"Dead language"
Dude it doesn't count if you're literally killing the language on purpose
Yup. Wish my Welsh grandfather could’ve lived to see this.
It's also not a dead language by any stretch of the imagination. Even latin isn't technically a dead language since it is still used.
Imperialists calling something dead is often just wishful thinking.
A dead language is one that isn’t used by real people everyday, not a language some academics can still speak.
That’s why Welsh and Irish are basically considered dead to many because the native speakers are so few that it could disappear very easily.
Also who the fuck speaks Latin still? Does the papal city place in Italy even speak that during it’s day to do going ons?
“Just seen”
“Just saw” is accepted shorthand for “I/we just saw…” “I have seen…” is acceptable if you’re saying that you’ve watched a movie 27 times.
Even substituting in “I just have seen” in the OP doesn’t make grammatical sense to me.
The guy should probably worry more about his own English than other people’s Welsh.
"Just seen" is an example of a participle element of English tenses that doesn't align with the formal rules of the English language but has become common colloquialism in many English dialects.
The correct tense concept to classify it under is past-present tense. Not past tence or present tence, as it's talking about a past event from the perspective of the present.
Just registered on Lemmy at last to pitch in! "I've just xyz" is much more common in most Englishes than "I just xyz", because the present perfect tense implies some connection to the present, hence "present perfect", and is perfectly correct English. The author has simply omitted "I've", which is common in colloquial speech. This is also common in Dutch, a closely related language that I speak every day as a second language, if that helps legitimise it for anyone: "net gezien" as shorthand for "ik heb net gezien". In fact, while there are a number of problems with the post, none of them are ("none of them is" for the pedants) grammatical. I assume from the English in your post that it's not your first language so hopefully this is more helpful than annoying.
For reference: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/grammar/online-grammar/present-perfect-simple-with-just-already-and-yet
“Just seen” sounds just fine to my Canadian ear. They’ve omitted the “I’ve” but it doesn’t matter.
The phrase “I just have seen” though sounds choppy and backwards.
Meh
Typical unionist. Adores the kingdom but hates all the different cultures inside of it.
dead language
If people learn it, and people use it, it is by definition not a dead language.
This is some colonialist BS.
Also, over half a million Welsh speakers exist in Wales, accounting for roughly 20% of the population. It's hardly dead.
Also, isn't Welsh the Celtic language with the most native speakers?
Well Latin is a dead language, people do learn and use it. But there is no new words, or evolution of the language.
Not really, there is an office at the Vatican charged with maintaining orthodox Latin, and they are also responsible for neologisms for contemporary concepts, so that they can weigh in on cell phones, hot dogs, or weapons of mass destruction.
One example:
"hot pants" -> "brevíssimae bracae femíneae"
Resurrected Language might be a better way to put it, the Welsh that people speak today is mostly an academic construction (which also applies to French and Portuguese, that isn't meant as an insult).
what do you mean about french and portuguese being academic reconstructions?
For French it is an insult. Descriptivism is lame
Modern Hebrew is another good example of this. Possibly the most successful language revitalization project of all time.
Proposal:
Force the English to learn Welsh and rename the English language to American
🇬🇧 English (Traditional)
🇺🇲 English (Simplified)
It's funny because it's backwards (verbally, spelling is it's own thing)
Canada: throws chair
Yeah, let's rename it to Canadian.
Edit: Be the change you want to see, tell your instance admin to run this SQL query:
UPDATE language SET name = 'Canadian' WHERE id = 37
Welsh here. Not everyone speaks it, but that's because the English (even as late at the 1950's) used the school system to literally beat it out of us (look up the Welsh Not). Even with that concerted effort to force the language out, it's growing again after a few generations have passed. Being from the south, I know relatively few people who speak it fluently, but I know exactly 0 people who would actually want it abolished.
My cousin is dating a guy who’s first language is welsh. His family live basically at the base of Snowdonia. He is fluent in English but welsh is definitely his preferred language. I thought he was a bit aloof when I first met him but he later explained he finds it hard to keep up with the conversation and be as witty and quick in English as he is in welsh, especially in a noisy pub. He’s in his early 30s and all his friends from home are bilingual but consider their native language welsh.
the British trying not to commit cultural genocide for 10 Minutes (impossible)
If I had actually learnt/used the language then maybe I would feel less indifferent to it and have a connection to Welsh heritage. I don't think it should be abolished at all but I might be tempted to make it optional rather than compulsory for practical reasons (I don't hold that view strongly). Ideally we have more languages as compulsory.
Nah the national language is compulsory in pretty much every country.
Here in Germany we obviously have German classes, but also compulsory English and in many schools compulsory 2nd foreign language. For me this was the choice between french and Latin. Other regions have Dutch, Danish, polish, Italian or Spanish.
So, no hurt in making Welsh compulsory.
The Brits did not learn from their last open vote I see.
They should have stopped at Boaty McBoatface, really.
No, keep it going, ruin the fucking toastbeaners.
This seems like rage bait. The smug british stereotype is too perfect.
It is as well as being in old repost
Anyone who thinks Welsh is a dead language clearly has never visited West or North Wales.
Bring back Cornish and the other minority languages too. Who knows, it might make the place more tolerant of other cultures.
Wel, shit
Yoons typically bang on about the importance of conservation of tradition, UK culture and values but are incredibly quick to deny its national languages. Usually as they see this as a threat to the union instead of something wonderful to protect and promote in modern Britain.
You should see some of the rhetoric on twitter regarding dual road signs. Some madlad got lost driving to Fort William as the sign also says An Gearasdan.
I wonder what the general kill count for languages that can be directly attributed to the english.
I mean, we fucked up the world for centuries so it’s gotta be pretty high. Would you blame Native Americans and indigenous Canadians losing their language on the English or the Americans/Canadians out of interest? We certainly got the ball rolling, but the new North Americans saw it through.
What's Welsh for moron? Because this guy is that.
What's Welsh for moron?
Carrot
Now do microwave :)
Da iawn
Araf
What culture would willingly lose its culture?
Makes no sense
Ah, but the Welsh clearly have no culture and must therefore kindly be uplifted by the English. Just like how Russia is currently trying to uplift Ukraine.
(And just to be sure: /s. Imperialism is bad, no matter what national brand.)
I love seeing prpaganda campains fail publicly
I bet he speaks only one language. What a moron!
It's always the chucklefuck who only speaks one language that wants to abolish "dead" languages.
FYI, here in North of France we've got a regional meal called Welsh, which is composed of a grilled slice of bread, ham or bacon, drown in a preparation of melted cheddar, Guinness beer, Worcestershire sauce and mustard. It goes with chips and a pint of pills. It's part of our hangover medication. You can top it with a pan fried egg.
Here is a video (in French I'm afraid)
https://www.cuisineaz.com/recettes/welsh-complet-77338.aspx
Anyway, don't mess with the Welsh or the North will come beat your ass.
It’s called Welsh rarebit and it’s plenty common in England too!
Well maybe, but with wayyyyy more cheese. The meal is closer to fondue than grilled cheese sandwich :).
Thumbs up to the Welsh, from Québec
Makes you wonder how many Canadian users are here complaining while also complaining about our language protection, right?
Isn't Latin required in the British Curriculum?
Also Welsh is classified as a Vulnerable Language, so far from dead.
It is not.
Latin is not required no
No, it's not.
Well it should be, don't let Latin die!!!
Man, what a knobhead. While I suspect that plenty of welsh voters voted to maintain the language, I bet that most of the votes are from non-brits who voted to maintain it just to piss this jackass off.
Absolutely.
I'm no fan of the way Welsh language education is implemented either, but it's massively frustrating when an English-centric viewpoint is masquerading as a UK-wide voice starts trapping off about things they clearly know next to fuck all about. I'd vote the same way.
Probably a lot of non-Welsh Brits as well, I would have done the same. Welsh is a gorgeous language and more alive than it has been in my lifetime.
I'd like it if this OP would learn the difference between seen and saw and their proper use myself.
Hey, Welsh people, a suggestion. Do this survey on the streets and invite whoever answers wrong to a free stay at the 20 Bars hotel. Problem solved.
If only the asked them to manually fill out a survey then all answers couldnbe disregarded as ineligible
What an idiot this guy must be... Did it cross his mind that Welsh people are also tax payers? ...
