope we all can agree that Jason Call and company here are blatantly evil and have blood on their hands.
Hoping this can be a moment of reactionary leftist unity. Fuck every leader who actively worked towards MAGA. I’m doing my best to organize and do damage control, but not because some dumbass Jill Stein employee told me to. You should too.
honestly, I have this nagging feeling that stein only runs to deliberately split the democratic vote. she knows exactly trumps position on Gaza, facism and capitalism. and she looks the other way either for personal gain, or because she supports trumps positions
Basically they are saying they intentionally and knowingly manipulated Palestinian Americans and pro-Palestinians into allowing a Trump victory and the doubling up of the growing threat of a trans, queer and POC genocide among much more violence.
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I’m not sure where you got all of that info. The tweet and article I read mentions none of what you listed him admitting to saying.
I point this out not because I agree with him; I don’t. I point it out because these types of responses are misinformation, plain and simple. And we have enough of that from everyone else.
Your comment is by suggesting otherwise. If the Green party in the US were actually a serious party, they would be involved in more than just the presidential election.
So please. Stop spreading lies that the Green party is anything but what they are. Stop pretending they didn't contribute to the rise of fascism. Stop pretending they didn't contribute to a Trump win.
And most of all, don't pretend that they didn't know Trump would go all in on genocide.
Remember, when the social democratic Part (SPD) and communist Party (KPD) of late Weimar republic Germany enabled the fascist government of Hitlers NSDAP in 1933. All because they were too focused on fighting each other, thinking that after Hitler, who is sure to fail, they will get greater voter turnout in their respective favor?
Yeah, this here has the same vibes.
Spoiler: they did not get their turn or voter turnout because there was no longer a German democratic state (just to make sure us-americans not well-versed in international history understand)
No, but I do remember the liberal government appointing Hitler because communism was considered more of violence than bigotry.... But hey that breaks your point.
It was the communist Party and the left workers party, so both Sides. Because they communist Party declared the left workers Party AS the enemy rather than the NSDAP, Same with the left workers Party.
And yes to the commenter below, who also did Vote itself into government with Hitler were the conservatives back then.
But Point is, both communist and left workers Party not uniting against Faschismus was the enabling factor for the dictatorship that followed.
this was actually new to me, idk why. literally before today i was aware of the sentiment around stein but never felt i had enough information to come down either way.
Well, she’s a Doctor Who has absolutely no experience in law, foreign relations, or previously elected positions. So yeah, I wasn’t gonna vote for her anyway 
You're right asshat, we didn't "re-elect genocide", we (see: your bitch ass) accelerated it. I don't fucking remember Kamala telling us Gaza was going to be a resort and all Palestinians would never be allowed to return.
Man, it's almost like I was right about all those 3rd party fucks that wouldn't admit they supported Trump and didn't actually care about the people in Gaza.
I can only interpret this message as accelerationist self-hatred. "No you don't get it, we need to burn the country to the ground and have millions die to make our anticapitalist woo woo utopia!"
"Yeah Trump is bad, but we can fight him from the underground we're forced to occupy by the threat of execution or exile, but just imagine the moral bad fee fees we'd have to endure if we elected Kamala! That would be worse!"
JFC....
Earth calling nutjob, Earth calling nutjob do you copy? Don't come back. Stay up there.
Ah yes, move these genocided people's into a little bit of land probably occupied by other people. We've never done that before. And if we have there weren't any problems with it.
No. I appreciate the sentiment but don’t even give this guy that sardonic out. “I want you all to let the leopards to eat your face. I want you to be happy with it.” That’s what he’s saying.
Tell me for what other reason does a "Green Party" fringe candidate from America fraternize with a round table consisting of the likes of Michael Flynn, Vladimir Putin, and Dmitry Peskov in Moscow? Lmao. Suckers.
I and many others have been calling out Stein's bullshit for well over a decade.
I don't think mutual aid and civil disobedience is going to stop things like the $7.4B arms sale to Israel that was announced earlier this week. But surely that is part of this acceptable compromise the Greens made?
It absolutely could but yeah it’s not going to since US activists will likely be more focused in democratic threats for the time being.
This is actually an argument I can’t remember anyone making—that the numerous crimes and atrocities the Trump administration would execute in relation to other issues and communities would distract focus from Palestinian liberation and enable further ethnic cleansing. Maybe that would have been more convincing to Harris skeptics but I don’t know.
You're never going to overcome the moral stain of instead voting for someone who also supports genocide, and works to take people's human rights away, and wants to destroy everything from the public education system to humanitarian causes, and wants to drill for oil everywhere and fill the skies with smoke, and and and and.
Trump’s genocide comes with a golf course and resort for wealthy white people, and maybe an Arab or two if they pay enough money to the geriatric dementia patient in the whitehouse.
Interesting. I really wonder how Ralph Nader is reacting to this. I can't imagine he'd be very proud of this guy. Then again, he cut out of the party after his second run for a reason.
It's absurd for leftists to be talking about Jill Stein when we could be arguing about Hillary Clinton instead. The point is to narrow our coalition till it's pure. (and too small to get their way on pizza toppings)
Seems like a good place to leave my final thought on this matter. Electing anyone other than trump or kamala would have sent an undeniable message of "NO!" To the current establishment. The Democrats do whatever they please just look at how they treated Bernie in 2015, Trump was afraid of Bernie! Meanwhile the Republicans make up stories about "what they want to do is the most patriotic!" Then give massive tax cuts to people that already have more than enough money and work to actually create jobs, but then they have less money so they leave their business minimally staffed with part time crew, and a single over worked manager that's on salary and works 60+hrs a week.
At this late in their game of granting themselves political freedoms like assigning any idiot as any agency head they want(for a start! How big is this constitutional crisis gonna get? Cuz that's how far the Democrats have been over reaching already since there's no check or balance against it!), it's about sending a message that we are still the owners of this country, they are just the current management, and are very replaceable just as they have made sure all of us feel in our lives. Abandoning the parties that just kept doing the same thing over and over making everything worse every time, and actually electing someone that wasn't who the Democrats or Republicans wanted, would have actually changed things, no matter if congress didn't work with them, we can't actually change things to be more intelligently designed in this country when special interests like billionaires have so damn much money, and money is legally protected as free speech, rejecting their candidate rejects theur money as free speecg. Keep electing Democrats and Republicans and things WILL get worse, currently it's a tug of war where one parties infected bandage of a solution gets applied and it seems like things are better for their constituents, only for the positive affects to wear off shortly after the other party takes office, no one sees the issue is bad policy that only makes things worse in the long run, they only see things got better for a stretch then the midterms happened. They have cities fighting rural populations for control of systems the citizens have no idea how they work, because all they do is further tighten the leash around our neck while pretending to be on our side. We failed to put our foot down as a country after Democrats had control of the government but refused to install checks and balances against executive orders, refused to touch Roe V Wade, and simply expected the power would revert to them again. We failed when the Democrats and Republicans worked together to manufacturer outrage from us to get elected, and then never even brought things to a vote so we could see publicly who stands against change. The citizens failed and should feel thoroughly ashamed for their actions. I have nothing more to say on the last election.
Dude just missed the entire Republican strategy...
...do fucking nothing and blame everything on Dems. Then get the trifecta and do whatever the fuck they want.
This has been building up momentum for years. Now that they have the trifecta there is little that the Dems can do within the bounds of the system except drag their feet and file lawsuits.
Viewed from this perspective, the dems have been fighting to hold the line back from fascists for decades and just barely doing so by holding narrow majorities and at least one corner of power.
I'm not convinced that Ron Paul's reddit phenomenon in 2008 wasn't a practice run for Trump. The whole thing just seems so weird in retrospect.