Exactly. These “jokes” are like a kid “joking” that they want another piece of cake. If you say no, it’s “I was only kidding”, but if you say yes, they’ll eat that cake.
Oh yeah, I’m sure he was “joking”. He also doesn’t know anything about project 2025, and he’s not really butt buddies with dictators like kim and pootin.
Oh, that was just high school locker room pranks, you guys! Just like bragging about sexual assault and using the word "pussy" (oh, a naughty word! that was the real issue people had when he was admitting to sexual assault - phrasing) was "locker room talk". That insurrection? That was like snapping a towel in the shower...
"The what? The Meritage Federation? What did you say? Carriage Fumigation, what? Can't hear you. Never heard of it, is that like a Cracker Barrel thing?"
Yep. Just like they pretend to be interested in "free speech" (for them only, though) until they are in power. Then no more such talk about free speech.
Here we go again. Right-wong pundits claiming Trump didn't mean what he said, all the while Trump's out there saying he meant exactly what he said. We've been here before, don't be fooled.
I he had promoted mask wearing and distancing, sold MAGA masks, called it a "war on Corona" and pushed the "American-made" vaccine, it would have been a landslide.
If not for COVID, the US would've entered a recession anyway but it might have been properly attributed to Trump. He was already badgering the Fed to lower interest rates in 2019, before the disease was even discovered, because of his disastrous tax handout for the wealthy and trade war with China.
That's pretty funny. Cotton and all the other people claiming this are in direct opposition to Trump's explanation. He said they wouldn't need to vote "because the country will be fixed, and frankly, we won't even need your vote anymore."
So he was joking that he'd fix the country? Are people sprouting off before they're getting their talking points?
It doesnt even really matter if this was a joke or not. He already rallied a violent insurrection against counting votes. He could say absolutely nothing about overthrowing democracy his entire campaign this year, its still his goal.
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I was on the fence on this one but if there is one thing cotton knows is a joke. He see's one in the mirror every morning. Don't forget he pretended to be a special forces veteran.
This is absolutely an example of the media - and you, the internet - making the wrong point out of context.
He was speaking to a conservative Christian group making the point that if he were elected he would "fix" it so there wouldn't be any reason for Christians to vote any more. Meaning everything they care so much about would be done. It would be like if a Democrat "fixed" climate change, gun safety, the Supreme Court, consumer protections, health care, etc.
Yes - it's batshit crazy because: (1) they believe he has the power to do everything they want him to do, (2) what they want him to do is unconstitutional, (3) he doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself and even got booed on the same stage for saying he supports limits to abortion, (4) just because the government passes "all" the legislation you support does not mean you should stop participating in democracy.
Was he "joking"? Not the word I would use but I can see how it was chosen.
Does he want to be Supreme Ruler and kill off democratic elections? Possibly.
Was that the intent of this particular sound bite? No.
For me, it's just really frustrating when so much noise is generated, even with good intent, around misinformation. It obscures the things that are really meaningful.
This is a distraction.
The conversation that should be had around this statement is: what exactly is it that Christians want him to do so they'd never have to vote again.
A responsible journalist would take his statement and investigate what it means. Instead, what we get are headlines that generate an emotional reaction so we click on sites that profit not from educating the public but from serving advertisements.
=== Edit: Here's an example of what I'm talking about. Raw Story states that "the comment raised alarms that Trump was hinting he would refuse to leave office, or cancel elections." and fails to actually put the statement in context or offer a reasonable explanation for it. Instead of explaining that Trump was offering a campaign promise to Christians, they look at whether he would leave office at the end of his term - entirely unrelated and frankly difficult for me to wrap my head around the jump. "Raw Story", ironically, fails to link to a source for their article.
=== Raw Story: Trump scrambles to explain what he meant that voting won't be necessary in four years.
Former President Donald Trump triggered outrage when he told supporters at an event in Florida last week if he's elected, “You won’t have to do it anymore."
"Four years, it will be fixed, it will be fine," he said. "You won’t have to vote anymore. In four years, you won’t have to vote again.”
The comment raised alarms that Trump was hinting he would refuse to leave office, or cancel elections.
In an interview with Fox News' Laura Ingraham on Monday, Trump tried to clarify his words a bit, and walk back any possible implication of that.
You won't have to vote in four years, he said, "because the country will be fixed, and frankly, we won't even need your vote anymore."
"I thought everybody understood it," Trump added.
Ingraham proceeded to ask him if he would leave office voluntarily after four years. "I did last time," said Trump. "I keep hearing it, he's not going to leave, he's not going to leave. Look, they are the threat to democracy."
Trump was at the center of a scheme to deny the certification of President Joe Biden's election victory in 2020, which culminated in a violent attack on the U.S. Capitol. Trump is currently under federal indictment and state indictment in Georgia over these efforts. Both cases are on hold until after the election.
LOL i was wondering when someone would play the "oUt Of CoNtExT" card. this comment reminds me of christians who try to spin "turn the other cheek" to mean "shoot them in the face" iN tHe RiGhT cOnTeXt
If you want to spend your time and emotional energy participating in meaningless bullshit, have at it.
I hope others are a little more responsible and realize The Internet and Cable News and Social Media are the wrong places to get real information. Don't count on fourth and fifth hand reporting. Watch CSPAN, watch political leaders speaking in context. Everything else is, sadly, only "reporting" enough to get you worked up enough to click on ads and generate revenue for them. Russia, China, and Iran know this. They know we're gullible, emotional, and broken. It's actually refreshing to observe news as it happens in real time rather than reading the bile that others spew for your attention. It's bonkers how much of "the news" is just out of context sound bites. It's been happening irrespective of political affiliation. And it's destroying this country and our respect for one another.
I don’t understand why you’re jumping through logical hoops to defend this imagined context.
You’re claiming that he is more likely to be saying “once legislation is passed, voting is no longer necessary” (which is literally never how this country’s version of democracy has ever worked or ever should) than he is to be saying “once I’m in power I will reduce/remove the efficacy of voting” (which is something he has clearly supported in the past and is pretty much the entire Republican goal)?
I'm literally doing the opposite of jumping through logical hoops.
I'm attempting to illustrate how so many others are jumping through logical hoops to make one group of words mean something entirely different.
Apparently I'm not doing a very good job.
Try to think about why you vote. Perhaps you enjoy or feel obligated to participate in the democratic process. Perhaps you don't vote unless there's something very important to vote about. Perhaps there's a historically significant reason to show up to the polls.
Trump mentions in the speech that Christians historically don't show up to the polls. He's trying to convince them that they should elect him to office to pass all the legislation they want over the course of his four year term. Once he has done everything they want government to do, they won't have to vote again.
That's the context of this statement.
So, if you want to argue about him claiming to be a dictator or not intending to leave office, that's a valid conversation that could be had in the context of other statements he has made. That is not valid in the context of this statement.
If you want to build a case to support the idea that he wants to be a supreme leader, perhaps you could use this statement and re-contextualize it in a clever way to support that case in accretion to other statements he has made.
There is no more unconstitutional when it comes to the president.
Can you really take that fucking risk? If there is a 0.01% chance that fucker was being serious, and this isn't the first time hes outright said he's gonna be a dictator, you're willing to bet the free world on it?
this isn’t the first time hes outright said he’s gonna be a dictator,
My point is that he did not say that in this speech. He has said it in other speeches but not here. Why are we all focused on this event when we could be discussing the real issues of this speech and / or the other speeches where he threatened to be a dictator?
While I tend to agree with this sentiment, the counter argument is that it's a thinly veiled cover story for what he actually means.
And after the whole "I want to be a dictator on day 1" comment, I don't think this voting suggestion is as innocent as you and I would like to believe.
Great. So let's address that and see why this has me concerned.
"Dictator on day one" or some variation of that has spread to mean that DT intends to fully overstep all boundaries and become a dictator. Because of how the Internet works - because of the old game of telephone - this has taken many turns to mean the greatest threat to ever face the country. Biden has even used this in many speeches.
I wonder how many people have actually looked into what he actually said, what the context was, and what he may have meant by it.
Does it matter? Isn't it great that we can use a presidential candidate's own words against him to generate clicks and manufacturer a propaganda campaign to benefit one political party? I mean, just take Trump out of this and look at the foundation of what's happening.
So what did he actually say? And, given what we know about the dumbest person to ever be elected president, what did he mean?
HANNITY: Under no circumstances, you are promising America tonight, you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody?
TRUMP: Except for Day One.
TRUMP: He says, "You're not gonna be a dictator, are you?" I said no, no, no … other than Day One. We're closing the border and we're drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I'm not a dictator, OK?
Four days later,
"No, no. I am not going to be a dictator," Trump said.
"I'm going to manage like we did," Trump continued, referencing his first term in office. "We were so successful that the country was coming together. It was actually coming together and coming together well. It was a beautiful thing to see. And we're going to do that again."
The context of the dialog was that he wants to "abuse power" and be a dictator on day one in regard to the border and drilling for oil. This is certainly something to have a concern for but, in and of itself, is not this whole story about Trump intending to be a president-turned-dictator.
What's more concerning is Project 2025 which certainly has more intent to work around the barriers of the presidency and form a pseudo-dictatorship.
To put it another way...
On Jan. 6, 2024, Trump told a crowd during a campaign rally in Iowa that he had been "kidding" when he was interviewed by Hannity. He also called the news media "sick" and "so corrupt."
I actually find myself sympathetic to Trump's point here. I am by no means sympathetic to the person but just putting a couple words together in a sentence allows the internet to make a claim that I am sympathetic to him. And, if I were sympathetic to the person, that would be an entirely different subject than the issue of the media being corrupt.
The context of what he said immediately said was, "Christians, get out and vote, just this time," before Trump said that because in 4 years, it will be fixed so good they won't have to vote anymore. That something along the lines of "fixing the country of its problems" was implied by the word "fixing" in this context is a massive stretch, and Trump voters usually take away from something they like to hear.
The party claiming that Trump "says things like it is" are spending a lot of time re-interpreting their leader's words.
My conclusion: fair reporting is saying something like-
45’s boasting, applauded by a Christian audience, alarms Democrats who hear a dictatorial message
or
Alarm Bells Ring as 45’s Ambiguous Promise to Christian Audience Sparks Fears Among Democrats
or
45’s 'No More Voting' Vow to Christians: Supporters See Optimism, Critics Warn of Constitutional Threat
Then the article should point out the danger in the ambiguity, regardless of how innocently the audience interpreted it. The impeached president deserves no clicks and attention from unfettered sensationalism. Fetter it a little! 😉 Impede his strategy ever so slightly.
Fair reporting would be '45 promises his conservative Christian base that he'll get everything they want done in four years.'
THAT is his point.
The wording about not having to vote is less relevant than the point that he'll get things done - because he wants them to vote this one time. Any presidential candidate could use the same wording about not needing to vote any longer because they'll get everything done that the voters want. It's an incredibly stupid thing to say because 'democracy' but it's a reasonable assertion to a group of voters who only care about a few issues.
If Harris were to "fix" the Supreme Court, "fix" gun regulations, "fix" health care, "fix" climate change, "fix" inequities; it's a reasonable assertion that I may not have to vote again.
TD says a lot of stupid shit. He says a lot of scary shit. Nothing he says should be taken lightly or ignored. However, a lot of it is taken out of context or re-contextualized. Even his statement about being a dictator on day one, as scary as his genuine intention is in an of itself, is misconstrued.
This isn't about nuance. This is about people inserting their emotions into the statements of others. This is about the media blatantly lying. It happens all the time regardless of party or politics or venue or subject matter. It's exhausting and it's something we should all be greatly concerned about.