SovCits are all like this: they want the benefits of living in our society but they don't want to pay any of the costs. They want to drive on the roads, but not pay taxes or vehicle registration. They want utilities like electricity and water, but not pay the bills. They think they're entitled to stuff without cost. They don't even want to pay their child support.
SovCits think words have an inherent magical power and knowing the right words gives them more power than if some other rando person. Their entitlement is from them thinking they have outsmarted the system. They are what dumb people think smart people act like.
I swear SovCits are an embedded cargo cult.
They're special magic words they had to go out of their way to learn, yet they expect everyone to understand them...
SovCits have been who boomers were really talking about when they said "millennials"?
“Sovereign citizen” is a really complicated way to say freeloader..
I mean, to be fair, I don't want to pay any of that either. If I could get away with not paying anything while getting all the benefits of paying, then I would, but im not an absolute moron so I pay my taxes and bills.
I don't know, maybe I'm a weirdo, but I don't actually want stuff for nothing. If I'm getting something from you, I want you to get something in return that makes it worth your while. I don't want you to rip me off, but I want you to be able to live off of what you provide me and others. Of course, I also want to be able to earn enough doing what I do to be able to afford to pay you for what you do.
Maybe what they’ve wanted this whole time is jail. Even free food and housing.
they want the benefits of living in our society but they don’t want to pay any of the costs
Same tbh, at least in the sense of wanting to be allowed to exist by default.
Except they want much more than that. For instance they want every single benefit that you pay taxes for, but they don't want to pay the taxes. It's not that they all want to go live off grid and be their own person, they want to do everything you do and have everything you have, but they don't feel like they should have to pay for it.
Grown entitled toddlers, got it.
Sell the heavy son.
I came to say "kill the heavy son", but you beat me to it
Simple answer, but they won't like it.
Autopay.
Live in a tent down by the river and stock up on batteries.
Difficult, but doable answer: build your own power and water infrastructure.
These sovereign citizens are really thinking they found some sort of glitch in the system. “I dOnt rEcoGnize tHe goVERmEnT anD sOcieTY, I dIdnT siGn No soCiaL cOnTrAct buT I dO like yaLls LEctriCiTY”
This is that libertarian mindset to a t.
TIL Milton Friedman was a Sovereign Citizen.
Solar panels mostly, it's viable but expensive, hope your job pays well!
And a good battery. Get it running on island mode and you're all good.
...or just do a meter bypass like dodgy people do with "grow rooms".
SovCits are a symptom of the breakdown of the social contract, not one of the causes.
It's more a symptom of village idiots finding each other on the web and convincing themselves that they are not idiots. Its a feature of an interconnected world.
It makes sense when you realize they are truly stupid and have been taken in by a con. They get into situations they don't understand, people say magic words they don't understand and they get put in jail. Someone comes along and explains it in such a way only an idiot would believe about magic words and they want to get out. They don't actually understand the words they are using or the context/concepts thar the words that are being used against them represent... And suddenly here we are.
They have the morality of an atomized corporation. Always trying to externalise costs to the rest of the planet. All that matters is their own short term needs.
It's like a cargo cult of late stage capitalism.
Definitely not a cause. For a while they were a pain in the ass. Courts and lawyers didn't know how to deal with them and they would keep coming back and back with appeals and collateral actions. Now there's a whole playbook for disposing of their bullshit, doesn't jam things up anymore.
It was originally a mail order scam targeting poor, uneducated people who were charged with crimes, desperate to believe any promise of help.
I know a lawyer about a decade ago who worked for a country government dealing with one. He told me that if the guy had 6 friend he could probably fully demolish the entire government of the county. They would be bankrupt from lawsuits, everyone would be afraid to do anything for fear of getting dragged in, nothing could get approved.
I don't know if he was exaggerating or not but I think there is some truth to it. Things do seem to work only because no one has decided to stop it from working.
Or maybe they never got past the stage of development where they understand that other people exist.
I think they're more a symptom of some people wanting to feel special. Everywhere has selfish people indignant that they have to pay for goods and/or services they use.
Those are just words.
There’s that damn social contract I keep hearing about. Still have yet to seen one written.
Do you not have Google?
It is an implied thing not a tangible written down thing. Which is common in life. For example you are sitting on a bus with your headphones on, it is understood that I don't sit next to you and try to talk to you, unless something out of the ordinary happens and this is critical. In the grocery store you know that your cart goes on the same side of the aisle as you drive on.
All this stuff adds up and it becomes a basket of little rules. Follow them and things will go smoothly, don't and they will go less smoothly. It doesn't mean that your life is going to be even good it doesn't mean nothing bad will happen to you it doesn't mean everyone who breaks it will be punished. It is not even aspirational it is empirical. It is is how human civilization works.
I'm noticing a common theme with the "sovereign citizens" where they can't for the life of them look at what they're typing or use the backspace key
They don't recognize the backspace keys authority.
I DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL TREATY WITH THE BACKSPACE KEY
while keeping the light son
seems a little racist
It's easy. Strip the wires before and after your electric meter, and attach jumper cables to either side.
It's safe to do this with no protective equipment, just be sure to shout "I do not understand your intent" at the electricity first. That way it will be unable to fry you.
Sovereign citizens are hilariously entertaining. I love it when they post videos of themselves in court and decide on their own that they "won" because the judge got pissed off and walked away after dismissing everyone.
Entertaining, yes.. until you live next to one and they decide that, for example, your backyard is their dumpster.
They would be introduced to my sovereign right to beat their ass.
ARE YOU DETAINING ME?
Solar Panels
This guy captures sunlight for later
Utility companies hate this one trick, which is why they cut you off.
Light some candles
Simple: get rid of the heavy son.
I too want to know this one trick.
Build an enormous induction coil under the power lines?
No contract, no power. Super simple stuff.
How could they twist that?
maybe weird answer but...
- depending on overall comfort and freedom desires, you/he could have a look on crimes that happened and how they would be prosecuted, quit renting contracts or sell, tell police one of the crimes was actually you/him and for some month/years the bills will vanish. when living in one of the most shitty countries of the world, police and court might be fully ok if they enprison an innocent anyway and you/he could help someone safe his (bad) ass.
- not the expected answer? maybe just find a flat where street lights shine in all night and quit the utility contracts (or just don't sign up) done: lights will stay on ;-)
- maybe even better: help healing the world and help fixing politics and utility bills could vanish all over the world, all needed resources are ready available, it just needs a big fix of their distribution.
even though maybe weird, all of above ideas would work =D hope you/he choose no 3
regards ..
I would suggest a bonfire and a torch.
I'm pretty sure everyone thinks these people are idiots. Rightfully so. If you want to be a part of society, then you contribute like everyone else.
If you want to be a part of society, then you contribute like everyone else.
How does this argument work for the poor on benefits? Do you suggest eliminating social welfare programs?
No, I expect the government to help these people to get back on their feet. Welfare programs are great but they aren't enough.
