But if they make you stop, and prove, and justify something obvious. Maybe the patient will die before you can order more expensive services. Think of how much money they could say if if their patients die when they're in the hospital before running up a bill!!!
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But wouldn't they also loose the future insurence payments?
Yet another time I'm happy I haven't ever set foot in the US.
The US has become a 3rd world country I dread going to. I would never want to go there now.
hospital care is not necessary but because we care about our customers we will go the extra mile and cover her aspirin costs
That's because they know the patient is going to die and it will be cheaper for them that way.
This is the reason I believe every health insurance plan should also include life insurance from the same company. You need to give those assholes an incentive to keep me alive and healthy.
This kills the patient.
Even in countries with universal healthcare, these decisions also need to be made. We don't have unlimited money or resources to spend when cases are likely hopeless.
Good thing unlimited money isn't needed.
They do need to be made. By medical professionals. The people who can actually determine who's viable to save and who can best utilize resources, and who actually know if there even is a shortage. Which there usually isn't.
The last people you want doing it are the people with a financial incentive to always deny care.
So you're saying it's the insurance company's job is to decide who is in a state to die, not a doctor. Why do we even have doctors? So when you have a medical emergency, why won't you just go to the insurance company instead of a hospital, when the company is better in making medical decisions anyway?
This may be new to you, but insurance companies have no medical training.
The state of the woman in the ICU might sound hopeless but the coma can be medically induced due to the brain hemorrhage and with the proper medical care she could recover, if indeed her state isn't too bad. This is something doctors are for, to calculate her chances and fight for her life if there is a chance of survival. If there's no chance, it's the family's choice to pull the plug.
But you're fine with an insurance company calculating what it might cost to them then to make the decision to let her die?
Made by doctors. This one deemed it necessary to make a claim.
That doesn't make it medically unnecessary, though.
But it is not up to any company to decide on life, even if the chances look very dim. Where I live you can can have a a written will for such cases or your relatives decide. If there are non you will be taken care of till the end, but you can have decided in advance that you don't want life expanding care over a certain degree to minimise the chance for you to live the rest of your life not really being more than a hull.
That's where the doctor in charge of care says "nothing we can feasibly do will bring this patient to a better state."
Americans spend more per capita on health care thab anyone else. They just get shitty value for it, because of all these worthless parasites skimming off the top while actively hindering health care delivery.
Just because it is legal doesn't mean it shouldn't be punishable.
United Health Care Executive Ghouls: We can prove that this isn't medically necessary because if they turn off the life support then the patient will stop suffering from the described symptoms.
I'm like 90% sure that health insurance executives are undead creatures that feed on the death and suffering of their "customers."
Have we checked that the CEO is still/actually dead, and isn't just an undead playing possum?
The problem is, Brian Thompson was the CEO of UnitedHealthcare, but he wasn't actually in charge. No that would be Stephen J. Hemsley, the Executive Chairman at UnitedHealth Group.
He's just resting.
I just was amazed at myself when I said, "oh thank god," when my wife told me her health insurance would be switching from UHC to Anthem in January. Like no, no thank god, it's still horrible.
Anthem sucks
All insurance companies suck. That's the problem.
Translation from English to insurospeak..... "Wait, she'll die soon and the problem will be solved"
I know we hate it and they've really done and will still do some deeply fucked up shit, but man...maga is anti-establishment like the left. I'd rather have a class war than a civil war.
A class war could mayyyyyyybe have a constructive resolution. But a civil war? 0% chance. None.
I don't want either at all but for Christ's sake at least have it over the right thing if you're gonna have one.
You are already in a class war. We are losing.
In case you weren't aware, we are in a class war. If you haven't been paying attention to what is happening to Luigi. They are throwing the book at him. They want him dead. They want to send a message. It's not about justice or law anymore.
Your only option at this point is to acknowledge the class war is happening or stick you head in the sand and try to pretend it isn't.
The problem is that a class war has going on since Reagan, but only one side is fighting
MAGA, whether it's regular or Blue, isnt anti establishment. They fully support their own versions of establishment, and both defend the status quo. There will be no form of civil war among the citizens, but they will keep us divided with meaningless culture war bullshit because it doesn't threaten their positions of power.
MAGA, whether it's regular or Blue, isnt anti establishment. They fully support their own versions of establishment, and both defend the status quo.
I'm a brown skinned male and experienced backcountry hiker. A few months ago I finished a year living in a truck while traveling the US48, lots of time everywhere except Washington.
My anecdotal experience is that the vast majority of Trump's supporters are silent unless I've earned their respect somehow and solicit their perspective. Then they'll readily communicate why they believe the system is broken, how they've reasoned out that nothing positive is achieved in the US without collective threats and acts of fiscal and physical violence, and the magnitude of their commitment to their principles.
They don't perceive the nuance of the problems. They can barely begin to reason out how to hypothetically solve them while also preserving the agency of others. They won't while they continue to expose themselves to the propaganda often leveraged by their religious and political leaders. If the major trade unions continue to increase their educational efforts then the membership will continue to increasingly favor it.
What civil war though? There are no possible civil or geographic divisions. A class and culture war are the only possible ways out of this mess.
I am on the side where we destroy the culture of greed and eat the rich.
They don't learn, do they?
Not yet
"United Healthcare - healing health care, by turning off ventilators one by one"
Burn it to the ground. All of it.
Too many board members still holding down that company.
There is an appeal system for cases like this. Like this specific case is an easy appeal, if they denied this after appeal then a lawsuit could take them to the bank.
Also, the Hospital won't discharge them even if it doesn't get paid on time.
Yeah, not like there's any urgency to the situation /s
A lawsuit isn't the same as your loved one surviving.
Does the term "delay" ring any bells?
Less than a single percentage of denied claims get appealed, a lot of people apparently don't even know the option is available.
The provider receiving the largest amount of subsidy from the federal government through the ACA?: United.
They fuck Americans because the government encourages them to fuck Americans.
This is socialized healthcare.
No, it's government-subsidized privatized healthcare.
Socialized healthcare wouldn't have a profit-driven middleman involved.
Breaking news, this just in: Socialism is when a capitalist government subsidizes capitalist non-government corporations that are still allowed to seek a profit. /s
