This assumes that gardening is free. Which it is not. Still better to grow your own though.
It is also labour intensive and not that easy. This year, I must have put dozens of hours of labour to get 8 tomatoes, 5 cucumbers and some chives. We got too much rain.
Let me encourage you to attempt deep water hydroponic growing of those tomatoes. Easiest fucking thing I've ever done, I only have to check them once a week to refill the water other than that I don't do shit and I get nice large cherry tomato harvests.
You basically just need a large barrel or bucket, an air pump, and a little air Stone from like a fish tank or something. Plant goes into the water air bubbler goes down so that the roots don't drown mix in some hydroponic nutrients and you're done sit back and ignore it
it doesn’t say anything like that…
Yes, garden, then you can spend $5 on a pepper once you've factored in cost of all the supplies
Don’t forget to price out your time and labor.
During covid lockdown, I discovered I really only have to go to the grocery store once every 1-2 months for all products except fresh produce, which require weekly trips. Once I started my own garden I got a lot of time savings back by cutting out >75% of my grocery trips, and I found myself using fresh herbs much more often as they are always available just outside my kitchen for last-minute additions to recipes (vs having to plan ahead and buy those expensive little packets at the store). I also started eating a lot more leafy greens; I'd stopped buying them because I was tired of constantly throwing them away after they went bad in the fridge after a few days, whereas they stay fresh on the plant for weeks or months.
So actually, I grow a garden because of the time savings. Well that and because it's fun to play in the dirt, not to mention it's a great non-sedentary hobby that gets me outside more often. Plus practicing food self-sufficiency is a useful skill to have. And since I garden in my front yard it's an excellent ice breaker for getting to know neighbors and other folks in the neighborhood. Basically there are a bunch of reasons to garden beyond the food you harvest!
That's only if you dislike gardening. If you like it, you gain happiness from it (the opposite of a job). Once you have everything set up it's not that much time and money. It's like anything else, you get used to it and can eventually spend maybe 10 minutes per day watering (less if it rains).
Also, the food you get will taste much better because it's picked when it's ripe. Most vegetables in a grocery store are picked too early.
It’s certainly not free (not that that is the point) but if you’re spending $5 on a pepper you either are a bad gardener or don’t know how to amortize the cost of reusable supplies over many peppers. Or both.
Well I use the chilly seeds and plant them on the terrace, and voila, infinite chillies and chilly flakes. My investment is time, used jars and dirt I bought once. I water them with fertilized aquarium water and I don't know what to do with them.
If you got fish and an aquarium, might want to look into aquaponics.
It's better for herbs and spices since without soil other produce doesn't taste as good.
As a bonus, aquaponic grow beds work really well for propagating plants from cuttings. I have been able to make a lot of fruit tree saplings with it.
price of soil = compost + dirt = free….
or a few bucks for pre made soil….
price of water?
what tools?
use an old milk jug with holes poked in the top for a watering….
a hand trowel is like 50 cent at a thrift shop… and could be substituted with a good stick….
a pot to hold the plant is free… or you could make a gardening box with a couple planks of wood….
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i’ve grabbed live but sick tomatoes plants from the trash at a gardening store, came with soil and a pot… i just added water and had the best tomatoes of my life….
2/ 8 plants died quickly and i planted herbs in those pots…. made pizza….
cost about $1.00 in tap water total… (tap water should sit in an open container a while before using to neutralize the chlorine).spent a few minutes watering it every once in a while….
check your math, bruh
Dirt. Water, a bit of time. Sooooo expensive.
The cost of dirt is "land". It's not actually free. And considering I have to work for a living, my free time is a resource I like to spend carefully, so digging, clearing rocks and weeds and spreading fresh topsoil is usually not my choice activity.
There's a reason farmers get paid, and it takes economy of scale and subsidization to bring the cost of produce down to as cheap as it is.
Gardening can be fun and rewarding, but let's not pretend that it just free food that appears by magic.
Me, who has no space to plant anything:
"Thanks bud"
I’m growing in flower pots.
Cool, so all I gotta do is own a house?
I'll just leave this here.
Also, [email protected]
Unless you want to plant stuff in your living room I'd suggest you get a garden as well
That pepper at the grocers is an F1 hybrid. It's offspring won't be very prolific and may actually have a different shape and flavor.
Yeah I've done this before and got a weird cross breed of a bell pepper and hot pepper.
Was it yummy?
Some plants can become toxic enough to kill you if it cross pollinates with similar other plants. I think watermelon and zucchini do this. Be careful, do your research, and always share some of your crop with neighbors you don't like to see what happens first.
https://www.thedailymeal.com/heidelberg-germany-zucchini-toxin-poison/82315/
Something like that..
Yeah, cucurbits in general are kinda jerks that way.
How is this a meme?
At this point complaining about how any shared image on the internet is considered a meme now is a meme itself.
We garden and mostly what we get are 78943749832 zucchinis and 1 spinach leaf. I think maybe I'm not cut out for it.
Prolific gardener here; I have never once successfully grown spinach, despite many attempts. There are tons of different greens species out there; once your garden is filled with endive, chicory, lambs lettuce, mizuna, beet greens, turnip greens, and a million different varieties of mustard, lettuce, and kale, you won't even remember that spinach exists.
We have had ok success with kale. We're just operating in really limited space, so we mostly stick with the things we know will grow (aka the stupid zucchinis and lots of tiny onions, plus a few tomatillos). I'm hoping we can add more beds in a couple of years to add more greens.
huh, spinach didn't give a single shit about be neglecting it on the balcony in tiny pots, grew great
I have many spinach leaves in my garden.
They're about the same size as a grain of corn and have been for a month :(
Do you have rights to use and distribute product based on those patented seeds, though?
Intellectual property is a scam!
Just make sure your seeds aren't copyrighted or greedy corporations like Monstanto will sue you.
Luckily that only applies if you signed an agreement with them. If you use seeds from an item you bought, they wouldn't be able to stop you.
Didnt you read your green pepper EULA when you purchased it? The QR code it right there on the sticker...
I reckon most peppers in the store don't have viable seeds.
They do, but chances are they're f1 hybrids, meaning they don't grow true to seed. You'll get a random mutant, but it'll be an edible pepper .
Even if they're marketed as heirlooms, if they're designated for produce, they might be planted next to other varieties and while the fruit is True, the seeds are going to be Hybrids.
Also, Green Bell Peppers are unripe Red/Orange/Yellow/etc Bell Peppers. The seeds aren't viable anyway.
Every time I've tried gardening all I've accomplished is feeding the local squirrels.
Substinence farming fucking sucks, you're going to be on the field all day long in the summer in order to have enough food to get you through the winter. Hobbyist gardening gives you best of both worlds - you have a nice patch of land to play in, and at the end you get a handful of produce to show off to friends and family.
Subsistence farming sucks for grains and similiar things that can be efficiently machinized.
For many fruits and vegetables farming still relies on a lot of manual labor, often done by immigrants and vulnerable people under terrible working conditions.
My parents grow most of their fruits and veggies for half a year on about 40 m2 which is a tenth of an acre.
So with very little land it is possible to replace a lot of your grocery bag with self grown produce.
Since I see a lot about second generation peppers not being as good as first, does that go for tomatoes too? There are those really tasty grocery store cherry tomatoes that come in different varieties in one box. They cost like 4x the others but I get them when they're discounted before they throw them away. Can I save the seeds and grow them in my containers?
We grew some cherries in containers this year before they got invaded by stinkbugs. But those that survived were the tastiest tomatoes I've had in my life.
Homegrown tomatoes reveal that the stuff we're served at grocery stores and cheap restaurants aren't really tomatoes at all. I've never tried to grow from seeds out of grocery store produce because you can get packets of seeds for a couple of bucks, and I've heard that the produce from grocery store seeds will be sub-par.
Produce is sold by weight, not taste or nutrition. Grocery store varieties have been selected for weight so they maximize value. That weight is mostly just water, and their taste is crap compared to older heirloom varieties.
The issue is whether the produce you're procuring seed from is a hybrid or not. If it's not, you should be good to go with seed saving. If it is a hybrid, the results will be unpredictable, although not necessarily bad. This is an interesting read on the topic: https://www.motherearthnews.com/organic-gardening/save-hybrid-seeds-zbcz1602/
I think I know what tomato product you're referring to, and I think you'd really like a lot of the heirloom cherry tomato varieties out there, which are even tastier. They're very common in almost any seed catalogue nowadays (so many varieties it's overwhelming!), but if you want to sample them first, I'd recommend stopping by a farmers market next summer. Be sure to chat with the seller to find out if they're hybrids or not; larger farms will probably have hired help selling the products so you may not get a good answer, but if the seller is the farmer themself, they'll absolutely know whether the tomatoes they're selling are hybrids or not. I also would recommend either the seed catalogue or farmers market routes because that way you'll be able to match the tomato variety to your growing conditions; a tomato variety bred for hydroponic growing for instance may not do well in soil. Also there are two types of tomatoes, determinate and indeterminate, which have slightly different care and harvest requirements. In short, you're better off knowing what variety of tomato you're growing so you can research care and growing conditions, vs growing seeds from an unknown tomato variety where you have to wing it and hope for the best.
Oh wow that's a lot of useful info. Thanks so much! The cherries we grew this year were actually from a granny farmer from the farmer's market. Her veggies are always the tastiest there and she seems to know her stuff, bless her. Thanks a lot for the link! 🍅
Tomatoes only grow true to seed if they haven't been cross-pollinated. You can try, but there is no guarantee. Dry the seeds on a paper towel next to a radiator for a day before you plant them, it reduces the chance of mold foiling your plan.
Bell peppers need warm temps, full sun, good soil, and take a long time to grow. A lot of backyard gardens aren't the best conditions for them. Wouldn't be surprised that the second generation would taste as good without the growing conditions the first gen had.
As long as you can afford a garden
I grew twenty jalapeno peppers in pots in my first year of apartment living, all descended from a pepper I had in my window in college. Any container can be a plant pot as long as you can add drainage holes - I used a lot of milk jugs and soda bottles cut in half, with old takeout trays to catch the drainage water. Soil is cheap (or free if you're not picky about what's in it) and I just watered them with tap water. Ten years later I have fewer peppers but I still have one from that lineage, and my spouse has over two hundred plants in pots scattered through our apartment. We use water from the fish tank as fertilizer, and our main expense is a spritzer of insecticidal soap bought every year or two, and thrift store teacups I drill drainage holes in for some of the succulents. Time and the energy to care for plants are probably the biggest hurdles when you're broke, but money isn't necessarily a huge barrier. I hope that helps.
I can't afford to get a garden
Clearly you are too poor to join the 🌤️revolution🌤️
Is this person angry that green peppers cost money because... Theres a bunch of seeds???
Not angry, just saying more people should grow their own food instead of relying on supermarket food for eveything
Eh, gardening is usually very time consuming, the times it isn't is when it's already super cheap produce (onion and potato. There are some instances it's actually very useful though. Growing some herbs and spices can be pretty easy and it's nice because rather than buying a ton of fresh herbs that go bad you merely clip what you need from the plant and it stays fresh. Scallions are another one that are easy to grow and can be kind of expensive to buy depending where you live. You can literally drop a scallion stem in some water in front of a sunny windoe and it'll grow.
Other than those examples however the small economies of scale make it too time consuming to garden for financial reasons. It's better to work overtime and buy produce than to garden it.
On another note though you can try community gardening too and that may be a large enough scale to be useful however.
Kinda silly. I wonder if they actually do a lot of gardening themself or just came up with this revolutionary (lol) idea
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Cool. We're all watching Vesper together. Did they bring anything to share?
Check us out over at [email protected]. You don't need a backyard to give gardening a try. :)
Green is my pepper.
A lot of foods with seeds are generally engineered to not grow from those seeds.
Not true for most vegetables.
