Bosses mean it this time: Return to the office or get a new job! — As office occupancy rates stagnate, employers are giving up on perks and turning to threats
Bosses mean it this time: Return to the office or get a new job! — As office occupancy rates stagnate, employers are giving up on perks and turning to threats
Bosses mean it this time: Return to the office or get a new job! — As office occupancy rates stagnate, employers are giving up on perks and turning to threats::undefined
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Yeah, companies that are sticking to optional office attendance are going to snap up the best employees. Look for innovation coming from them.
This exactly.
A year or two back there was an article about companies trying to return to office- the CEO of some upstart engineering company had a quote like 'every time one of our competitors announces return to office we kick our recruitment into overdrive. We get all the best people that way'.The companies that push return to office aren't going to keep their most productive and intelligent workers. They're going to keep the ones who can't find anything better.
It's really kind of funny... this is a combination of short-sighted management who think that being able to physically see their employees working somehow makes them more productive, and real estate- lot of dollars invested in commercial real estate and CEOs don't want to admit their flashy new HQ in Silicon Valley was wasted money.
Give me a good reason and I'll come back to the office. None of this "it's more productive" bullshit. We know that one is a lie. I'm also not wasting my time commuting to an office just to support the local McDonald's, gas stations, etc.
Your company CEOs golf buddies from the real estate business are complaining that they are losing money because rental office space value is dropping. It's the only reason.
At some point they'll cook up some funded research to show that remote working is detrimental in various ways and soon the 1% will demand the end of remote working, due to looming economic Armageddon. However bs science takes time.
Your company CEOs golf buddies from the real estate business are complaining that they are losing money because rental office space value is dropping. It’s the only reason.
That's a cynical view thinking that's the only reason. /s
Another reason may be that the company received generous tax breaks from the municipality or state to have workers working in a specific place, and now all those workers are spread out to different cities, counties, or even states, the tax man is getting angry and threatening to take the company pay up. So bosses are forcing workers back into office even though it is more costly to workers and makes them less productive.
They have a very good reason: control.
They have another good reason: AI monitoring such as WADU
Sure they can turn your remote camera on and snap pictures if you’re remote but what if it’s covered? Even if the cam is working fine they don’t get cameras catching you in and out of bathrooms, break rooms, etc. THAT is why they need us in office
Gasp!
Now what will head management do when they want to give random people tours of their company! Think of all the empty desk spaces potential investors might see! (That's one thing I'll be happy to see hopefully end eventually. The people giving the tours where I work barely know anything about any of the processes or procedures. )
On a serious note, even from the capitalism mindset, this doesn't make a lot of sense. Even if they already paid out a lease for their building, they would still be saving on regular maintenance costs, and they would have a good reason to downsize their physical location when possible. (Saving money, long term). Fewer employees being at work may also mean fewer workplace injuries. (Saving money, long term).
I work from home and don't want to go back into the office. But there are a few people on my team who are MAJOR sandbaggers who are going to ruin it for the rest of us. Pisses me off.
Because we know that when you’re working from home you’re just playing TikTok and eating cheese puffs for half the day. When you’re in the office the manager can help you stay focused and get more work done. Plus, you don’t have the same kind of camaraderie and team spirit over a zoom call. I used to go into the office at my business several times a month just to tell my employees how much I appreciate them with a hearty pat on the back. Now that they aren’t there, how can I even do that? Send a back-patting emoji to them on zoom?
My partner's employer recently tried this. He works for a mental health agency. That mental health agency has issues with compensation, recruiting, and retention. Yet the CEO insisted that everyone come back, despite the fact that productivity has improved with remote work. In fact, a lot of their patients prefer telehealth.
"Take a title demotion, come back into the office, or quit. Pick one."
The mass exodus has been astounding. There's no chance they'll be able to fill in the gaps left by senior clinicians. Demand for psychologists is sky high right now, and just about every other employer pays more and allows telework.
The patients will be the real victims of this attempt at a "power play."
"Take a title demotion, come back into the office, or quit. Pick one."
"No, I think I'll keep working from home until you fire me despite you dramatically altering my working requirements."
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It’s funny how at least American employers act like we’re not at full employment. While the market isn’t as good for employees as it was about a year ago, the employees still have more leverage than the employers.
It’s not quite that simple. The job market is pretty wonky right now. Around 180,000 tech workers got laid off at the beginning of the year (including myself) and even in high-level somewhat niche roles, I see job postings that have 300-1200 applicants.
At this point businesses have two options:
- Bite the bullet, terminate lease agreements and pay the fines associated, then advertise yourself as a full remote company and attract global talent.
- Be penny wise and pound foolish, stomp your feet, slowly hemmorage the best employees until you're left with people whose only talent is playing office politics.
We'll see how this plays out in the long run, it wouldn't be out of character for the owner class to start needling their pet politicians to devalue currency even more to put those pesky workers in their place.
There is another option:
- Downsize the office to better fit with the number of people who do actually want to be in the office, either full or part time, and don't cause a huge ruckus about people who prefer to work remotely.
At my job, most people are in the office 2-3 days a week, but there are a few who are there nearly every day. We also have some people who are remote/WFH, including a few who are remote even though they live very near by.
owner class to start needling their pet politicians to devalue currency
Literally no capital investment firm would ever do that. This severely weakens their positions for growth via M&A and limits their ability to globalize trade.
Says a person that doesn't know the difference between "you're" and "your". Not very persuasive.
I see no counter-arguments in your reply.
Says a person that doesn't know the difference between "you're" and "your". Not very persuasive.
My brother in Christ, there is a way to correct someone’s syntax. This is not the way.
I'm lucky my role is remote and even though it's not required I spend a day fortnight in my office as we still have staff who have to be on site.
Head of our company is pushing to get rid of our offices in Australian capital cities as they were just for administrative roles and client meetings.
The staff who have roles that need to be on site have been given extra training to be able to do other roles with remote options.
Maybe we are fortunate to not care about work/city culture here and making work more difficult to keep cities "bustling" seems like a real cunt of a move aimed at the worker.
I highly doubt the push is due to anything but the profitability of commercial real-estate, hospitality, probably councils etc, and a range of other businesses that benefit from millions of daily customers coming to their locales — all the businesses built around a high level of centralization, and refuse to adapt to the changing world.
Micromanagement and extroverts who love the social routine are the minority being used to distract us from the scared capital.
Same. The only reason I took the role I’m in is for fully remote. If that’s gone I’m out. That being said I still go in once in a while just to get out of the house. I’ll try and go in more in the summer to save on turning on the aircon at home. If companies are reasonable so will employees.
For such "genius" "business leaders" they sure can't understand the concept of supply and demand
They just want to make people they view as lesser than them suffer.
Suffer on the way to work, suffer finding a parking spot, suffer getting into the building, suffer working, suffer getting out of the building, suffer getting back to the car, suffer on the way home
Over and over your asshole bosses are getting off on your suffering
Well yeah, but also I think it's just that the same people who own these businesses that people work for, and the friends and family of those people, also own lots of property much of which is office space which they don't want to lose money. That and all of the businesses (e.g. Starbucks) and the property they're in that partially make money from people on their way to work. And if you want to go even deeper, if people are WFM then they may not have to eat out as often, might not need to pay for a lot of things as often if they have more time.
So much money can be lost and rich people all know each other and have class consciousness, I think that's why we're seeing so much anti-WFM propaganda
This is the key, and it cuts in different ways and needs planning strategy.
If we don't go into town, then the businesses associated with going to work in town are in trouble, so coffee, lunch, snack, may as well get a book, after work drinks and then late food. All have less customers. Some of whom are themselves!
So a spiral of decline, less retail jobs in town, less secondary and tertiary employment "in town".
Theoretically we can now spend some of that money locally IF the local has the supply and this is where political strategy is needed to replan where we sleep as always where we spend our casual cash. And in many cases these dormitories are not well planned for that.
So unfortunately we need to wait out this next phase of resistance in order to build political consensus for zoning and planning for more sustainable local hubs.
return to office or get a new job
I've chosen the latter twice and have been thrilled with the results every time
I'd choose "fire me and I'll collect unemployment instead of giving you a free out for finding my replacement without paying for my exit".
This is the answer- especially if the job description explicitly states remote work. It's a significant shift in job requirements. That can count as constructive dismissal.
Headline seems weasel-wordy.
Numerically vague expressions (for example, "some people", "experts", "many", "evidence suggests")
I.e., are most bosses doing this? 50%? 20%?
Do that and I’ll find another one just to spite you.
Executives: But we have a 20 year lease on this enormous office building! You guys have to come back! Besides, we can't breathe down your necks or waste 6 hours of your day (plus commute) if you're at home actually being productive! Wait, why am I telling the truth? I never tell the truth. Not too my wife, my mistress, my kids, my parents, or the IRS, much less you parasites! Don't you know how much more money I could have if I didn't have to pay you ungrateful peasants?
Should've known my company would never let work from home be permanent. They own the building and the land.
Bold strategy cotton let's see how it plays out for them.
I can tell you the headline the bossman will have in the coming months.
No one wants to work anymore
But, lets me honest, that's basically the free square in bingo now.
No one wants to work anymore
We just don't wanna work for people who don't get it when so many other people do.
Natural Selection.
“The pendulum has shifted from employees having all the power,” wow how could that have possibly happened
And they'll win, eventually. They'll take the L, replace employees over time and suffer for it but in the end they will win and we'll all be back in office
Especially if the pay higher wages to get fresh blood.
If they pay me more to go back into office, then I'll take the trade if the money is high enough. Everything has a price, as they say. But it better be worth all the extra shit you have to deal with, least of all being the sick people at the office. I haven't gotten sick since COVID started basically
Is anyone actually living this out there or is this all just bullshit?
My old boss started pushing RTO heavy. He was already a stereotypical failure of a manager, doling out useless kudos when we want.fucking.training.budget.keith, and chasing that sales-dick limelight all the time.
He's not my boss anymore. On a day off I came in, dropped off my shit, lobbed a note into my file in HR, and peaced out.
My new company gave me one extra week of holiday but my pay cut was 3% for the first year. 100% WFH and it's in the union agreement. Can't work from outside the country in case it's secret-squirrel (data sovereignty).
Near V5H postal.
The letter defense company I work for is forcing everyone back into the office at the end of the month.
:raises hand:
One of the offices doesn't even have room for all the employees. They have people working in conference rooms.
I haven’t seen it, personally (Toronto)
My work has us on a stupid hybrid schedule, but if WFH is ever ended completely, I'm gone.
You guys have been working from home?
Absolutely living this out. I just quit my job at Amazon because they wanted me to be back in the office or be fired, in a different city than the one I live in and started at the company at, eleven years ago. I chose to quit so that I'm still rehirable if I need to go back.
Other people have it worse than me, especially if they are on H1B visas where the option is RTO or GTFO of the country if you can't find employment soon enough.
Haven't dealt with it personally, but know of people who have. The one constant is that the places I've heard of that have a RTO mandate are short-staffed and brain-drained.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The new pushes for in-person work mark a major shift as executives directly acknowledge the challenges with the model — in some cases saying productivity has declined, and citing fewer opportunities for spontaneous collaboration, mentorship and connection-building.
President Biden recently called on Cabinet officials to urge their employees to return to offices this fall, as downtown D.C. struggles to regain its pre-pandemic crush of commuters.
The goal, Patel said, is to “get people excited” to come into the office to connect with their colleagues without overburdening them or limiting their ability to do focused work — something that’s been a struggle in the age of ballooning Zoom meetings.
Free food, great tools and attractive workspaces are a big draw, but HqO’s data shows that “the number one thing people want out of a workplace is concentration space,” Garbarino said.
With President Biden calling for federal workers to return to offices this fall, she may soon have to brave a two-hour commute through Chicago rush hour and rework her child-care plan — or consider a more drastic change.
The company now funnels energy and resources that used to go to stocking offices with coffee and snacks and determining operating hours toward creating intentional (and less frequent) opportunities for employees to connect in-person.
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I am one of those folks that simply doesn't have the personal discipline to work from home. There are literally dozens of us. While office life is lonely now, there's no way that people who don't need to be in the office to be productive should be made to come in. That said, my GF has a coworker who is WFH for a company that is based in the South but they chose to live in NYC (they didn't live there at first) and are getting paid NYC wages, which somehow doesn't seem fair.
I’ve got a weird and kind of opposite experience to your GF’s coworker: I started my current job as a remote employee this year. I think the median wage in my area is like 50k, but I’m making more than twice that because of my role’s market rate in areas like Silicon Valley and NYC. So I’m living relatively large considering my area. But I’m also not actually living large right now; we went for a 15 year mortgage term to minimize interest and allow us to actually live it large when we own our home at a relatively young age. It’s definitely weird to know I’m making baller wages compared to a lot of folks around me, but living within similar constraints as them.
Employees need to bite the bullet and come back to work. You had enough time sitting around in your underwear and skating off.
If that was an attempt at a joke, it failed.
If it wasn't, now is the time to elaborate on it.
You don't need to simp this hard, an Indian shill does it for far less than you do already. And does it remote!