At a campaign event last night, Trump got bored—and weirdness ensued.
The election is in three weeks, and Pennsylvania is a must-win state for both Trump and Kamala Harris, but during a rally last night in Montgomery County, northwest of Philadelphia, Trump got bored with the event, billed as a “town hall,” and just played music for almost 40 minutes, scowling, smirking, and swaying onstage. Trump is no stranger to surreal moments, yet this was one of the oddest of his political career.
This kind of behavior would have resulted in discussion of dementia and Alzheimers if it was a Democrat.
I disagree, I remember how Fox totally ignored Bush choking on a pretzel or pushing on a pull door.
They protect their own and they'll defend anyone with an R next to their name.
If Trump ran as a Democrat, do you really think conservative media would ignore his obvious sundowning and pants shitting?
The actual event is, as usual, fascinatingly cringey.
This is right after the second guy fainted, so trump’s already been interrupted twice, the venue’s tiny, and I think he doesn’t like dog killer Kristi Noem despite obvious commonalities. She was probably insufficiently subservient.
He wants security to open the doors to let fresh air in, but they can’t because of USSS measures to protect his dumb ass. Watch how he loses his mind in rage, suppresses it, and rolls it into his patter in the span of one second.
Then he says hey everybody lets all hear my favorite - Pavarotti singing Ave Maria! (Crowd cheers). The fuck? It gets weirder from there.
I think at this point the Trump ticket is the JD Vance for President ticket. If they win, even if he doesn’t drop from a bad stroke or cardiovascular disease, the team will 25th his ass.
It’s essentially the Vance / Johnson ticket going forward.
That’s what they should do in that situation, but in reality, there’s no chance. The bar is too high.
From the 25th Amendment:
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Trump would have a cabinet full of true believers and yes-men. There’s no way that more than half would be on board to jettison him. The Congressional cure is also a non-starter. If Trump were to win, there would probably also be a Republican-controlled Congress, and we all know that Congressional Republicans have zero spine when it comes to standing up to daddy.
I completely, wholeheartedly believe that the GOP could fight kicking and screaming to get Trump elected and then immediately, unanimously 25 him before the inauguration is even complete. They have zero shame. This is not even slightly outside of their ballpark.
It's an obvious con, but that didn't stop them from doing the exact same thing with their supreme court justices. That was also an obvious con that would not have been allowed in any functioning government.
Republicans don't want a leader. They want a vegetable. Every (normal) Republican runs on limited government, then gets into power and adds government: (Nixon and the EPA, Bush and Homeland security, etc...) Regan came to power and then didn't do any of that, since he had alzheimers and didn't know who he was half the time.
Wait... Ronald Reagan didn't "didn't do any of [add government]" just because no new "three letter'd" agencies got founded under his tenure. In 1982 (or 83... I forget and am drunk right now), he almost doubled spending for the Department of Defense.
Yes. You have to remember you aren't electing Trump directly. You're voting for his electors.
If Trump dies before taking office, the party decides who will take his place.
It's most likely going to be Vance, but honestly it could be anyone.
Assuming that there isn't any fuckery (it's Republicans after all), then Vance becomes President and then nominates a VP that goes through the Senate approval process.
I can't remember the last time this was discussed but it was a while ago.
Well thats why i ask.
You can say lucky us, but at this point in the election, im not so sure.
Between the vitriol and retoric and conspiracy theories weve already seen, the implication of violence and absolute craziness would, without question be enough for me to not hope for anything like that.
But im asking about how the voting public would poll. Would vance get a martyr boost from their dear dead leader, or would an immediately apathetic undecided vote rise up, one that was origionally locked into the trump/vamce ticket. Would it just vanish overnight? I doubt it, but vance remains an amazingly unpopular vp pick. Without trump, where is his ceiling?
he was probably just on shrooms/molly or something similar. the guy is a menace but seriously? knocking a person for vibing out to music because they're sick of the campaign trail? honestly i wish he just did that all the time and left everyone else alone with his racist/facist non-sense.
just played music for almost 40 minutes, scowling, smirking, and swaying onstage.
Context:
Trump called for Ava Maria to be played after a medical emergency put it on pause for about five minutes an hour into the event. He then took another question. Just a few minutes later, there was another medical emergency. Apparently it was a bit hot in the event space. It went off the rails soon after that as he called for the doors to be opened and wanting to play more music to end the event.
At one point he stops to ask if they want to do one more question. Although the crowd cheers and he says we'll do one more, he called for YMCA to be played.
Certainly an odd presidential town hall but definitely not the worst thing this guy has done and in no way did he "break down". Honestly, between the lies and threats to other humans, this might be the most human I've ever seen him. It's really sad to see how delusional these people are.
His choice to play music is debatable. Having watched the video, it didn't seem odd to me that he made these choices. There was absolutely nothing in this town hall to indicate an issue with his mental acuity that has not already been known. He has always been an idiot. This is not news.
There was absolutely nothing in this town hall to indicate an issue with his mental acuity that has not already been known. He has always been an idiot. This is not news.
Clooney put a hit out on Biden for much less.
But the point is to report on this in the hopes that the American people will pay attention. I can only speculate why you want to keep a lid on it...
Pay attention to what?? The stuff we’ve all lived through for the last five ten years??
This report is bullshit. It’s an illustration of the demise of the media and real journalism. It’s misinformation to solidify a narrative.
I know. Most people don’t care about policy - most notability DT. I understand that clicks aren’t gained through real journalism. This is exactly how we ended up with this dickhole to begin with. Every media outlet flooded their blocks with every minute story they could drum up about Trump. This left little time to cover any other alternative candidate. Everyone is obsessed with loving or hating this guy. WTF are we doing? No one is changing their mind about him at this point. How, I don’t know. How the fuck any living human could possibly consider this shitstain for anything more than a janitor is beyond me.
The point is that these stories are misleading. It doesn’t matter what you think about the person or the outlet doing the reporting. We should be more critical of the truth and the mistruths we’re being fed. Had anyone successfully made this argument in 2015, perhaps we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
I think we're at a boy who cries wolf point. News pieces like this are almost a daily occurrence. Those who don't care won't simply because it happens again. If anything it will further galvanize their resistance.
There's a sense that these things must be reported and recorded for reasons of history, but for whatever effect one would like to happen as a result it is probably useless.
As much as I would love to believe that this is evidence of Trump in the throes of cognitive decline, I have to agree. Him standing there and doing nothing for 30 minutes is certainly low energy and cringe-worthy, but it isn't indicative of any kind of mental breakdown and the media and pundits are latching onto this too hard. The dishonestly on display is a little saddening, to be honest. There's plenty of things to hate Trump for without having to make up shit about his mental acuity.
Well, we've tried convicting him with felonies and playing actual tape of him describing rape, which he is guilty of, and no one seemed particularly swayed. So, facts and evidence seem to be out. If it takes a more abstract, personal approach to break the spell he holds half the voters in the country under, then so be it.
I'm seeing an overwhelming number of headlines specifically targeting "cognitive decline". The media is banking on this thread to sway voters to not elect him.
First - "the media" (any responsible outlet, at least) should never try to sway an election.
Second - the people finding these stories aren't going to be swayed to begin with.
Third - Trump has changed News as we know it. Outlets are more motivated by clicks than reporting. Outside a small handful of exceptions, fair and unbiased reporting no longer exists.
Fourth - The "left wing media" is doing the same thing Fox News was doing ten years ago: lying and misrepresenting the facts to fit a narrative. That narrative is needed to compel their audience to subscribe to their social media and newsletters and to repost articles on these forums to generate ad revenue.
The left and the right are both in their own delusions. I agree that those on the right, certainly the far right, are more dangerous to democracy and American values. The outcome of these delusions is different but the formula and the manipulation of the public is the same. The left (which I consider myself a part of), is the frog in the slowly boiling pot.
People need to be more rational and unbiased when reading the news. People need to call out these editors for misrepresenting the facts or making claims that are guesses at best.
I agree with you. This is weird and cringy and not presidential. THIS is the guy we want as Commander in Chief? Still, I could easily see this event happen at a mayoral town hall. I could absolutely see Tim Walz doing something like this. So, from the perspective of the cult that sits before him, I could easily understand them loving this seemingly intimate moment with their false god.
From the eyes of his followers, this event was a win for Trump. That's a perspective a responsible news outlet should consider - not 'how did this look from the staunch left' but how did this look from the desperate right.
The media needs to stop reassuring us this is an easy win for Harris. Stop preaching to the choir that the man is sick in the head (we have known this for ten years). They need to inform us how serious this election is and how devoted his followers are. They should be scaring us, with truthful reporting, to show up in numbers never seen in US history.
The responsible media needs to work on reaching the clueless believers. They need to gain the trust back from the public at large. Running headlines/stories like this is strengthening the distrust of the media.
I cannot help but wonder if we are in the Matrix, and David Lynch has been given the reins for the direction of what this time-line is....all donnie needs now is to dance with the backwards talking little man and to have the tall man materialize behind him....
I hate that I'm at the stage that I can kind of see the logic in Trump's weirdness, but I dunno, I think everyone is missing what this event was.
People are forgetting that Trump is an incredibly small and incredibly petty man. I think this was 100% about punishing Kristi Noem for embarrassing Trump earlier. I think it's as simple as Trump didn't like being on stage with Noem so he decided to act like a child mostly to make her uncomfortable. Watch the event and their interactions; watch how he responses when she speaks.
And this is Trump so ignore the fact that none of Noem's own stupid bullshit had anything to do with Trump and ignore the fact that she's still a sycophant whose praise he will still accept, and ignore the fact that Trump hates dogs too. None of that matters. I really think what happened in the moment is that Trump looked at Noem, remembered that he had been mad at her before, and decided to act like a child in response.
I don't think this is credit. I'm not saying he masterminded this, I'm saying he saw a person he remembered he was once mad at an threw a tantrum like a child.
How can people not see that he doesn't even want to be president? The only reason he's doing this is to keep his sorry ass out of jail and to squeeze as much money from his base as possible. If he wins he's going to spend at least half his term at Mara Lago playing golf. That means his fucking kids will be running things. Fuck this timeline where people would rather run around the China store breaking as much shit as possible rather than try to fix anything.
It doesn't matter whether he wants it. Something near half the country is going to vote for him, and the result will be that the grifters around him hold power if he wins.
I'm strongly opposed to Trump but these headlines seem like a real stretch. It seems a couple of medical emergencies in the crowd interrupted things and music was played while Trump waited on stage, then at the end he stuck around while more music was played. He looked awkward, grooving along, but this isn't what "Trump Breaks Down Onstage" suggests.
Disagree, I watched it live and it was bizzare. Yes, they had a couple medical situations that the experts handled, but Trump was fumbling pre planned questions read off queue cards and answers from a teleprompter, he was an hour late starting, he kept leaning funny in his chair, he screwed up the election date, and other basic info, then when he said they would take more questions he immediately said to just play music, and he stood there swaying for 39 minutes, sometimes looking like he might wander off, and his facial expressions looked like he was on drugs, like he was trying them on in a mirror or making them to see how they felt.
It honestly looked like they just rolled him out of the care home on a day pass. Like they might be walking him back to his ward after enjoying a good listen to his favorite old tunes.
I've long said that he is just as cognitively sound or unsound this year as before, but I've changed my view after last night. Trump is in serious decline.
Is it possible to cover up "serious decline" with a serious dose of uppers? I've assumed he is on a steady diet of pills ever since he accused Biden of only being able to stay awake if they put him on meds.
Everything you've mentioned could have been said about him over the past six years. There is nothing strange about him in this video. If anything, I found him to be quite relaxed and enjoying himself among his MAGAteers.
Did you read the article? They're suggesting he has dementia/significantly decreased mental faculties. There were 2 medical emergencies, yes, but those were done and over with and he still chose to declare he wouldn't be taking questions after all and made his staff put on his favorite playlist for the rest of the "townhall." To me, that's the sign of someone who has broken down and just straight up isn't fit to lead anyone, let alone a country (his horrible policies aside).