South Korea President Yoon declares martial law

Their parliament has just voted 190–0 to end martial law.

Edit: Yoon has just agreed to hold a cabinet meeting to end the martial law as voted by the National Assembly.

Yes. This possibility has been discussed for months now. Yoon framed the cuts to his proposed budget as an "act of sympathy to the North" in his speech.

Maybe, keep in mind that reporting is going off the information they have. It might be deeper than that. Only time will tell.

I've got to start reading Korean news

How would that vote be held if the original Martial Law declaration banned Parliament from meeting? It seems like a gigantic loophole they need to close immediately before the president or a successor tries this again.

*Kim Chonk Un calls Xi Jinping to secure a bulk deal on military-grade fire extinguishers*

Basically, anyone who does not agree with him now is being labelled a North Korea sympathizer

On the one hand calling your opponents commies has been around since we had commies to compare them to, but on the other Russian influence is on the rise and surprisingly effective.

We just don't get it, he is removing freedom to protect freedom... It's simple... /s

Canada invoked the Emergencies Act in 2022 when the national capital was occupied by a convoy of antivaxers who shut down the city for days. There was some debate as to whether it was necessary and there was an inquiry afterward. The main reason for invoking it was to allow the federal government to use law enforcement since the Ottawa municipal police mostly sat on its hands during the whole debacle.

Occasionally in response to things like floods and other disasters. Though then it's usually local and short lived.

After reading the article it definitely sounds like power-grabbing, but I don’t know much about the Korean Democratic Party so I’m not sure

I think the only time martial law can be seen as reasonable is in an outright state of war. And even then, only when it's existential.

It's kind of inherently the antithesis of democratic values.

In response to full civil war rebellion. This is not that.

Donald Trump: hold my steak.

Dude broke the first three laws of Couping. Control the lawmakers, control the core of the military, control the media. Win these and you control the narrative.

So it was just a little try to get his country back to a dictatorship (with him at the top) because he was too unpopular.

There really should be laws that one must be psychically healthy to be parliament or president.

I'll be honest I had South Korean oligarch class does ridiculous cult shit and causes headlines. Does that count?

Who had south Korea becoming a fascist state?

I don't read or speak Korean but maybe the president ran on making South Korea Great Fascist Again? South Korea only democratized in 1987.

The rat race squid game eventually ends, as it's not sustainable.

We're nearly at the end of the" Lead up to World War Three" chapter.

I can't remember when I came to the realization, but for years now I thought that if (and I would love to hold on to the naive hope that it is an "if") WW3 breaks out then the battle lines would be drawn between the forces of autocracy and democracy. Those would be our sides.

Now, I'm not even sure democracy is gonna make it out the gate... America's elected a dictator who's aligned with Russia who is itself a major factor of this unholy autocratic alliance with China, North Korea, and Iran... Now this?

There were no "good guys" in world war 1. It was the result of squabbleing European powers not realizing the destructive potential modern military technology had and how much that changed the game. It needed to happen in the sense that countries couldn't continue to act the way they had prior to the great war, but that doesn't mean anyone was in the right.

It's hard to imagine "good guys" in world war 3 either. Increasingly, it kinda just seems like it's a choice between "what shit flavor of authoritarianism do you hate less?". Assuming that question even matters considered all the nuclear weapons that could fly in a third world war.

I dunno man, shit's just looking pretty fucking bleak.

We are still mostly in the stage where it might be diplomatically avoided, but if it does start, yes, this will have been a small part of the start of it. Like the last couple of decades to varying degrees at various points. It's still potentially avoidable, but honestly, in some places, it feels like it has already been going for a long time. Currently, they don't count as part of a world war, but if a world war breaks out, they will then retroactively count as part of it. If everything settles down before getting to that point, then these will have been individual events that were largely connected to a similar crisis.

It's not like anyone knew at the time what day world war 1 and 2 started on the days we now consider them to have officially started. For world war 1, there was really no precedent. So they certainly would have had no idea on the day we consider it to have started. Used to take months to even find out 2 other countries were at war, let alone the time it took to them react to that information and muster up support or further opposition. World wars only really became possible once world-wide near instantaneous communication was available. I'm not sure how long it even took to coin the phrase "world war", but they figured that would be the only time something like that would ever happen, considering not only the cost/rammifications, but how widespread word of how bad it was could be with such quick communication.

No one would soon forget the various costs... but then we had a source of motivation that outgrew those costs. So world war 2. At least we knew what to call it this time. People were probably a bit less fuzzy on the day it officially started, but a lot of that would have to do with what country they lived in. And it still eventually mostly had to be hammered out by historians to really figure out what all should be considered part of it.

So, it's still a bit schroedinger's WW3, all these events are in the box waiting to see what they will eventually be called once it's time to examine the contents of the box.

The US was late to WW1 and WW2. Trump wants to go 3 for 3.

But the military seems to be going along with it, blocking out legislators (even from Yoon's own party).

And, uh, the precedent for that isn't good, even if a majority dont support it.

world users not beating accussations of never reading linked article

Not just yet. It sounds like it's him against the rest of the government. Hopefully he can be removed swiftly.

It's not their first time descending into a dictatorship.

He’s using the military to block legislators from making any vote to end this

Yoon cited a motion by the country's opposition Democratic Party, which has a majority in parliament

hol up, just how this happens

He's president, not prime minister. Removing him would require an impeachment, which usually has a higher barrier then a no confidence vote, though I'm not familiar with Korean government.

Not really. It's good for a while when the freedoms of your country are being attacked by another country. It's a way to get a country to be put on pause while military issues are being handled and everybody is supposed to work together in unison. What it's not good for is to use it on local opponents or your own people. So just like any other weapon or tool it should be used correctly by people with good intentions. That's what it's there for anyways. Almost every country has a form of martial law.

The whole "any circumstances" is a dangerous stance, man. Any? Like... ANY?

On the other hand, that may be why the Army let staff members with fire extinguishers keep them out of Parliament. It's a lot harder to get consent for a coup from the military if the rank and file closely resemble the people instead of a separate class.

Different topic a little, but I think a compulsory year or two of service is good for a society.

That said, nations that do it tend to always make it military, when at minimum, there should be a societal service/peace core option, and preferably that should be the common option taken. (help build homeless housing, soup kitchens, etc)

Here in the US, we aren't a society. We have a sociopathic culture we try to reframe as being "ruggedly individual" aka free to die in the gutter alone. Empathy is a bad word here and our elite's children go to different schools than our people. National compulsory service might buy some social buy in.

But we'd rather work against one another in a race to the bottom than lift each other up as a people.

The universe does not revolve around trump. Korea seems to have it's own asshole.

What about them? They were there while South Korea was a dictatorship, weren't they?

Watch the rest of South Korea's politicians swiftly depose Yoon for this absolute fuckery (edit: to clarify, even his own party is lambasting this as unconstitutional). I've never seen a change in leadership, meanwhile, as North Korea has spent at minimum the last 35 years under a dictator imposing martial law in the form of Songun, spending 25% of their budget on the military while millions of their people have starved to death.

Piss off with this disgusting, tankie bullshit.

Edit: Two hours after the declaration, their parliament has voted 190–0 to end martial law. Totally North Korea, guys.