As Donald Trump took the oath of office on Jan. 20, he was flanked by some of the world’s wealthiest people. The billionaires present that day — including Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg — had never been richer, flush with big gains from frothy stock markets.
Summary
Since Trump’s second-term inauguration, five top billionaires have lost a combined $209 billion as markets react to policy uncertainty.
Elon Musk’s net worth plunged $148 billion as Tesla shares collapsed amid declining European and Chinese sales.
Jeff Bezos lost $29 billion as Amazon stock fell 14%.
Sergey Brin’s fortune dropped $22 billion following Alphabet’s weak earnings and regulatory pressure.
Mark Zuckerberg and Bernard Arnault each lost $5 billion as Meta and LVMH stocks tumbled.
The S&P 500 is down 6.4%, reversing gains seen post-election.
Ridiculous how some people pander, especially the press, to the billionaire set.
When they have a downturn in net worth people say they “lost” money, or are “poorer” even though they’re still worth billions.
But when they’re making money hand over fist, millions of dollars daily, people act like that money doesn’t exist. “Oh, it’s tied up in investments, you can’t tax it…It’s not income! It’s not in their bank account.”
Always the poor billionaires; perpetually simultaneously unable to touch their money, complaining when they lose money they ”don’t have,” and living like billionaires with all the conspicuous consumption that goes with it.
Billionaires remembering why they were supporting the covert right winger Democrats instead of the Republicans. Because a veneer of illusion is needed to keep their empire running.
Good. Since they drive their wealth from using the value of their stocks as leverage to get loans, having these stocks collapse will not only make their loans smaller (not sure by how much), but they will have to pay using more of their dividends than what they expected
In short, they will get less money and it will cost them more to pay it back.
When someone has this much money, it doesn't matter if they buy the presidency, buy the media, buy the means to live, buy people's rights... It doesn't matter. They will never get the respect and love they desperately seek like all humans do. They will never love themselves until they understand that their wealth isn't earned and they aren't special. We don't consider ourselves better than anyone as a human and then not get depressed and lonely. It's not difficult for us to accept kinship with all humans, but almost impossible for them.
Acting like they have the billions as liquid cash is weird.
IF, and its a big if, they would start selling their assets in order to liquidate their stocks, the assets would nosedive in value to fucking hell. Most of their wealth is smoke and mirrors. Most of them spend money by borrowing cash against their assets.
Tax them so they have to lend or sell some assets to pay their fair share.
It’s pretty common knowledge how these billionaires leverage the value of their stocks/assets as collateral against loans, in order to avoid having to pay capital gains tax.
Even though it’s not liquid cash, there really isn’t much to preclude them from taking out cash loans up to like 70-80% of their value if they ever wanted to (not that they would, as cash depreciates in value due to inflation).
So while you are correct that if they ever had to liquidate their shares the value would plummet significantly - unless something catastrophic happens and the value of those assets plunges well below an acceptable level to their financiers, it will never happen.
If you owe the bank a $100 and can’t pay it back, that’s your problem. If you owe the bank $100m, that’s their problem.
The whole monetary system is smoke and mirrors. If people don't consume more than last year the entire system can collapse and central banks buy up all the debt that is suddenly considered bad.
Then we wonder how stores of value like housing, gold, and bitcoin can rise so astronomically in nominal terms.
Capitalism does not "collapse" with 0 or negative GDP growth. I don't know where people got this idea. You only really see any sort of "collapse" if the social structure breaks down - the basic behaviors of trading continue even in extreme crises, insofar as a society operates with property assigned to individuals like that. Not counting "bubbles" and such as a "collapse".
Good let’s make it another 200 billion EACH and even then that won’t be enough as they’ll all still have hundreds of billions of dollars which is absolutely insane
and the American retirees who depend on their savings lost trillions to these idiots. A majority of those retirees voted conservative, but I feel bad for the ones who didnt.
As you get closer to retirement, the usual strategy is to shift from a stock-heavy portfolio to something less volatile. The retirees getting burned are the ones who were too ignorant or greedy to do that.
I would say most of it is meaningless other than Elon and specifically Tesla, Tesla stock prices plumetting will remove most of the power from Elon in the future, even Trump might turn on him once his main thing his net worth evaporates
Musk is only a part of the problem, and Musk will have to lose another 110 billion before he even stops being the richest man in the world.
I'd love to see that happen but I'm not holding my breath. Meanwhile it does nothing but enrich powerful Disaster capitalists including Putin and his coterie.
Id be willing to bet that tesla is no bigger than 10% maximum of his worth. His big ones are space X that just chugs our tax money, and starlink, which I believe is being used as navigation in weapons systems being sold to nations. Tesla is effectively meaningless now.
Unfortunately this hurts many other people more than those few. Anyone with a 401k or investments, people who work for those companies, and consumers will all have their lives impacted more than the billionaires. It should have never gotten to that point of having these billionaires to begin with.
Also only meaningful if they can't buy up actual, tangible assets in the coming recessions, effectively converting their dead capital into more assets. (+ getting more state money for being "too big to fail")
No, they're gonna. It's exactly what happened last recession. The pain got offshored to the workers, and the people with assets used the moment to leverage their assets to buy more assets on the cheap.
You don't win by them just losing some money. Redistribution is the name of the game. Even if Tesla hits 0/share, you aren't getting any more wealth just by virtue of that happening.
...Aside from basking in the downfall of a nazi of course, but those are priceless things.
Them losing billions is meaningless. Don't for this: if you had 1 billion dollars, and you lost 99% of it, you still have 10 million dollars, which is more than what most people will ever have.
Their entire industries need to be nationalized and ALL their assets seized.
So what? It's not like their bank accounts got affected. Their shares are valued less which means they did not loose money but the lost money they could have had.
They lost pretend money that could be used for business loans that they don't need because they have so much pretend money. The only time it matteds for these parasites is if it happens when they are acquiring another company worth billions of pretend monies.
Even a stock market collapse is a benefit to these chucklefucks.
Matters at least a bit. For instance, Musk has signalled his interest in buying OpenAI. He will find it far harder to get the money for it now that Tesla shares have nosedived.
More generally with Tesla it is difficult to make a business case for the existence of the company right now, since Musk alienated his entire potential consumer base. I wouldn’t be surprised if the company gets sold into parts in the text two years or so.
Some of them (ahum you know which one) did lose actual value: the entire credibility of their biggest brands are down the drain for years to come... In that way the stockprices do really show that they are losing out. Some others really are losing (sort of) equal access to big important markets... The loss is real, even tho I agree with the sentiment of your post, the lowering stocks predict lowering income, lowering dividends which these people expect to rake in eternally to keep their billionaire lifestyle afloat, etc. They are slowly becoming less wealthy from the shennanigans. Not quick enough tho. A billionaire is a thing that just shouldn't be allowed to exist ever anywhere.
Not really. Comparative wealth of the entire USA is declining, the Billionaires are still on top. If Elon Musk loses 99% of his wealth he would still be a billionaire.
What this really means is that people around the world outside of the USA no longer view it as a stable investment.
They like the stock market going down, since it'll eventually go back up and meanwhile they still have billions available to buy up a lot more stock on the cheap while it's down.
It remains to be seen if their kissing the ring was strategic or just tactical (apart from Musk, who is committed), but what they've bought wasn't a good economy. They bought into the transition from democracy and capitalism to authoritarian oligarchy.
Dollars don't describe the value of Russia-level corruption, which is where the country is now pointed. And the longer-term gains from captured institutions would far outpace a hundred billion dollars or two, if they succeed.
False - these billionaires use their stock as collateral for loans. It’s all part of a tax avoidance scheme. If the stock goes down significantly, the banks come knocking.
Both of the billionaires pictured also head their companies in some way or another. Investors can vote to throw them out. Not that they would, but even the vote of no confidence is not a good look.
Banks may come to them, but hardly knocking with demands. 'If you owe the bank $100, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem.' And how they interact with banks, loans, etc. is far different in scale and method than the average consumer anyway.
The only solace to watching all my retirement and investments get cratered is the fact that the assholes that brought this all about are taking the bigger hit.
he is an android, his public appearances have always have him acting like a robot. he stays in his "alcove" while uploading META-data into his "brain" when hes not in public.