There's 2 things I can't abide: intolerant communities and the Dutch.
As a Dutchman representing the Dutch, we fully agree with the statement made.
Obligatory: G E K O L O N I S E E R D
The reason corporate social media sucks is its monopolistic nature. “Instance wars” are why lemmy is better than reddit, which consists of exactly one instance.
Yeah, right. That totally makes Lemmy better. It's so pleasant to always bicker and threaten to defederate from each other. It's also so unlike Reddit where Subreddits brigade each other and have sub wars. Lemmy is so unique in that... /s
There was a good comment by @[email protected] the other day on an angry anti-.ml post:
Before joining Lemmy: "It really doesn't matter what instance you join, you'll be able to see content from all over."
After joining Lemmy: "So you've enlisted in .world, eh? Welcome to the fight, soldier!"
What's the beef here? I'm out of the loop.
Lemmy.world is very liberal leaning and defederated from the Marxist aligned instances. Lemmy.ml is more broadly federated and has Marxist mods and admins, and more leftist users in general.
That's it. Some users make it a fight.
There's currently about 600 lemmy instances, in many different countries, and those countries each have different laws regarding the protection of speech. Some of it is also just power-tripping mods or left-wing / right-wing censorship.
If this is happening to a community you like, you can always switch to the same community in a different instance. Eventually, the "official" community will have the most subscribers and the community with the censorship problems will wither and die.
It kinda pisses me off tbh. It's like that friend that has to keep telling you how boring the movie is when you're just trying to sit and watch it. Like, stfu and go away then, stop trying to be a crab on the bucket for the rest of us.
Is there a federation map somewhere so you can see what instances are federated with each other and which are not?
Yes.
https://federation-checker.vercel.app/
This link lets you type in an Instance name and it will tell you what other Instances allow it and which ones block it.
There's also this site, which gives you more options for filtering, but also seems to throw up errors pretty consistently in my experience.
In terms of figuring out which instances are cool with one another, this site is also quite useful. It's a web of trust model that a majority of major instances participate in.
It shows which instances endorse one another, with those instances obviously being federated. It also shows how instances choose to describe/tag themselves, which can give you a better understanding of their general vibe. And it also shows which instances are viewed with suspicion, as they are hesitated or censured by other instances.
@Martineski pinging you
I'd also be interested in knowing that.
Someone answered the comment above with a link, go check it out!
Basically "Someone said something I disagree with. Instead of dealing with it or ignoring this user, I want the whole instance to be nuked!".
I laught a lot with "nuked" lol lol
Same...
Solidarity amongst all instances.
Our fediverse comrades.
💯 together we are stonger
Anyone unironically surprised by this? Lmao
dbzero on top. even after beefing with and being banned from another instance the admins let us stay federated.
From what I’ve seen, a lot of the toxicity is trickling down from the powermods. Same issue migrated from Reddit.
I am so out of the loop on this. People care about what instance they are on?
Yes! It's a sad, sad world. It mostly has to do with people's political opinions on moderators, i.e. ".ml are tankies" and ".world are right-wing normie fascists" or something like that. I have never — literally never — witnessed a .ml mod doing something I thought was bad. I have also seen only one tankie since I joined .ml. I have witnessed some kind of conflict between .world and .ml everytime single time I open Lemmy though. Kind of depressing. I wish we could make less of a deal of an issue that, all things considered, seems pretty small. Ah well, that aside, Lemmy is still great, it will just take time to mature — like all social platforms in their beginnings!
Pretty much the same for me. I've seen many posts and comments complaining about those kinds of things from .ml and .world; but close to zero of the actual behaviour that people complain about.
The other day I was on all and ended up reading a comment chain and saw something like "Cuba is a democracy, and for proof just look at the official website of the central party."
I found it ridiculous to essentially say "Doug is a skilled electrician, for proof look at this note Doug wrote saying he's a skilled electrician."
This made me a dirty shitlib (I guess the instance I signed up on makes me a liberal). The reaction seemed intense so I checked and it was .ml, so I assume it's a rivalry thing.
You'll see me venting and shitting on eg conservatives but I don't go around calling people these things. You probably don't either. But clearly there are users categorizing us into labels and associating us with our instances regardless of merit.
I don't care at all! Greetings from Italy!
I don't give a fuck. I know .ml and .world don't get along. I know that people disliked hexbear (they are pretty silent, dunno if they changed policies). I want everyone to be here.
I'd say not in mine. I'd say we are usually peaceful.
I’ll be pretty annoyed if world and ml break up. I just want to scroll and they’re most of the content.
If everyone on .world just blocked a handful of people, the issue would disappear. It's mostly a small number of shitheads using a common "enemy" for attention and power.
Real. I just want to shit on cars that I don’t like and glaze Porsche like a good boomer.
Who could have guessed that trying to bring together people with opposing views would generate so much attrition...
Hey drama is part of social media, it drives engagement plus we are hashing out this place should work. Also power tripping mods sub is great, solid discussions
it drives engagement
Defenestrate corporate media framing. There are no advertisers to market social media “engagement” to. We are not the product. In fact there is no product, just as there is no customer.
It attracts new blood. People need to be posting and commenting for a place to have a future.
Different type of engagement. Not “how lomg you view ads, click rate, view rate, etc” but just posting and commenting.
Engagement is just "emotional involvement or commitment", it's not necessarily "corporate media framing". Capitalist platforms abuse this for profit (as they do with everything good), hopefully we can use it to create stronger communities.
all i know is sh.itjust.works
Based and sh.it pilled
Ideally the network corrects by users moving away from the drama instances so they don’t get randomly cut off.
Ideally content is properly cross posted. But no big deal if not.
Hopefully some day people can view "shitposting" "All" and be able to see shitposting communities no matter their instance. (Minus those they defederate of course)
I've no idea if my instance causes any drama or not. And what if it does in the future?
.zip lemmings chillin'
If instance A and B block each other, can a user on instance C still see all the posts from B and A?
What worries me is the drop in posts if things fracture.
Instance C is unrelated to A and B blocking each other. Why wouldn't it be able to see posts from either unless it was also blocked?
Okay but in post A, people from B won’t chime in, and conversely for things posted to B.
I guess instance C can make posts where both people from A and B can chime in. So would people in instance A be able to talk to people in instance B in the instance C’s comment section? Cause A people don’t want to hear from B people.
So we would still see less active posts as interactions would go down.
It would drop some engagement, sure, but either side of the liberal/leftist divide already has enough people to sustain itself.
That's because they feed off each other: the liberals throw lots of shit at the wall in the hopes of driving up their engagement from their large but inactive user base while the leftists engage on their own; this creates an environment where the tiny subset of the most active liberals are left alone w the leftists and theyre predisposed to hate tankies, hence the drama.
Aren’t liberals and leftists the same thing? Everyone seems to agree that capitalism is bad, the government should provide more social services, our democratic leaders suck (but we should vote for them anyway because republicans are worse), etc.
Honestly Lemmy seems more like a circlejerk than a divide, the only divide I see is how far we need to go to fix/destroy the system. I don’t think I’ve seen a single conservative voice, which is pretty surprising considering Trump apparently won the popular vote, and I’d expect I’d at least see someone from the other side.
Given your concern. I would recommend joining a instance with as few defederations as possible and blocking instances yourself. You don't need a admin to determine what you want or need to see with your experience here on lemmy.
Block instances/communities/users yourself and make it how you want. Or not. It's your lemmy, use it how you wish. Peace.
Yep. That's one reason I like the instance I'm on - I can basically see everything, and just block the stuff I don't want to see.
Lemmy.today is one of the most drama-free instances.
Just go and explore whatever of Lemmy you want.
