Yeah I probably should have, thanks for those links.
The existence of products designed to inject B12 is different to what I interpreted the person who I replied to was saying though.
I understood them as saying that farms are injecting B12 into animals so that meat gains some kind of nutrient that isn’t naturally occurring or not occurring at an appreciable level.
I have no doubt animals have all kinds of vitamin deficiencies and receive supplements to improve the over all health of the animal and the nutritional value of meat.
But is this the reason they are injecting B12?
Obviously I’ll read more on it.
EDIT: so the very first link basically confirmed what I just said, when an animal is deficient in B12 farmers inject it to make it more healthy. They aren’t injecting B12 into animals because animals just don’t have B12…
Yeah, when you link a source for your claim that people are injecting B12 into animals I’ll reengage with you.
I tried googling and got nothing.
Yeah what you’re describing is basically humans make morals.
The problem you should have with this is that currently society is fine with eating animal products.
Many societies were successful because they ate meat.
How do you reconcile a situation where you believe humans are the source of morals but you disagree with a particular moral created by humans I.e. that it’s ok to eat meat?
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.
B12 is produced by microorganisms inside the guts of cows/ruminants.
They don’t inject B12 into animals as far as I know. Maybe you could link a source for that? First I’ve ever heard of it.
Vegans. Vegans are claiming there are moral facts when they say that I am wrong for consuming animal products.
Although I’ve had discussions with vegans who claim they aren’t moral realists, I can’t recall a satisfactory argument for a moral anti-realist vegan position.
If you’d like to offer one, please do.
I agree, morals are a societal thing and right now it’s perfectly socially acceptable to eat meat.
How I apply this to my own actions is by conforming to the made up rules of society because that seems to keep me alive.
If I lived in a vegan society and it was not socially acceptable to eat meat I likely wouldn’t.
Nothing is inherently wrong with cannibalism.
I’m not a moral realist. So I don’t believe in moral facts I.e. that murder is ‘wrong’ or being charitable is ‘right’
It’s kid stuff (IMO) to believe in mystical rights and wrongs of the universe. The universe does not care one iota that you cease to exist tomorrow or if all humans were to become extinct (IMO).
If you disagree please point me to the source of your morals, how do you know what’s right and what’s wrong?
I can deny the importance of human experience (the heat death of the universe will erase all traces of our existence and impact) without wanting to kill humans right now.
How did you conclude the experiences of animals matter?
How do you know animals are having experiences?
How do you know human experiences matter?
I don’t claim to have any answers to the above but I’ve never heard a satisfactory answer to these questions other than ‘I just believe it is so’ and if it boils down to my belief versus your belief I have to conclude that neither one of us actually has any idea.
If you’re vegan and you don’t supplement with B12 or eat food specifically fortified with B12, I don’t think you’re being optimally healthy.
You don’t have to believe me though, just read what the vegan society has to say on this.
If you’re suggesting you can get enough b12 purely through a diet without animal products, supplements or fortified food you’ve misunderstood nutritional science.
What I’m railing against is this; vegans say that omnivores eat meat only for taste pleasure and that’s a straw man argument.
No one just eats meat for taste because there is also a nutritional component. In the same way vegans have to supplement with B12 to be healthy so they recognise that things must be eaten beyond just taste pleasure.
Didn’t they study this and the theory was they were juveniles just playing a game?
It’s like cow tipping but with boats.
The whole taste argument completely ignores nutrition.
Why don’t you only eat potatoes? Do you derive taste pleasure from B12 supplements?
Attaching a system of morality to a diet is just religion.
I maintain that veganism is just halal/kosher for atheists/agnostics.
I care.
Kamala Harris is such a good candidate even Donald Trump financially supports her.
Rotting Bloated Corpse (D) for president!
We formed a crowd, then BAM, they striked.
We should have seen this coming!!!
‘We are committed to maintain the highest standards…’
And ‘support’ is capitalised in the last sentence for no reason.
There’s two things wrong with their statement.
They didn’t mess around with recipes back in the day.
If you don’t know how to make a basic white sauce you’re SOL.
Did no one proof read this statement?
I am assuming it’s fake.
What's the deal with the rank standard packs
I’m assuming because it’s the end of the standard year blizzard is trying to squeeze money out of everyone but each time I check the shop the standard pack bundles I unlocked for reaching bronze, silver or gold etc have disappeared.
Do they only unlock for a certain time?
Or are they only there for certain ranks?
Anyone have a list of all the bundle tiers?
I did it first run! Wooooooo!
Some tips:
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Unless you’re playing hot and are confidently legend (i.e. you’re holding your own when you make it to legend) then all the usual advice applies with this brawl, don’t bother.
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You really have to know your opponents deck and mulligan for cards you know will give your deck the best chance at winning.
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I played optimally with my deck but one mistake did cost me a game so you will be punished for sub optimal plays.
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You do have an element of luck with matchups but I faced two decks which are hard counter to my decks (Thaddeus sludge warlock) and won because I played around their combo trigger. I stress again, you have to know your deck and your opponents very well.
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Don’t take excavation rogue as your deck unless you are sub 1000 legend, you’ll die.
Would I recommend earthen paladin? The meta for the brawl has shifted a bit more to value decks I chose this deck because treant Druid and excavate rogue is so popular and this deck hard counters Druid and performs well against rogue players who play suboptimally.
Earthen will not perform well against Reno decks unless you get a very good draw.
Catch-up Packs!
What do people think?
Good/bad?
Is it cheaper now to just roll a new account with no standard cards and get 1000 cards?
For me it may seal the deal to buy the Showdown prepurchase bundle.
What show did you watch because of memes but were dissappointed?
On the other place I constantly saw memes of shows that I thought ‘well if they’re that popular they must be pretty good’
Shows like:
Avatar, The Office, Parks and Rec and IT Crowd
I’ve watched them and I just don’t get it. They aren’t so amazing that they are worth that level of adoration IMO. Avatar has its good spots and Parks and Rec is pretty enjoyable but I cringe at American office and IT crowd is forgettable.
However a show I actually really like, Community, only started getting the same type of treatment after the pandemic because people watched it on Netflix. Although it’s still not as popular as these others. Are people just really basic or am I out of touch?
Anyway, what show did you watch and think ‘I don’t get what the fuss is about’? Maybe it was Community?
Returned to Hearthstone after 5 years, what should I know?
I’ve returned to Hearthstone after 5 years (I boycotted every blizzard game after their treatment of Blitzchung) wondering what the best way to be a FTP player is now?
Is Arena still the best use of gold?
How should I get gold now? I see that quests have all changed.
Any obvious ‘to dos’ I should be aware of?