This morning I could hardly find a headline to confirm Israel invaded Lebanon. Everything was about how scary Iran is.
What the fucking fuckery fuck media? How is Iran's response to Israel's invasion more important than Israel invading? I shouldn't have to dig for 20 minutes to confirm something like that.
I saw plenty of headlines about the invasion of Lebanon. It just happened first, so the newer headlines would be about the thing that just happened
These things happened hours apart. And many of the stubs behind the Iran headlines made no mention of why they would fire missiles at Israel. After today I won't be surprised when we start getting people in here who think Iran fired for no reason and Israel hasn't invaded Lebanon. It was an absolute failure of news media.
Sounds like something an antisemite would say! Why do you hate jews instead of the barbarian brown people, antisemite?
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I don’t know if things are different in the US but I haven’t seen much indifference to the bombing of Palestine. I’ve seen an awful lot of mention of children killed, etc.
The republican party is pushing bills through the lower branch that enshrine real antisemitism through Zionism. That's where US media and politics are at regarding the genocide.
They're somewhat different. Our news media doesn't properly question our security agencies (they basically stopped doing this after 9/11), and Israel is our strongest Middle East alley, so they tend to present the Israeli narrative of the war with little or no scrutiny. That being said, given the sheer amount of destruction and death caused by the Israeli bombings, our media really can't ignore the suffering of the Palestinians this time. They're still far too deferential to Israel's justification for the suffering, but they're not ignoring.
Have you heard about them bombing Lebanon yesterday though, or even for the last few months? It got a passing mention and only in the context of "this might cause Iran to respond". And there's a few more flags on that picture.
This depends a lot on where you are. This is a heavily partisan issue so you'll likely find rural Republicans who haven't seen many people IRL who have issues with the bombing of Palestine.
The beauty of not consuming any main stream media is that it can have said or not said anything you want to confirm your beliefs.
Its different from European coverage yes, but it's also not even remotely similar to what people like ozma keep claiming it is. The Palestine issue is being talked about CONSTANTLY, just perhaps still not with enough urgency. They then just hyperbolize it into shit like this "meme"
Because the entire western world seemingly has to tip toe around Israel and let them get away with whatever they want because of some collective shame and empathy Europe and America still feel for something that happened before most people in Israel today were ever born...
The holocaust was bad...yeah. But the fact that that tragedy somehow gives the state of Israel an unlimited pass in perpetuity to be assholes is just wrong.
The holocaust was used as something with which it was somehow immoral to compare other genocides in the 00s. Thus as a tool to make those more acceptable, cause no ongoing genocide can be as bad as the holocaust, or so pro-Israeli organizations say.
That was its only role.
While the David&Goliath narrative in the 70s and 80s was used to make Israel infallible in public opinion, paving the path for Israeli intelligence widely penetrating western governments and structures.
But even this wouldn't be critical, if not for the West becoming more authoritarian gradually. Notice how the ruling structures in the West have been becoming less and less mobile, the key figures fewer and fewer, less and less transparent, and also older and older, and the concepts of right, law, constitutional law, common sense and natural right fuzzier and weaker, surrendering the reality to fallback mechanisms - as in raw power.
The less transparent a structure is, the easier it can be controlled by blackmail, personal interests and deals that the public wouldn't want if it knew about them.
Say, about USSR in the 80s - the stereotypic picture of it being some geriatric non-transparent bureacratic warmongering state with fascist policies and degrading society, - it's correct. The problem is - it just aged faster. The West was simply late by a couple decades. Those components of USSR's collapse were not conditioned by totalitarian communism in any way. Just in the West late boomers are in power, while USSR was ruled by the last pre-war generation.
Israel is just one symptom.
So this can't be solved by any conformism, arguing by the rules, proving things in courts, voting in elections. Only by bravery, strength and taking responsibility backed only by what you want and your own decision, no law, rule or vote.
"Erm akshurally, did those civilians condemn Hummus" ☝️🤓
“waaa the consequences of my actions!”
Not true. In my country they reported on all of it. I've been reading and watching along.
Same I think. Here in the UK the main two TV news channels (BBC and Sky) have extensively reported on deaths and suffering in Gaza, and now they are reporting on the situation in Lebanon
Of course there are also right-wing papers (Telegraph, Express) who give the impression that Israel is always good and everybody else is always bad, but they're just one segment of the overall media
Do you like not read the news ever?
The funny thing is AP is actually also a primary source distributor, so they actually provide their reporting to thousands of media outlets so they can report the details. Unfortunately, because news outlets these days are focused on profits, we get stuff like this:
Kinda stupid when you consider more people probably read NYT than AP and Reuters combined, despite it being a secondary source. Or they go watch/read even more biased things on stuff like Fox.
All but one of those articles are a decade old, and they’re all op-eds, not news articles per se.
Don't be mad when opinion articles express peoples opinions. All the other shown articles are a decade old and/or opinion articles. There is room to complain, so why not do it accurately?
Replace the Israeli flag on top with an American flag and t this is more accurate. Americans moralizing about invasions and unjust wars lol
Israel and Iran going for a real war, would make the currently bad situation even worse. However it does come with the advantage that both countries might get rid of their shitty leaders.
I don't think that's true. Because Biden won't be able to resist. We'll have US troops on the ground and he'll still be saying Hamas is blocking the peace process.
Israel and Iran going for a real war, would make the currently bad situation even worse.
For who? It'll create more bad situations, but the currently bad situation in Palestine will get better, if anything. I know everyone is afraid of an all out war in the Middle East but in the long term it's one possible way to collapse the status quo and make way for a more sustainable future for the region. War is bad, but it's not worse than a warmonger getting to steamroll everyone else and Israel needs to regain the fear of God (and their neighbors) before there's ever a chance for peace. Egypt and Syria proved it in opposite directions in 1973.
Edit: A weaker Iran would also help countries like Lebanon and Iran gain some real independence (and turn the tide against Assad); they're definitely not sinless here.
There are anti war protests in Israel against Netanyahu since Hamas attack on the October 7th. As soon as the fighting ends an new election will be called and Netanyahu is probably going to loose that one. That would mean a more moderate government for Israel and the chance for a deal with the PLO. However a war with Iran delays this and we know what is going on in Palestine right now.
A weaker Iran might help, but the way of getting rid of Iran as a problem is a revolution within Iran. I doubt a war against Israel would help with that.
I beg to differ. Channel 4 News is one of the media outlets that is more critical of Israel then any other media I know of while still beeing focused on facts. I can only recommend it though if you are prepared to see dead bodies and utterly despaired people who just lost family members.
Hate agreeing with a troll, but here we are stomping through a field of broken clocks.
Ozma is anything but a troll. They're highly consistent in their political beliefs, and generally knows the topics they post about. Not everyone you disagree with is a troll or a foreign agent.
Small corrections: Iran launched missiles from their home soil; those weren't airstrikes. Unfortunately Israel's air force is unparalleled in the Middle East.
Imagine feeling the urge to back either side of this thousand-year conflict and also screaming about your moral superiority in doing so.
Stop supporting monsters.
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Please provide references and evidence of conflict spanning back a thousand years. The conflict started after the Ottoman Empire collapsed and the region got divided up in a colonial experiment by the French and British.
I'll take one shitty liberal democracy before I take five shitty far-right religious dictatorships.
Israel isn't a "liberal democracy", shitty or not. It's a fascist apartheid state. Please wake the fuck up.
Apartheid. Give me a break.
I remember apartheid. The minority race didn't let the majority race vote, citizens of the same country. That was what turned the world against South Africa, made Apartheid a crime against humanity.
Israel is an apartheid state because they don't let people from terra nullius vote in their elections? Okay buddy.
Shitty liberal democracy isnt a strong enough indictment of what is going on in Israel right now. Theyre well on their way to being another far right dictatorship.
They will have another election soon and can popularly reverse course, right?
I would say that, as people go, as the long arc of history bends slowly toward truth and justice, as human rights are hard won and hard kept, Israel is a diamond in the rough. I'm reminded of the words of Marquis de Lafayette, a rich French kid who joined the military at age 13, on the eve of the American Revolutionary War, which he volunteered to come over and fight, when he said "the good fortune of America is closely tied to the good fortune of all humanity."
At that time, obviously America still had a thriving slave trade; it wasn't about what America was right then, but what the idea of it could be, what the ideals of representative democracy could do for human kind.
Realize how crazy of an idea it is, how astonishing it is that in any place in any time, it came to be that there were no kings and the people chose their leaders? Prior to that, the law was literally "the king can do no wrong."
To even break free of the mental shackles of that kind of dark-ages governing took modern mankind hundreds and hundreds of years, spark to flame, and has been widely regarded as a great idea, having secured real civil and human rights to billions of people. How I see it anyway.
A rabidly racist Appartheid State founded on 19th century white colonialist values which it has preserved and even strengthened ever since isn't a Liberal Democracy, quite the contrary.
I don't think innocent people deserve to die just because they happen to not live in a liberal democracy. It's not like it's their choice, anyway, but even people who support their country's regime don't deserve to be killed for it.
Nobody thinks innocent people deserve to die, that's what innocent means. Don't have to deserve it to be killed incidentally, which is inevitable in war, and yet war can still be just.
As an aside, these are not distant, national, state-actor regimes. They are hyper-local partisans, non-state actors who are classified by most of the western world as terrorist organizations, doing things that most of the western world, including the ICJ, considers to be criminal: shooting 1,000 rockets a month as Israeli civilians.
Uh... You do realize Israel is an Apartheid state committing genocide right now right? That's like comparing 19th century America to the Ottoman empire, like yeah of course you're going to prefer the former if you're not Black or Native American.
