Unsealed FBI doc exposes terrifying depth of Russian disinfo scheme
Unsealed FBI doc exposes terrifying depth of Russian disinfo scheme
New court documents reveal that Russia is keeping a very, very long list of influencers to spread its propaganda.
New court documents reveal that Russia is keeping a very, very long list of influencers to spread its propaganda.
The Russian disinformation plot revealed in a Justice Department indictment this week may just be the tip of the iceberg, according to newly unsealed court documents.
On Wednesday, the DOJ announced it would seize 32 internet domains linked to a larger Kremlin scheme to promote disinformation and influence the 2024 election. The Russian campaign, known as Doppelganger, uses AI-generated content to create “fake news” boosted through social media with the aim of electing Donald Trump.
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Of particular note, the documents released Wednesday included an affidavit that noted a Russian company is keeping a list of more than 2,800 influencers world wide, about one-fifth of whom are based in the United States, to monitor and potentially groom to spread Russian propaganda. The affidavit does not mention the full list of influencers, but is still a terrifying indicator of how deep the Russian plot to interfere in U.S. politics really goes.
The affidavit does not mention the full list of influencers, but is still a terrifying indicator of how deep the Russian plot to interfere in U.S. politics really goes.
Well, why not? Name and shame all of them. Normal political ads are required to tell you who paid for them (even if they only do it in the fine print). There's no reason not to hold these schmucks to the same standard just because it's TikTok vids or whatever instead of magazine or TV ads.
Not a lawoligist, but I suspect they plan on pressing charges ;-)
The affidavit does not mention the full list of influencers [...]
Well, why not? Name and shame all of them.
FTOP:
keeping a list of more than 2,800 influencers world wide [...] to monitor and potentially groom
You want to persecute the victims? These people are being targeted by the Russian state and probably haven't done anything wrong. They should be protected from that, and also from those who are too quick to judge before they understand the situation.
Eh, they're small potatoes. I think they need to go after the social media companies for allowing this to happen. You're never going to get anywhere by trying to go after idiots that are just saying whatever they think will get them promoted in by the algorithm. It's the companies that make algorithms that can be easily manipulated by bots from a foreign adversary that need to be shamed. And asked some hard questions about what they knew and when they knew it.
Guaranteed they are all over the Fediverse and probably hosting their own instances.
There are a few obvious ones around but it's against the rules to even suggest that they could be shills or bots. Hopefully this news will get the mods to start taking action against the most blatant ones.
will get the mods to start taking action against the most blatant ones.
I've heard it from a reliable source, a Lemmy.ml mod, that there's simply no Russian activity on Lemmy. Would you like to know who?
Yes but... Fediverse has more moderators and even server level bans where we can fight back.
It's a different political makeup here on the Fediverse. It's not like the Russians can hand money to just one or two CEOs and suddenly all of the moderators we trust here turn to the other side.
We need to keep our wits about us here. We came to Lemmy (and Fediverse) because centralized commercial control of our discussion spaces led to perverse incentives.
I only consider this political situation to be yet another test of the Fediverse. We have to survive it. But I also believe we moved to the Fediverse because we all believe we can do more about disinformation or malicious actors here on the Fediverse than on... Reddit or Facebook.
A bit of self-promotion here, but check out [email protected] if you want to stay up to date on recent disinformation campaigns. It's obviously not going to solve the problem, but it's one more tool to help identify and fight the disinfo peddlers.
I'll bet there are some mods in on it too.
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Sorry, did that sound like words?
I don't buy it fediverse is cool and all, but it isn't in a anyway relevant for misinformation, X, Facebook, reddit and politians are perfect for that, why bother with the less than 1%, they probably don't even know what fediverse is
Everyone that doesn't agree with me politically basically
Remember: If your politicians say there is no Russian interference in your elections, they are the ones who have been funded.
Where are my republican “there is no Russian influence in the election” now?
I don't listen to the radio but my coworkers (school bus drivers) do so I overhear it from time to time. News reports keep mentioning "foreign interference in our elections" but scrupulously avoid mentioning a) it's Russia, and b) it's Russia interfering on behalf of Trump and the Republicans. Even fucking NPR is like this, most of the time. It should be obvious that any Republicans hearing this sort of "news" will believe it's a problem afflicting Democrats.
They will never hear about this in a non-obfuscated way
They're currently brainstorming and waiting for their orders from fox "news". I expect we'll see a bunch of posts here in a few days about how it's all bullshit and blown out of proportion. Watch the names too, they'll all be accounts created a year or so ago and haven't posted for about 7 months.
Shhhh....no Russian
No puppet, no puppet, you're the puppet!
They'll still be saying that because they don't actually care about facts or evidence
Most likely true.
read the news
About damn time. Could have used this 8+ years ago. Might have stopped Drump's term in office.
The only person who did anything helpful got sent to jail (reality winner)
still haven't got used to that being her actual name.
Every single conservative comment I have seen about this has claimed it is made up by the DOJ. That is the extent of it.
Law and order party says the doj is corrupt next time on sick sad world
a terrifying indicator of how deep the Russian plot to interfere in U.S. politics really goes
It is despicable but remember that they only paid right wing trolls to do what they were already doing. This is how modern corruption works. Conservative and reactionary talk radio all across the US works like this. The only reason the GOP is so successful in rural areas is they are doing the exact same shit Russia is doing. Fund extremists to continue their bullshit. You don't need a "Quid Pro Quo", you just need to pick the right weirdos to boost.
And if you think this is terrifying, think of not just what leftists think of this inside the US, think of what people all around the world think of the US election interference. For decades and decades the US has interfered and overthrown democracies. They did in Euromaidan too.
So yeah, fuck Russia, just realize many countries rightfully think the same about the USA.
I would say election interference still mostly works in the "all the world trying to somehow affect US" way as opposed to "US interfering with some country's elections".
Simply because affecting the power balance in the metropoly is much more rewarding.
Russia is a scarecrow.
First, it's not new and even USSR during fscking Cold War would fund and influence the so-called progressive youth (not what's called progressive now) and parts of the Democratic Party. I guess that Biden guy stopped being a Soviet asset long before being elected president, but he definitely was at some point.
Second, Russian meddling is not even comparable to Israeli, Turkish, Saudi meddling. The problem is that they seem to agree with each other and often cooperate these years.
Third, it's not even a big deal, we know that politics involve such meddling. They wouldn't think the same about the USA if it would show some responsibility. Restore Iraq after fscking it up. Investigate war crimes and give some justice to their victims after that invasion. Protect Georgia against Russia. I guess the Marshall plan was for white Europeans only (it's funny BTW, people in ex-USSR in 1991 apparently expected that something like that will be attempted, but USA worked to cement the ex-Soviet elites and to help them neuter actual grassroots movements instead), but at least fixing things that wouldn't be broken without USA seemed logical.
Restore Iraq after fscking it up. Investigate war crimes and give some justice to their victims after that invasion. I guess the Marshall plan was for white Europeans only (it’s funny BTW, people in ex-USSR in 1991 apparently expected that something like that will be attempted, but USA worked to cement the ex-Soviet elites and to help them neuter actual grassroots movemen
Uh... the US tried to restore Iraq, it didn't go well. Nation building is hard and the US isn't particularly good at it. Calling on the US to do more nation building probably isn't a good idea.
Protect Georgia against Russia.
Currently weakening the Russian military in Ukraine. Do you want to broaden the war?
guess the Marshall plan was for white Europeans only (it’s funny BTW, people in ex-USSR in 1991 apparently expected that something like that will be attempted, but USA worked to cement the ex-Soviet elites and to help them neuter actual grassroots movements instead), but at least fixing things that wouldn’t be broken without USA seemed logical.
Are you saying the Eastern Europeans aren't white? Or that no money was spent in Afghanistan and Iraq? There's a difference between rebuilding allies and rebuilding while engaging in combat with a a resistance.
It doesn't seem to be a lot of thought in this particular "US bad" narrative. There are real criticisms to be made of US foreign policy but you're missing them all by a longshot. Maybe consider that the US isn't some nation of supermen that is capable of solving all of the world's problems but it just doesn't want to. It's more accurate to say the US isn't actually capable of solving many of the problems in the world, and tends to make a lot of messes by misunderstanding other countries and it's own capabilities.
Is anyone really surprised by this? Russia hasn't changed much in this particular way since before WWII ;).
Not really, but it's nice to see the receipts. The indictments are pretty damning
Yes, yes it is 👍
Cool, so just how many wars is Russia trying to fight at the moment?
I'd like to see that list.
Alongside the list of influencers US is paying to spread its propaganda.
terrifying scale
barely a percentage point compared to the fossil fuel industry's war on Green Energy
I suppose you could reasonably argue that Rex Tillerson and Vladimir Putin were already joined at the hip. But the US advertising and influencing industry is vast - $515B annually and growing. The Russians aren't even in the top ten of foreign influence peddlers. FFS, the Saudis bought golf.
Saudis aren't trying to get Trump elected and directly meddle in the election.
And sure, the Saudis whitewash themselves and try to make us forget about Jamal. But Russia influence is really bad.
I'm not necessarily against foreign influence. Ukrainians have a right to make their case to us for example. But the Russian style disinfo is leading to conspiracy theories and a degeneration of our society.
Lol yes they are. They're part owners of Twitter, which became a pro-Trump cesspool. That alone is orders of magnitude bigger than this Russian thing.
Wah but whatabout
Well Russia is part of that fossil fuel industry too, and they also hire lobbyists to push fossil fuels
It's a big club and you ain't in it
barely a percentage point compared to the fossil fuel industry's war on Green Energy
That's not really relevant in this context, though, is it? Maybe a better comparison would be 2024 election spending by foreign-connected PACS. According to opensecrets.org, the "nearly $10 million" allegedly distributed by RT employees is equivalent to the sum of all other foreign pac money donated to the GOP this cycle. It's certainly not "dwarfed by any other country" as you spuriously claimed.
Saudi sportswashing and other shenanigans are also cause for concern. That in no way lessens the severity of this problem.
That’s not really relevant
It's illustrative of a system of "influencing" that Americans drown in daily. Russian propaganda peddlers are peeing into the sewer.
The panic is over the "Russian"-ness of this media. But the machine that manufacturers consent is merely on loan.
Russia might not spend as much money on propaganda as some other entities, but they punch above their weight in terms of tactics and effectiveness.
4/5 are outside the US, does that mean most are in the EU?
Yes, even goverments. For example orban in #orbanistan (hungary), fico in slovakia controlled putin. There are also parties controlled by putin, like afd in germany, le pen's party in france, also the brexit guy nigel farage putin's puppet
How else do you think AfD won so big in Thuringia and Saxony?
And centrists will imagine that all of it is localized entirely on lemmy, in the form of anyone to their left.
To me, this is the most interesting bit of the article
They targeted gamers and chatroom users, who they described as the “backbone of the right-wing trends in the US segment of the Internet,” [ ... ]
We can kind of keep tabs on X or Facebook, but what goes down in Discord gamer chats is largely out of sight. I wish someone could drag more of this content out into the light of day where we could all see it.
You absolutely don’t want to see half the shit said in discord.
It’s all awful.
That's why I want someone to summarize a sanitized version for me ... so I have some sort of heads up on the next trend in stochastic terrorism without having to pluck my eyes out.
Lol, so aparently right wing will be lead by weabos and gamers, not by ultra religious men and women?
There's nothing quite like not getting laid for fueling a wellspring of easily manipulated misogynist anger
You think Microsoft can't keep tabs on what's said in discord servers?hmm nevermind, looks like that purchase did not go through. Still, they can absolutely monitor discord chat, and even voice chat. It is relatively common these days to have voice recordings transcribed automatically into text files, saved, and searchable. Even video games do that these days. Overwatch in particular does this for certain because they announced so with the release of Overwatch 2. I would assume all Blizzard games do this by now.Oh, sure, whatever corporate overlords are involved have unfettered access, but they're unlikely to analyze that data from a public safety perspective. Unhinged players are addicted to their products and no interest in making anything public that could cut into their profits.
Laughs in AIPAC
AIPAC is based in the US and there is no evidence of foreign funds. I know it's shocking to hear, but there is a large Jewish population in the US that happens to endorse Israel.
The entities in this indictment went out of their way to circumvent FARA
Bro. The traitor John Roberts has opened up the floodgates of foreign money in our political system. Come on, now.
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What are you implying here, I don't get it.
What a completely idiotic right wing Trumper comment
Why now, FBI?
I don’t know how we are supposed to just think “oh what a co-inky-dink”. Maybe I’m missing some timeline stuff here but I keep seeing DOJ action based on unsealed FBI stuff. Great, but when was it sealed? They probably have sealed documents that say the sky is blue too.
Edit: ok then. It’s just asking why we see action now when we’ve all know it for a long time. Carry on.
Probably because the Russians kicked up their campaign this year as the battle of Donesk went poorly for them.
Russia realizes that the #1 factor in their war for the Ukrainian East depends on getting Trump elected and the Republicans cutting aid.
The only reason Russia got Adviika was because Republicans cut aid between Nov 2023 and all of winter 2024. Shell hunger they called it, as the Ukrainians ran out of ammo and were forced to retreat from their fortress city.
Russia wants that to happen again. So they're kicking up their influence campaigns.
I’d just like to point out that Trump won’t be sentenced for his crimes committed to cheat in the 2016 election until after the 2024 election.
The justice system can move slowly, especially on career-defining cases.
Why now? Because it is happening now.
You expect them to wait until after the election or something?
Once an investigation culminates and it's time to roll up the targets, this is what happens. They have whole procedures for this, written down in books... You know the law.
Carry on.
SundialBill vibes.