How much do you all pay for Power?
How much do you all pay for Power?
My PGE bill is a little over 50c per kilowatt hour. Its starting to become like a second mortgage or car payment for some. Wondering what other people are paying for their power.
https://www.pge.com/assets/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/residential-electric-rate-plan-pricing.pdf
15¢/kWh. Makes driving an EV really economical. I did a day trip last week and had to charge at a DC fast charge and it was 56¢/kWh. At that price it would've been cheaper to drive my wife's Traverse. For reference the break even for me at $3/gal is 40¢/kWh (3.5 mi/kWh). eMPG is a joke. The real measurement is miles/dollar.
EV driving really shines in local trips, which is the majority of most people's driving. My husband and I have solar panels and a plug in hybrid, so his commute to work every day is essentially free for us (aside from wear and tear). If you're regularly driving long hauls then fully EV doesn't seem to make sense yet, but for every day driving, the trade off of having cheaper daily trips with occasional higher expenses for long hauls probably still nets a lower cost per mile.
When I first got my EV, the DC fast charge rates weren't that high. I was seeing an average around 35 cents/kWh. A near 50% jump in price now has me planning trips in advance not for just charging stops but a cost analysis in case it's cheaper with gas (fuck Illinois electricity rates). The plan is still to get my wife an EV when it's time to replace the Traverse. I hope that DC rates won't be so bad for long trips by then so I don't have to hear about it. She's still unconvinced despite our summer vacation being done with entirely level 2 chargers on the way down and at our destination, then 1 DC charge to get back home.
My usual commute to work is like eight miles. I've considered purchasing an old leaf just to use to drive to work and back. The fact that they only get 40-100 mi round trip is negligible to the fact that I would save a decent amount of money on gas.
The trade-off turned out to be that my insurance rates and the other maintenance would more than absorb the cost savings from any gas so unless I also got rid of my primary vehicle which I'm not likely to do it would be a bad move for me.
I rent a car for uber. They recently changed it so all rentals must be electric. I don’t have a way to charge at home, which means I pay 60¢/kWh to charge the car. I get about 200 miles of range for about $20.
Those who charge at home, overnight, get subsidized electricity for charging an EV, so they pay 4.2¢/kWh, or about 7% of what I pay to charge the car.
It pisses me off that this decision, to force all rental uber drivers to use EVs, was probably made by someone who lives in a house and has no idea that people who rent cars to drive uber tend to live in shitty little apartments with no at-home charging.
Not only do I pay through the nose for energy, more than I would pay for gas, I lose 1-2 hours of income per day just twiddling my thumbs in random grocery store parking lots.
And that doesn’t count the time lost driving from station to station looking for an available charger.
Well, California has some of the highest electricity rates in the US. IIRC the exceptions are Hawaii and Alaska.
That being said, last I looked, it was more like $0.21/kWh. Hadn't realized that it had gotten that high.
EDIT: Here's a per-state list for average residential prices for 2024:
https://www.usatoday.com/money/homefront/deregulated-energy/electricity-rates-by-state/
That has California at an average of 29.49 cents/kWh, which is quite high as the US goes, but not nearly as high as yours. It does say that prices went up 11% since last year.
California has had a major problem where billing just happened per kWh, so that people who were using solar (or some other form of local generation) were basically dumping the cost of maintaining the grid connections onto people who weren't doing local generation, since the solar users were purchasing few kWhs. This was very politically controversial, especially since the latter group was generally poorer. IIRC, California is just or will be passing policy changes that will limit that, so the kWh cost from the grid should drop, though people getting most of their power from solar will have a higher overall bill than they had; there's a separate bill item for the grid connection and for the electricity provided over it.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article288420595.html
Not sure when that enters or entered into force. However, it should depress per-kWh charges, though there'll be a fixed charge for the grid connection.
Sounds like PG&E also got the go-ahead to do a bunch of underground lines and rate hikes to get customers to pay for them. I understand that buried lines are more-common in Europe -- you don't have to see power lines, but it costs more to stick 'em underground and maintain 'em, and the US typically keeps 'em aboveground, unless it's a major urban area.
Electricity costs will get even higher for many Bay Area residents after California regulators approved the latest in a series of PG&E rate hikes at a voting meeting on Thursday.
The utility seeks to recover $943.9 million in costs related to wildfire mitigation and damages from power outages during severe storms in recent years. It asked state regulators to approve a temporary rate increase of $5.16 per month for its average customer.
It’s the third such “interim rate relief” request from PG&E within a year, according to California Public Utility Commission documents. In July 2023, regulators allowed PG&E to raise rates temporarily by an average of $10.30 and then again by around $5 a month the following March.
These smaller, temporary rate hikes are in addition to regulators’ approval of a much larger general rate adjustment proposal last year to help PG&E cover the cost of burying thousands of miles of lines underground in the most wildfire-prone parts of the state, as well as other investments.
Ratepayers saw an average increase of about $30 a month on their bills beginning this year because of that.
I don't really care about not having lines visible, though I don't think that people not where underground lines are should be paying for those, that it should be people in an area that want them underground to cover the cost.
It would be interesting, I think, to have a journalist go to some states with wildly-different costs and do a breakdown of why electricity in different states costs different amounts. I think that it's pretty legitimate for someone living in a place with high utility costs to ask for and and get an explicit breakdown showing why their utility provider can't be competitive with one in another state.
It should be noted that burying lines in this case is not for aesthetic reasons, but because trees falling on/growing into above-ground lines is one of the most common causes of wildfires. Putting the lines below the ground is much safer in that respect, but it is much harder to do maintenance on the lines should something go wrong.
Most of these lines are likely in regions where almost nobody lives, but a fire started in those forests can threaten a much larger swathe of customers.
It costs less in the long run because you don’t start a forest fire that burns down half the state. Should have buried them to begin with.
Maintain the underground power lines?
The problem with by state numbers is rates can vary widely between different regions within larger states like California.
This part is based solely on my own anecdata, but I recall paying LOADS of money per kwh in San Diego, but MUCH lower rates in Los Angeles. SDG&E is a scam company. I'm pretty sure LADWP is a public utility. I'm rambling at this point but good evidence that we should NOT privatize our utilities.
Dynamic pricing contract. Planning when to charge the car, running dishwasher etc is small effort.
Adding 5KW solar panels and a change of contract, from >€500 to something like €75. Family of 4, pretty heavy usage.
Is this exclusive or inclusive of the energy tax? IIRC that's about €0.15/kWh in the Netherlands
Inclusive tax, but exclusive service fee, handling fee, network fee, administrative fee, etc. You get the picture.
We are getting screwed by the energy companies and the infrastructure companies. Everyone wants a piece of the pie.
At least (some of us) are getting money back, when your solar production exceeds your consumption. But that is going to change soon.
A $400 bill at $0.50 per kwh is 800 kwh. Our electricity usage in the month of August was 787 kwh. I wired an energy meter into my circuit panel a month ago, so I can break that down:
- 210 kwh for EV charging. I don't drive a ton and can also charge at work sometimes. This is 27% of our total
- 130 kwh for AC. We live in SE MI, so it's not hot. We keep our AC set to 75 when it's on. These two combined are now 40% of our bill
- 62 kwh for my work desk (hybrid work) and deep freeze
- 61 kwh for our furnace blower motor. This one surprised me. We were leaving it on the low setting to equalize temperature. On the low speed it pulls 500 watts, or 12 kwh/day. It obviously pulls more power when the AC is on
- 61 kwh for our fridge
- 28 kwh for our washing machine and gas dryer
- now we're in odds and ends territory. 17 kwh for our instant Hot water (tea), 12 kwh for our sump pump and dehumidifier, 11 for our dishwasher, 8 for the TV (old fluorescent)/garage/ps5/modem/route, 7 for the microwave
- another 100 or so that doesn't have a clamp on the breaker
If you don't have an EV and you're really keeping your AC at 84 I strongly suspect you have a failing appliance. Unless you live in Phoenix and have a massive and very poorly insulated house or something.
During covid (I was doing remote work, so basically no EV charging), our old dishwasher finally stopped working with a dryer heater error code. When we replaced it our electric bill fell by a double digit percentage (I want to say 20%+) year over year.
As for things like insulation, going from 3" of 1969 insulation to a massive quantity of blown in helped our winter heating bill (gas) a lot more than our summer AC bill.
Good luck!
Sorry to ask, why're you equalizing temperature?
i feel the AC goes on when it's hot or warm and the blast furnace goes on when it's cold, is there a particular advantage as to why you're doing it this way?
It was mostly for our younger kids. We live in a smaller ranch, so we close their doors after they're asleep so we don't have to worry about waking them up. This made one of their rooms a bit warmer In the summer and a bit cooler in the winter.
I should probably try balancing the ducts to compensate and might do that this winter.
Thanks! Phoenix is close to our weather, although this week is not a good example thank God. Its regularly over 110 most days of the summer. I have one of the watt meters + a raspberry pi that monitors our watts in real time and can tell what appliances take up the most power. The vast majority of the bill is the AC. In winter, we sip power. Our gas is actually more then.
I'm currently pulling 218 watts right now (fridge/2 laptops/small server/two pis/2 meshtastic devices/one light/ and a host of zombie power devices) and will pull a little over 3kw when the AC is on. And with the tier based system that PGE has, it means months where you do actually use the ac, they jack up the price at the worst possible times. Its closer to 60c per kilowatt hour before fees. And its going up again this year for the 4rth time...
How did you get the breakdown? We have a really old panel and may be looking at getting a new one in the next year. Would love to be able to see the breakdowns and figure out where it's going. FWIW, in PG&E territory.
Look up "home energy monitor". They install inside your panel. The one we have has a bunch of current clamps, but not enough for our huge panel, so I chose what I thought our more heavily used circuits were. It also measures line voltage. Voltage x current = bingo. I'm not completely sure how I feel about the one I bought, so I'm not going to call it out. I wish it flagged trends per circuit over time to catch things like failing appliances. I could root it and mod it, but it would be nice if it did it out of the box. Catching a failing appliance would more than pay for the device, even if you do it by hand by simply tracking the data. It has slightly changed our habits (see: the furnace blower that we left on all the time and was pulling a constant 500 watts aka 12 kwh/day aka 360 kwh/mo), but I wouldn't expect to find anything crazy unless you have high usage.
I live in Washington state, most of my electricity is from hydro or nuclear. My bill is usually about $80 a month, but it can go over $100 in the summer if I’m running the AC a lot.
Average 0.16 USD per kwh if I divide the whole bill by the KWH.
Our bill is pretty high but literally everything runs on electricity in the house, the cooking, water heating, A/C, we have clothes washer & dryer, there is no gas line.
same here. I sorta like it. I mean a gas meter alone with be 20 even if you use no gas for the month and honestly I like having one less bill to keep track of.
I’m also PGE and it’s the same, about $0.50 per kWhr. I don’t even have AC, but I’m typically paying $150-$250 per month.
My AC was set at 84 and I still got a 400+ bill. Its insane. I thought at first my AC was having issues, but the guy came out and its only pulling around 3kw and its definitely working. Found out im using around the same KWH as last year (actually a bit less) but the rate hikes means we see more peaks and much higher bills.
The rate around here is now down to $0.22/kWh. We were occasionally getting electricity bills around $400/month at worst, but we haven't had an electrical bill since April of this year with our solar panels on the roof now.
I see why you would want solar panels! That's a pretty high rate.
The rate isn't too bad actually, but when your household is a larger consumer anyway and you're charging 2 EVs consumption gets up there. We have also switched to an induction stove, heat pump water heater, added a heat pump dryer, and just recently had our gas furnace ripped out and a cold climate heat pump put in for the HVAC.
With all of that the electricity usage the bill goes up, but we can wipe it out with solar and now we don't have natural gas bills or gasoline costs for transportation. The up front costs can be high with this approach, but the monthly bills are nearly non-existent.
$0.11 Canadian/kWh, my usage is about 150kWh per person per month, but I don't have summer AC. There's a higher rate beyond a threshold of 675kW/h but that's still under 15 cents. With a zero-use daily charge including municipal levies about 30 cents per day, and some fluctuations based on power sold, imported and other costs (my last bill had like $3 in credits). All in all about CA$25/mo ($18US).
Charged by BCHydro, the provincial power regulator. I've been really shocked at how cheap utilities are overall in BC, I budgeted about 3 times the amount I needed when I first moved.
in bc we have two tier pricing, the first X kilowatthours per month is I think 0.08CAD (~0.05USD), the second is 0.15CAD (~0.11USD)
Our power mostly comes from hydroelectric dams, but we wheel and deal it interprovincially so within the course of a day we'll spend some time importing and some time exporting which gives us lower rates, and lets other places run more efficiently (ie Fewer gas turbines)
$0.50 per kWh is absurd. Where we are, the power company charges $0.1065 on peak and $0.1001 off. (As in, about a dime.)
Note that this is still about 33% more than at the start of the pandemic. We were around $0.07 per kWh prior to 2021.
100-250 per month
Spot on for me in the Midwest. My range and AC are electric, heating is a boiler. So it's super cheap in Winter and rough in Summer.
In Malaysia they break it down into tariff so the more you use, your bill will spike exponentially. The rate are RM0.218/kwh for the first 200kwh, then RM0.334/kwh for 201-300kwh, then RM0.516/kwh for 301-600kwh, then RM0.546/kwh for 601-900kwh, then RM0.571/kwh for 901kwh onward.
Can't remember the exact price per kwh, but I pay around $120/month in the summer and about $75-100/month in the winter. The winter varies so much based on how many heat lamps I have to provide for my ducks and how many heated water bowls they use. Last winter I had two lamps set up for a while then went back down to one. They used two heated bowls a day, but I have new birds this year, so they may use more.
This is all in Pennsylvania, btw
It varies a lot, can be as low as $110 and as much as $170. And that’s just me, a single dude in a small one bedroom apartment. It was half that just a few years ago. So painful.
Effective rate 14 cents per kWh here in rural Virginia. I divided my total current charges of $121.35 by the 876 kWh I used.
Peak price is 0.08 EUR/kWh, off peak 0.04 EUR/kWh. On avaerage around 35 EUR per month.
Around $90 on hot summer months and $40-$50 in winter and about $60 spring and fall. Gas goes from $120 in winter to $15-$20 the rest of the year
Summer: $0.118 / kwh first 600kwh, $0.136 600+ Winter: $0.132 / kwh first 600kwh, $0.144 600+
I averaged the last 3 years for these.
Factoring in all the other fees that are tacked on, mine is $0.21/kWh in OK.
I haven't kept close track for a year so I think it's gone up again but my shared bill in Oregon typically was around $250 at I think ~14-15c/kwh. A majority of our power comes from the BPA hydro dams on the Columbia so the cost hasn't quite skyrocketed like other areas, but Pacificorp is still trying to raise rates 20% a year.
(We are rural and also use electricity for pumping water from a domestic well, and irrigate a fairly large lawn as a wildfire break, so that is also our water bill.)
PG&E is just criminal.
If you have an area with sufficient sunlight it might be worth looking into a solar system.
With all of the tax breaks and the supply surplus if you have the space it could be very economical to add a four or five kilowatt solar set up and that would dramatically reduce your power bills.
You could even splurge a little and buy a grid tied inverter system That's rated for 10 KW with plans to expand later as more money comes in.
My electric bill last month was $14.62. That's with a $64.51 solar credit. But then I pay a $50 lease on the solar panels. I don't understand how my utility charges with tiers so I'll put the details here for people who know better than me:
Tier 1 first 300 kWh at $0.04088 per kWh
Tier 2 next 260 kWh at $0.04643 per kWh
Regulatory Charges 560 kWh at $0.01374 per kWh
Power Supply Adjustment 560 kWh at $0.04598 per kWh
Power Supply Administrative Adjustment 560 kWh at $0.00724 per kWh
Between 14.7 and 15.4c / kwh. Gexa in Texas. My last bill was $285. We have a gas stove, water heater, furnace, and dryer. Our gas bill is about $50/mo. The lowest our electricity goes is about $90 in the winter.
Sounds like you should do an energy audit.
It'll cost you $80 to 100 bucks but that money could be well worth it if it could identify where your money is going for your electricity usage.
It could be that you have a massively inefficient HVAC system, which would suck as that's a very expensive repair especially if you go hybrid, but it could also be something as simple as not having sufficient insulation which depending on the layout of your home could be fixed with a friendly visit from a local foaming company, or adding some window treatments and some appropriately placed shade trees.
If it does turn out to be your HVAC, you could also look into a ductless mini split as an add-on to cool the hottest most commonly used rooms in the house. Those can be installed DIY or mostly DIY and if you have a single problem room making that one addition could result in a dramatic decrease in your electricity bills.
I know where the losses are, the house and windows are from 1980 and there is a sunroom on the house that are just huge heat sinks. We are just waiting on funds to correct that stuff. We had some awesome shade trees but they were Ash trees and fell victim to beetles and disease so we had to have them removed so they didn't fall on the house.
We added a radiant barrier when the roof was redone in 2016. The ceiling penetrations were all sealed and all the can lights were replaced with sealed LED fixtures.
The ac is a newer variable speed high efficiency one with new ducting that was installed 3 years ago and other than needing a minor room rebalance made a big different in our electric bill.
US, Mojave desert, SCE. Got solar and battery right before NEM3.0 and prices jumped. It’s saved me thousands although it will be a few more years before I break even.
I'm paying $0.12/kwh base rate but then there's a 10% additional fee added on to support solar in my area so 13.2.
From late March to early October my monthly electricity bill is something like $89, from late October until early March my monthly bill is like $129 thanks to heating expenses.
2600 ft home in Washington State.
Any of you who are paying more than 20 cents a kilowatt hour, especially if you live in a warmer area of the country, are doing yourselves a grave disservice by not buying and installing a hybrid water heater.
They are fairly spendy, oftentimes costing $1,600 or more just for the water heater and then another thousand or two to have it installed, but heating your water is one of the largest most inescapable bills that you have and a hybrid water heater does double duty by taking the heat out of your air that you are paying to condition and putting it into your water that you were paying to heat, saving money on both at the same time by being more efficient.
If you encounter a scenario where you have $2,500 to spare on a project that will decrease your monthly bills and pay for itself, that's the one to pick, especially if you are a diy'er and are not afraid of doing a little bit of PEX work.
My electricity cost me 13.2 cents a kilowatt hour and installing an 80 gallon hybrid water heater to replace the 55 gallon that I had took $20 a month off of my power bill.
I did it myself with a little bit of help from a friend and it took me roughly an entire Saturday.
Total cost out the door was about $1,600 because I got a $500 credit from my power company to get it installed, and the water heater cost $1,600, the parts and pieces I needed cost me another $250, and I slipped my friend 250 bucks for helping out.
At an average of $20 a month power saved that water heater will pay for itself in a little under 7 years, which is a good while yes, but if you're paying 50 cents a kilowatt hour it would pay for itself in under 2 years, and if you live in a warmer climate than Washington State the extra air conditioning it provides free of charge will further decrease your energy bills especially in the summer.
Close to the same for me here in Seattle, but my husband doesn't turn lights off (seriously--ever), so our bill is always a bit higher than yours.
Costco has smart switches from feit electric, it's a fairly simple install that should only take you a few hours to do six or seven of them.
Then anytime you want you can turn off all of those lights from your phone.
You can also upgrade all of your bulbs to led.
If you're paying roughly the same as I am, every watt you cut annually saves you about a dollar.
same as you. I wish this state would take responsibility at targeting PGE. especially since they burned down an entire town in 2018. it's honestly the only thing that makes me consider just leaving California for back home.
We have a flat monthly fee of $26.50 and usage is $0.1133/kWh (all prices US dollars). It’s also possible to have a Time of Use plan; for residential there’s still the flat $26.50 fee and then peak usage bills at $0.2345/kWh and off-peak at $0.0623/kWh. If you have a bilateral system (solar panels) the credit for power supplied during peak hours is $0.1539/kWh and off-peak is $0.0373/kWh. Integrated battery systems are not allowed if you go with Time of Use metering. For now the basic residential service (same rate all the time) credits solar production at the same rate as consumption, but that could change in the future.
Accounting for taxes and grid fees, between 0.05€ & 1.2€/kWh depending on the season.
We have two rates, this is if you are using over 10kwh per day, the maximum rate: $0.1372 per kwh
I'd let you know how much I spend in electricity through PGE, but...
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I just recently moved in, so I don't have good data for you yet, and
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Portland General Electric ≠ Pacific Gas & Electric
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It heavily depends on the season. I had a look at the live prices, and currently the price of electricity is about 0.6SEK/kWh.
However, back in 2022-2023 we had electricity prices as high as 2.7SEK/kWh.
Sadly, the EU wants a unified energy grid which will increase the cost of power.
Sweden aslo needs to upgrade the transmission infrastructure between areas
Summer rates are about $0.13/kwh. My EV charger is on off peak plan that costs $0.06/kwh.
round 175 CAD a month.
.1673 and .1809 peak here in Michigan.
about 150 per month for the whole family
Hot damn, I'm in the UK I'm paying what converts to $265 to power and heat a 2 bed bungalow.
I am in the greater Boston area and just pulled up my most recent bill. Total cost for me (including generation and delivery) came out to $0.33 per kWh. When it comes to the total cost each month, my cost goes down dramatically in the winter when the gas is used for heat instead of the electric for AC.
Peak rate (2PM -7PM) is $0.225/kWh
Off-peak is $0.178/kWh
With my normal usage, it averages about $0.187/kWh
$0.35usd per kWh
€0.30 /kWh
$0.13213 per kWh plus a $0.58915 per day “customer charge”
Around $400 a month in winter, $100 a month in summer. Australia has the most expensive power in the world
I am around $450 per month in the summer, $75 in the winter. Texas. My rate is nominally $0.087 per kwh, but the taxes make it roughly twice that. I have a big house, but it is pretty energy efficient - 2015 construction with mostly Energy Star appliances. I charge a Nissan Leaf daily.
In the summer, $350+ per month. In GBE winter, more like $150 per month.
I have no idea. Electricity, heat and hot water are included in my rent.
about 32ct/kWh including all costs (Germany)
$0.103/kWh plus a daily fee of some small amount. 1,150 sq. ft. apartment with two EVs. $80-100 every two months.
€0.20 per kWh, about 30 euro per month
Transmission and taxes etc. all combined amount to 6.8c/kWh.
Spot price for actual power price and it's margin is 0.49 c/kWh. Monthly the price has been between 3-7c/kWh on average this year. Most months I've managed to beat the average price. 😎