U.S. Rejects Putin’s Latest Call for Ukraine Negotiations

Good. Now also please give them the needed financial support

My question is why is the US rejecting anything, isn't that a war between Russia and Ukraine?

That's the reason they're rejecting it. From the article:

“Barring a Ukrainian demand signal” for peace talks, “there’s unlikely to be a push from Washington,” he said.

There's no negotiation needed. Russia moving out of Ukraine and paying for all damage until everything is pre crimea. If that is all done, rebuild and paid for, then, they can negotiate for less punishment on top. That's the kind of negotiation you start because both sides have something to gain and not one to keep his unjustified war territory.

If they are winning Ukraine could make demands. Currently it's just two sides sending people into the meat grinder.

Either the west gets serious about sending Ukrainians weapons or they seek a compromise. Using Ukraine to bleed Russia dry by just providing them enough weapons to keep the war going is pointless.
- I understand and don't take that lightly. I value human lives, but as I see it, Russia winning is no option, as they'll kill the remaining Ukrainian. It's simply fight or die. Russia has proven they don't stick to any negotiation, they therefore might as well not exist. Russia has broken all promises.
  
  I'm ashamed of every Euro I pay in taxes that isn't spend as a shell flying towards Russia. I prefer Ukrainian fighting for their country, more than me fighting Russias border moving closer towards the other European countries and losing Ukraine and all the good people living there.
Even if there is no punishment on top, if Putin ends up losing all he gained, heads will roll including Putin's. If he can gain any amount of land in a negotiation and end the war, he can go back to his people and say that it was all worth it and many of them will buy it.

Edit: *many

See, there's this slow motion guillotine hanging over Putin right now, and for each month of successive losses, it'll slowly be lowered until it reaches his neck.

Then, after a new favourite of the oligarchy and the generals have rubbed a few backs and made a few promises, said favourite will come up from behind and place his foot on the blade to force it through Putin's neck.

That's only speculation though.

Dude, the war has been over for over a year, Ukraine lost, they were never going to win, it was just the west trying to use their dead bodies to damage russia.
- Russia have lost nearly 400,000 people so far. They've crippled their economy and industry, not to mention scuppered any progress they made since the 90s. Ruined their growth in international standing and currently bending over for China and getting reamed on tech for the war by Iran. They have lost countless flagship military installments and their hold over the black sea.
  
  In the nearly 10 years since their initial invasion they have captured no more than 20% of Ukraine most of which was captured in 2014s Crimean annexation.
- How much ground has Russia gained in the last year?
  
  Also, remember when Russia said they'd get to Kyiv in 2 days? It's been a long 2 days.
- #BlueAnon report:
  
  Reporter: [REDACTED]
  
  Reason: Russky spy, no /s so prolly serious)

Why hasn't the cancer killed the mother fucker already?

Because that was always a propaganda piece, probably.

Has Putin actually called for negotiations? An off-hand comment in a Tucker Carlson interview doesn't seem quite like a serious offer.

Also it seems like Ukraine and ukrainians are still pretty much supporting war against Russian aggression: https://news.gallup.com/poll/512258/ukrainians-stand-behind-war-effort-despite-fatigue.aspx

The negotiation is get the fuck out of Ukraine you blithering waste of flesh.

All part of the attempt to sway the next election. Gives Cucker Tarlson an interview where he (Putin) proceeds to paint all of his actions as a poor humble Russian leader just trying to protect his own people from the big bad Ukranians. Then follows it up with an offer to negotiate peace, which shockingly the evil dictator Biden refuses to do. If only we had someone like the Cheeto Benito who's interested in peace leading the US, everything would be so much better for everyone! Queue troll farm spamming Twitter

based US

Based on what?
It is just going to have more death with no gain, how is that based?
- what kind of monster calls freeing your people from oppression, torture, and murder "no gain"?
- Negotiations with terrorists and war criminals famously go swimmingly.

U.S. and Ukrainian officials say that the best Ukraine’s military can hope for in the coming year, especially without more American aid, is to defend its current positions. Even so, Biden officials say they are not entertaining the idea of pressing Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, to negotiate with Mr. Putin.

This is the most eloquent. If you can't fight a war for win, then it's reasonable to try to gain some better results through negotiations. But the white masters don’t care about the losses of aboriginals.

Are you implying that white masters exist and implying that a European country can't decide what's better for it without consulting with white masters at the same time? Can I say that you are brainwashed by black masters?
Sorry... Are Ukrainians the aboriginals in this scenario or are the Russians the aboriginals?

Because I'm pretty sure they're both descended from Slavs and Vikings.

Not a single paragraph about the actual demands of Russia. Which they have stated often enough. Basically they don't want NATO right on their doorstep. This is what this whole war was about. But somehow this is never seriously discussed in western media.

If this war was about having NATO on their doorstep, why is it an invasion of a non-NATO country twenty years after the first neighbours of Russia joined NATO? It's never seriously discussed because it's either a lie or unfathomably stupid, and whichever of those two it is doesn't much matter.

Just for a second, imagine you're a neutral country in eastern Europe. Russia has been fucking with Georgia and Moldova since the fall of the Soviet Union, and now it invades Ukraine for the second time within a decade. Russia has never touched a NATO country despite bordering several of them for literally decades. And then Russia acts all shocked when you say you want into NATO
- Yeah and Russia protested strongly every time. But Ukraine was their red line. Just because you didn't read it in western media doesn't mean it didn't happen.
  
  I don't condone the invasion but it was predictable and a colossal "failure" of diplomacy if you look at it charitably. At worst it was a long term plan to force Russia into a conflict with the aid of western media to obscure the reason why this war was happening. Russia is acting just like the US would.
Then turning Ukraine into Russian territory is a bit counter productive no? That would literally bring NATO to Russias doorstep.
- They want a buffer zone. Makes sense in terms of military strategy.
It is discussed, it doesn't stand up to any reasoning as to why they captured the Crimean peninsula. They also stated that it was because Ukraine couldn't stop the rise of Nazism. So which is it? NATO or Nazis?

Ukraine is an independent country and if they want to join NATO they can, having a legitimate grievance doesn't excuse an invasion.

And even if it was true and was accepted, what a disaster it was because it bolstered a floundering NATO, grew membership and increased military spending across the continent. Truly a genius move.
- So which is it? NATO or Nazis?
  
  Hitler's chief of staff was never prosecuted and later became NATO chief of staff. Many such cases.
  
  Nazism wasn't defeated by the US, it was successfully internationalized by them.
But NATO already is on their doorstep. Norway, Estonia, Poland etc. Even USA is only a few mils away across the Bering Strait.

This is not about Ukraine joining NATO, that's a convenience.
I think you're missing a paragraph that tells how the border between Russia and NATO increased twofold since (and as the result of) the invasion.

"Hey it's all about NATO. We always wanted less NATO at our doorsteps, and you can see we tried our best to achieve this. That backfired, yes, but we ask you once again to... Ask all those countries nicely to withdraw from NATO. Having NATO at our borders is not healthy for our people, you see... With all those bio laboratories... And parent№1+parent№2 policy that you force on everyone..."
Basically they don’t want NATO right on their doorstep.

NATO is not the anti-Russia club. They're a defensive pact. Why would you be concerned about your neighbours agreeing to defend each other? Like a neighbourhood watch, perhaps. Maybe you'd be upset if you're planning to do the thing they're defending against. Which is all the more reason for those neighbours to band together.
- NATO was founded pretty much explicitly as the anti-USSR club. And it doesn't even matter what it factually is - it's what Russia perceives it as. See their final ultimatum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin's_December_2021_ultimatum
- Wait until you hear what that defensive pact did in Yugoslavia and Libya
While that may or may not be the case this does not permit interference of sovereign state from acting in its own best in own best interest.
- Agreed - but it does make it somewhat of an "own goal". The invasion was predictable. Western PR says it was totally surprising but it wasn't.
I don't want people like you in my comments but no one acknowledges that. So weird.
Because they don't get the option to choose. It's not that difficult. Those countries weren't clamoring to join NATO until Russia invaded, so its their own fault.
Basically they don’t want NATO right on their doorstep.

Have you looked at a map of Europe lately?
This whole shit storm has been about one thing. Putins legacy as the czar that reformed the USSR. That's it. He wants to lift the iron curtain high once more. It's all dick stroking by a madman.
Their demands are irrelevant while on the soil of a sovereign nation without authorization or sufficient leverage. Both of which are not only lacking but severely so.
which is a perfectly reasonable demand.

but since the US wants blood....
- No, demanding your neighbours all remain weak enough for you to continue bullying is not perfectly reasonable at all

America will never allow this war to end.

You know who has total power to end this war? Putin. Just get the fuck out of Ukraine and it’s over.

There’s really nothing to negotiate.
- They literally were negotiating at the start of the war for this exact outcome: Russia pulls out and Ukraine maintains neutrality.
  
  Johnson threw a wrench in those plans.
or because all putin has to do is stop invading ukraine. he doesn't get to invade and then negotiate to keep part of the place he invaded
I think that if Russia got the fuck out of Ukraine, we'd happily let the war end.
Bad take. Why negotiate with an aggressor who is literally invading and trying to absorb a neighbor. You would be rewarding that behavior and Russia gets to stop their unpopular war at the same time.
I mean, Putin won't either, the negotiations are just for gaslighting and propaganda. Basically it's about not negotiating with terrorists, America has plenty other wars going on and even without Ukraine intends to increase military spending. They don't need it, but it's not up to them if it ends.
- Basically it’s about not negotiating with terrorists, America has plenty other wars going on
  
  This level of double think is really amazing. Within one sentence, "US has plenty of wars" -> good guys, Putin has one war -> terrorist, literally Hitler.
  
  I'm not condoning Putin btw. It's just baffling all the excuses that are made for US aggression vs Russian aggression. Can you imagine if China put their weapons into Mexico? They'd be stupid to do that. But that's what Ukraine wants. In the end it's Ukraine, Russia and the tax payer that looses.
TIL Vladimir Putin is America's puppet.