FCC’s Net Neutrality Rules Struck Down by Federal Appeals Court
FCC’s Net Neutrality Rules Struck Down by Federal Appeals Court
After nearly two decades of fighting, the battle over regulations that treat broadband providers like utilities came to an end on Thursday.
ETA: Paywall bypass link: https://archive.is/vyU15
God our government is so fucking useless for anything that might actually help people.
this is a direct consequence of the Supreme Court overturning the Chevron deference back in June. the appeals court has to apply the law. so you know who to blame.
expect more cases like this in coming years...
Sarcastically speaking, if they want white only public bathrooms, that would be interesting. On the one hand people gave up their lives for us to have the freedom to go in the same places as white people. On the other hand... Its public restrooms!
Corrupt beyond belief.
It's by design: the rich know how easily "representatives" can be bought.
It's currently not fill with people who want to help "prople". It currently is setup to help corporate America only at this point. At the expense of your rights.
You know, in Germany there are some (we call them Reichsbürger ~ Empire Citizens) that believe the allied installed a puppet government in Germany and we are actually a GmbH (equivalent to US LLCs according to Wikipedia) called the Bundesrepublik Deutschland GmbH and a kind of proof should be that are ID cards are called "Personalausweis" which could be taken as Personal (eng. Employee) and Ausweis (eng. Identification).
The US basically does all of the Corpo things those conspiracy nuts see into the German government.
From the BS corp politics down to the office rumors.I believe we call them Corporate-Americans these days, they're legally people.
God our government is so fucking useless for anything that might actually help people.
More specifically: gop.gov
One could go for a hundred years and not touch this shit. But nah. Some dirtbag judge asshole actively working to fuck us all over.
This isn't "our government" these are the oligarch's meatbags purchased for surprisingly low dollar amounts. These men (and women that silently stand next to them until they are told they are allowed to speak) are cowards and traitors. They are not "our government"
Your post is the right energy, wrong message.
That's because they're not even trying to help people, except people who can pay.
If the FCC can't regulate anything I guess I'll just run a high power jammer and block all cell signal in the area.
Put hundreds of them in a pretty boxes, form an LLC, get a few VCs to sign on, flip the switch, then charge a monthly fee to "open previously-inacessible service areas to cellular customers" and you'll have a successful startup!
Ah but technically it's still illegal to disrupt emergency services and also leaves you liable to lawsuits.
But yeah, the FCC in particular can't stop you from doing that.
Sure they will!
https://www.fcc.gov/enforcement/orders
They'd be more than happy to fine you 10k for that.
I'm not completely clear on what happens if you don't pay though....
Hold on, GumpyDuckling... checks clipboard tsk tsk, I see here you're not wealthy enough to effectively lobby to get us in trouble; I'm afraid that'll be a $10,000 fine.
Amazing how much the US judiciary branch seems to hate the plebs.
Note that it piggybacks on the SCROTUS decision earlier about preventing government from protecting anything from industry.
at least we got actual consumer protection under biden’s FTC’s lawsuits and stuff…
edit: FTC, not FCC
They will be promptly rolled back under President Musk
We are losing big time with each successive administration since Congress will never legislate in favour of the working class.
Relying on regulatory agencies for customer protection just creates endless opportunity for corpos to challenge anything favourable to the peasants.
Quite accurate since the US judiciaries are like kings, inmune, rule for life and get to write and struck down laws with the flimsiest "precedent" arguments. All they're missing is appointment via bloodline, but the sponsorship line seems to have taken its place.
Their excuse is that telecom services aren’t actually providing telecom services, but information services.
If that doesn’t make sense to you, it’s because you aren’t brain-damaged.
Courted reclassified the services to remove FCC ability to regulate telecos?
Talk about bad faith behavior.
Welcome to the day and age where courts have all the power :/
So.... They're responsible for the misinformation sent to my device against my will now, right?
Obviously not because our leaders need to be killed brutally where all can see what happens, but in principle?
They're going to use this for censorship.
Torproject.org. There's absolutely no way to censor the entire internet, short of entirely disconnecting the internet.
They're trying to ban tiktok. I've never used it but it's just because it's Chinese, social media from any other company based in any other country is just as fucked and unhealthy and unregulated in the US, but they are going to ban it specifically for its country of origin. China pills a lot of weight and the company tiktok is powerful and fighting it in court and all but it seems pretty obvious it'll go through even under current admin watch--let alone when a direct competitor and owner of Xitter owns the White House.
While yes, you're logistically correct it would be very difficult to shut down the whole Internet, that's not the goal, the goal is to massively control it and enshittify it beyond your worst dreams.
Look to China and Russia for "internet"TM
Comcast going to start hiring reddit mods?
We could crowdsourse and pay Comcast tier 1 division to block reddit.
All laws protecting the people's interests are now banned. Don't like it? Well become a billionaire and maybe the supreme Court will care
otoh:
Mike Masnick @mmasnick.bsky.social
I mean, this is a terrible (if unsurprising) decision, but I'm left wondering how Brendan Carr is going to still try to claim regulatory authority over social media companies...
There is no possible consistency between "ISPs can throttle and block, but edge services cannot..." nilay patel @reckless.bsky.social
2h
Sixth Circuit decision striking down net neutrality doesn’t even remotely pass the sniff test lol www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf...
January 2, 2025 at 3:11 PM
https://bsky.app/profile/mmasnick.bsky.social/post/3lerv476tes22
comes a time when blue states just need to draw the line and flat out refuse to follow federal laws and judges until federal judges stop being corrupt.
They do it for marijuana laws but won’t treat anything else like that. I don’t understand.
Money.
Lots of potential tax revenue with cannabis.
You say "secede" funny.
Ppppssshhhhhhh!!!!! That's not gonna happen!
long-winded sigh
I really ought to set up that community meshnet I keep thinking about setting up...
I really ought to set up that community meshnet I keep thinking about setting up...
Oh hey, I keep thinking about doing this to and hosting a website like the old days lol, but when I search about it the biggest thing that comes up is like LoRa, but ig it's too slow for hosting internet-like services
You want Meshtastic
I've already got some gear and there are a few other nodes around, but basically all it is currently is an emergency backup for texting family members if the Internet and cell service go down. I'd like to start making some cooler stuff like maybe a weather/sensor station and maybe even some online stuff, but I've got so many half-done projects I'm hesitant to start another one lol.
Is this really shocking with the incoming sadministration?
That's not a typo.
Comment section tries not to blame Biden for actions taken by the judicial branch, with judges appointed by Bush and Trump. Difficulty: Impossible.
In its opinion, a three-judge panel pointed to a Supreme Court decision in June, known as Loper Bright, that overturned a 1984 legal precedent that gave deference to government agencies on regulations.
“Applying Loper Bright means we can end the F.C.C.’s vacillations,” the court ruled.
"Nyyeaahh nyyeaah nyyeaaaahh ppffthhhhthhth!!" they said.
So now all regulatory policy has to through the fucking gauntlet of legislative process where the wealthy will just veto everything that doesn't benefit them...this nation is captured beyond belief.
If only we could have helped it somehow
Like most large changes, it requires an act of Congress. Doing these via the executive leads to weak outcomes like this.
The thing is Congress doesn't have time to deal with technical details. That's why they passed a law authorizing the FCC to make exactly this kind of regulation. The conservative courts throwing everything they don't like under the Major Questions Doctrine is just a way to make sure regulation never happens and Corporations are free to exploit people however they want. The problem here isn't the FCC, it's bad faith judges with the power to stop the entire government.
Regulating ISPs as a utility is a pretty big change, not simply a technical detail; it is in the purview of Congress.
Congressmen aren't individually drafting bills, they direct their aids to draft the bills and hammer out the details. We don't need to overhaul our system, we need congressmen to do their job rather than offloading their job to the Executive.
Edit: Said bill would direct the Executive on how to regulate them as a utility at which point small technical details, as you mention, are handled by the Executive.
This is ridiculous how difficult it is to get this law through. Clearly it must be something good. I am 100% behind it.
The problem is that it isn't a law, it's a regulation.
On the one hand, the Republicans are definitely playing politics by attacking the ability of agencies to come up with regulations. But on the other, it really is just another example of how various parts of the US government have been ceding or delegating their responsibilities around willy-nilly in ways that weren't constitutionally intended. Congress hasn't made a declaration of war since 1942, despite all the wars the US has entered into since then. The Supreme Court was never even intended to decide the constitutionality of laws, that's something they declared for themselves and everyone's just gone along with it since then. The debt ceiling limit is just plain incoherent, Congress allocates money so a budget they pass should automatically override previous legislation (like the debt ceiling limit).
I don't know what the US should do to resolve all this, but it's getting to be quite the mess.
Setting up a Commission and giving it regulatory power is very much in the power of Congress. The Constitution literally says
Congress shall have the power ... To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
So they are well within their rights to pass a law setting up the FCC to promulgate regulations based on the Telecommunications Act. They are also well within their rights to pass a law recognizing the President's emergency military power, restraining it, and formalizing the process to declare war with different words. Both of which are things they have done. The FCC didn't magic this shit out of nowhere, and Iraq and Afghanistan were the result of Congressional votes in favor of an AUMF, as outlined in the War Powers Act.
This idea that shit happens willy-nilly is fucking propaganda meant to normalize it so people don't think it's weird when a corrupt politician tries it.
I don’t know what the US should do to resolve all this, but it’s getting to be quite the mess.
it really is just another example of how various parts of the US government have been ceding or delegating their responsibilities around willy-nilly
This is the big one. Congress has been delegating their power to the Executive for decades. Rather than meaningful law, they tell the Executive to make regulations that don't stand the test of time. Congress needs to pass laws again, instead of delegating large swaths of their power.
tbf it's not hard to convince hayseed chucklefuck trumplings that regulations which exist to protect them are a bad thing because they cost money. we had condo buildings collapsing and people dying WITH regulations.
when bridges start collapsing left and right, they'll blame drag queens and the maga trumpistan patriots will lap it up like hogs at the trough
we had condo buildings collapsing and people dying WITH regulations.
Further proof that regulations don't work! The Invisible
Sky DaddyHand shalt self-correct! All is right with the world! Praise be unto The Market, may its blessed Line forever Go Up.Now, let us prey.
This is really just a game of tech billionaires vs telecom/media billionaries
2025 is off to a good start.
........is it?
Dumpster fire speedrun any%
I was surprised that it wasn't the fifth circuit, then my shock faded: the sixth administers Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee, as well as Michigan.
The very first thing I checked for is which circuit it was, too, haha...
Of course the Loper Bright decision is going to be used to prevent federal agencies with helping improving anything. Judges be like "You can't rein in this corporate abuse because there's an app for it, bro. Totally different!"
its so scary to me what they are doing when they have not even been seated yet.
Does anyone know where President Muskrat stands on NN? Maybe there might be some silver lining there in that whole shit show :(
His internet, the only internet. Worldwide.
He has never been pro-net neutrality.
He is willing to throttle traffic that he doesn't like, which is explicitly anti-net-neutrality.
Sir Lord President Muskovitch owns an ISP, so he's on the side of whatever makes him more money, which is always going to not be the one that you're on.
Link that isn't behind a damn paywall.
Lol I edited the post just after posting to add in a paywall bypass link already, your instance might be having a federation delay
Is at least the California's net neutrality law in effect?
For Californians, yes
I expect that the 2030 census is going to have us growing again