Comedy gold. Literally in the opening crawl and then some background character was like "I don't know, dark force powers, cloning or some shit" and that was all we got 🤣
I always said that opening crawl should behave been the movie. How Palestine came back, grew power, and the opening 10 seconds of him searching for the stones. That should have been half of the movie
I don't really mind it as a plot twist, but it shouldn't have just come out of nowhere. I'm still not clear on exactly what is supposed to have happened there.
Also, there was that weird thing where they announced it in Fortnite, wtf was that about.
I agree that it’s a pretty bad idea to bring back Palpatine, and that the execution of that idea was also really bad, but this idea has been in the Star Wars universe for a long time - in the early 90s the Dark Empire comics were all about a clone of the emperor secretly working to assemble a powerful industrial and military machine in the galactic core, before going on a crusade to restore the galactic empire, with Luke Skywalker as his new enforcer, to replace Dark Vader.
The comics were and are extremely popular and a lot of the sequel movies seem to pull some ideas from them, but never in a way that really makes sense. For example, in Dark Empire, the republic has to deal with a mysterious new military force conducting heavy strip mining of planets long before they know anything of the new imperial threat.
It’s well known (and good) trait of Star Wars movies that they jump straight into the action without too much context, but the writing on episode 9 was so sloppy it feels amateurish. I’m not exaggerating when I say that I believe they could have got a fanfic author to do a better job. Delivering exposition like “somehow, palpatine has returned” directly to the audience is a fucking joke.
To be fair, though, I think the scenes on Exegol pretty much confirm that it was cloning, or some kind of Sith alchemy, and subsequent works (the Mandalorian, for example) are definitely leading in that direction, but that’s a post-hoc explanation for something that already damaged our immersion, not foreshadowing or a further explanation of something that was already plausible but a mystery.
I do think it’s a really good thing to have mystery in Star Wars, not everything needs to be explained and every new story should add new mysteries. I think things being mentioned and not explained (the Clone Wars mentioned in ep 4 being the best example of that, imo) is part of what makes the universe feel vast and real, like it has a full history that you could study for years. So I don’t agree with that “an intriguing story hook is shown and never explored” is always fair criticism. Sometimes it is, but often it’s just a cool mystery that will inevitably be answered in some minor novel or comic a few years later.
Anyways, I’m not saying they should have copied Dark Empire, or demonstrate/explain exactly how Palpatine returned or how he built his fleet. They should have just hinted at it by having the resistance interact with a new military force with a different aesthetic than the New Order. Have Rey bothered by a growing darkness that she assumes is Kylo, but reveal that Kylo had felt it too and doesn’t know what it is. Show the cloning vats and Sith alchemy on Exegol before we know that Palpatine’s back.
Definitely, 100%, don’t announce the twist villain of your movie on Fortnite to generate buzz. Make less money, probably, but a much better movie. I’ve written way too much in this comment, sorry, I’m having an autism/adhd moment
This was honestly so funny, it's hard to be mad at them for just not even giving a shit. Yeah we could pull an explanation out of our asses that won't make any sense, or we just throw that libe at people.
On the other side her dying because she lost the will to life... is kind of a good explanation for an unlikely death in such an advanced civilization.
Obviously they could simply keep her alive despite any actual medical condition. So what else could she die of... except for a spiritual (I don't know a better description) reason.
Kind of a "so bad it's actually good" explanation.
I know we're dealing with human aliens, but there is actually a thing called takotsubo cardiomyopathy, also known as "broken heart syndrome", where your heart weakens as a result of emotional trauma.
It is rarely fatal, but deaths have occurred as a result of it.
Ugh that scene TFA derailed it in microseconds. So much stupid hand waving by JJ. That movie started on such a high note, then every minute following the opening act was like watching a bouncy house slowly deflate.
I still cannot believe all 3 movies were not planned out. What were they possibly thinking?
I mean it appears they were thinking they JJ Abrams would introduce some mystery box intrigue with a soft reboot and the rest would just fall into place.
But.. idk I just.. I don't get it. Imagine you were just put in charge of the next star wars trilogy. Wouldn't you like... Plan it out? Throw some ideas to the wall and work out a trilogy before committing to it?
Great effects, solid characters, and just... All over the place from there on out.
They weren't using gravity, they were electromagnetic rails that shot the bombs out of the bay into the enemy ships. I mean it's still dumb since you could fire them from further away, just not dumb for the gravity reason.
I'm not a 100% sure I understand this. IIRC it was bombing spaceships hovering above a planet dropping bombs into the atmosphere, correct? (Totally possible that I'm misremembering!) In that case using gravity would be absolutely fine.
I like the fan theory that he unknowingly mind tricked her into falling in love with him, because that's the only explanation for how she could fall in love with someone that makes me want to hide my face in shame out of cringe.
I like the idea (I don't want to call it a fan theory) that it resembles a typical "first love" relationship. Whose first relationship / young love was not cringe and full of awkward situations (for bystanders)?
The issue I had with that particular scene is not that she had force powers. She comes from a force-sensitive family, so her having latent force powers makes sense. Key word here being "latent".
What absolutely did NOT make any fucking sense is A: Leia not dying of asphyxiation when she enters the vacuum of space and B: Leia just happening to know how to use force pull without any prior training. Like, they don't even try to hand-wave it off by saying something like "Oh, she spent some time training with Luke when you weren't looking" or something.
Hey, didn't I cut a scene from one of those movies? Yeah that's the one. I want to put it back in. let's see. Ah crap, that guy there, what's his name? Jab..Jaffa? He needs to be a slug. Can we change that? What the hell, it's the 90s, we can find some computer nerd to do that. Needs to be bigger too. Like, erm, bigger than the frame? Will that work? Ah what the fuck keep him man sized, he's a space monster he can change size or some shit. That bit there - whassname, Sulu, he needs to be standing on Jagger's tail. Just make him stand on the tail. Cut him out and move him up and down it'll look fine. Yeah sure, I'd stand on a mafioso's tail - it's a power move, they respect that. What's this scene about anyway? Yada yada, removing the bounty, yada yada.. yeah I remember there was something about a bounty in one of those movies. It all fits. It's like I planned it all in advance.
I'd stand on a mafioso's tail - it's a power move, they respect that.
Straight from the book "how to make a boring scene more interesting without fixing the underlying scene layout problem that gave you the boring scene in the first place".
In this thread: People who haven't seen the Star Wars Christmas Special.
And that's a good thing. Don't see it. Don't do it. You think you're curious, I get it. But you've been warned. If you try to watch it, for goodness sake, at least bring a group of friends so that someone else will understand your lingering pain.
People think it's going to be like the room, or like watching paint dry. Something that either has a familiar sense of boredom or alternatively any amount of entertainment that can be derived from watching. This is incorrect. There is no entertainment value, nothing to extract joy out of. Just a deep sense of discomfort and the overwhelming urge to literally do anything else with your time.
The hoverbike scene in Boba Fett. And basically anything to do with those teenagers gang members. Their bikes remind me of kitchen aid mixers meet the power rangers.
The affects are so bad, the story is so bad the music is so bad. I don't think I found one good quality in that scene. Except it made me laugh for how bad it was.
And there is another scene when they are on battle and one of them does a "cool" spin for absolutely no reason.
My assumption was they were trying to shoehorn in the gang as a throwback to greaser hotrod culture (by way of mod scooter culture) since George Lucas was into that when he was a teenager, but it was so jarringly bad in an already bad series that it just came across as cringy and laughable. It didn't help that those scenes were filmed incredibly clumsily and all the scooter gang characters were annoyingly tryhard.
Boba Fett, every episode except the two that are obviously just The Mando eps, fit OP's question. The show is so bad I bet fans stopped watching SW. It's embarrassing. It's complete and utter garbage.
That's was the scene that broke the camels back for me. Stopped watching immediately and haven't watched anything Star Wars related since. Don't think I ever will again either.
Vader flirting with Padme. It was horrible to watch and requires parents to correct the lessons immediately. A generation of men learned to flirt with women that way.
Leia using force powers isn't really too unexpected considering she was as strongly connected to the force as Luke and Vader, but was never actually trained.
Thank you. I see so many people say this was one of the best scenes of the prequels, but I can still remember my stunned disappointment when I saw it in theaters.
Yoda is supposed to be this great sage who is so powerful he never cared about violence or fighting skills. But lolnope, turns out he can actually fight, and when he does he looks like a monkey who did a rail of coke then grabbed onto a glowstick.
Some of these are just awful takes man, I’m sorry.
Like Jar Jar, fair enough, he’s shitty CGI, he has bad writing, and is a pretty weak addition to the prequels. Same with the Leia scene, it looks awful and ruins what could have been an impactful death, with an almost cartoonish feel at odds with the seriousness of the rest of the film.
But the Holdo manoeuvre scene is one of the most visually striking moments in the entirety of Star Wars. It has awesome sound design, great acting, it’s just a really impressive moment with real impact.
The scene where Kylo kills Han is also really well done. The lighting is fantastic, it has some great acting, again, great sound design and a really impactful moment with a lot of suspense, and Chewie’s pained reaction is unforgettable.
The casino planet isn’t a single scene and is more of a story arc, but the introduction of the Canto Bight casino is a pretty typical Star Wars scene, almost formulaic at this point, but is executed well - if you take issue with that one and not the introduction of Takadana, I’d be curious as to why.
I think the worst scene on Canto Bight is where Finn and Rose meet DJ, the hacker. It’s very awkward and stilted, the writing is pretty poor IMO, both the dialogue and the characterisation. I think DJ is a cool character and his writing is fine, but the scene itself and Finn/Rose’s behaviour is really strange.
I actually agree that the holdo maneuver was brilliantly shot, absolutely beautiful. Unfortunately for me it was kinda ruined because it made no sense in the context of the IP.
It's like if you have horrible writing expertly delivered and acted, you can admire the actors skill but still the scene doesn't hit for you. So I think it's a pretty understandable take, as is really enjoying the visuals of the scene in the moment.
Couldn’t agree more, this is probably what I’d put at the top of my list for worst scenes in all of Star Wars. I think the idea is fine, but the execution is absolutely fucking terrible.
Yep, and there was no purpose to the scene. At least talking to Jabba in A New Hope added something, whether that was conducive to the story or not is debatable, but it at least had some purpose. Likewise, Lucas changing Han’s quick fire to a shootout does make him a little less scummy in A New Hope, even if most people feel the change was unnecessary.
But with Jedi Rocks, it’s replacing something that worked fine with something that doesn’t fit, with no clear reason why Lucas would want to change it other than for the sake of change itself.
The few moments being the two bonus episodes of The Mandalorian, otherwise it was just Boba Fett walking around with his weird perfect teeth telling everyone he was Boba Fett and everyone being like “uh, okay.”
I found it alright, qnd it looked cool when i started watching it. But as soon as that baby yoda hit the screen i knew that disney adults would freak the fuck out and he's gonna ve everywhere now. I don't think i finished the first season and from what i've seen from the rest if it, i don't wanna go back.
“They can fly now??” Lamest Kenner toy ad ever. Also from the same movie: riding space horses on top of a star destroyer. Also all of that movie. What even was it called?
Give Andor a shot. For some reason it took four decades for someone to create that a show deep diving into rebels doing murky rebel shit and the empire being a bureaucrat fascist regime.
Isn’t it Chewie’s dad who was watching the weird porn? I forget which parts of the holiday special I remember and which parts are Star Wars inspired fever dreams.
The last film of the new trilogy as a whole. I've watched it three times now and I can not for the life of me remember the plot. There was a dagger thing and then Palpatine is in the end on a spooky crane and then they kiss and it's weird. That's seriously everything I can remember off the top of my head.
The Death Planet ih the new trilogy destroyed the exact same way as Luke destroyed the Death Star.
The fact that they realized that "parsec" is a length unit, and they came up with a total bullshit explanation for "doing the Kessel run in 12 parsec".
Nearly every maintenance infrastructure built like a giant death trap. The reactor room where Maul killed Qui-Gon, the scene where Luke realizes that Vader is his father, and so on.
The Kessel run thing was done in the EU books ages ago, but honestly I still liked the idea that Han was just talking out his ass (and obi wan's expression actually works for this idea).
Each trilogy is pretty much a rerun of the last, blow up something big first movie - but oh no it was only the start. Finish with blowing up something bigger
Kessel run is really just a personal preference then, cause like it entirely fits the lore just you don't like it so we shouldn't?
A massive part of star wars is the aesthetic, and sure its not always gonna be 100% reasonable bit like those scenes probably wouldn't be as interesting in a 4' x 4' storage closet in an office space
(also fits the empires idea of things need to look pretty on top, but beneath they couldn't care less about health and safety, as long as they remain I power)
The Kessel run might fit the lore, but the lore was clearly added after the fact and it's so much of a stretch that the black holes look like silhouettes that were made for me on the other side
Seeing Obi Wan and Yoda in the original trilogy treat Darth Vader as if he’s some rando to deal with saddens me. Forgetting he has a name, glossing over his legacy, asserting his lack of humanity, constantly telling Luke he must kill him, etc. when he was thrust into the mold by them and wasn’t without reasoning makes the jedi in the original trilogy seem shittier to me than the other movies. My gal Ahsoka wouldn’t do that.
The problem with that chain of reasoning is that Obi Wan and Yoda in the OT didn't know at the time that they were partly responsible. That story hadn't been written, yet.
Never thought of it like that. I always thought the prequels were designed with that in mind but didn’t care on the basis that the jedi were Mary-Sue-ish (for a lack of a better way of explaining).