Microsoft stealthily installs Windows 10 update to nag you to upgrade to Windows 11 – and not for the first time
Microsoft stealthily installs Windows 10 update to nag you to upgrade to Windows 11 – and not for the first time
It’s for your own good, mind (and some Windows 11 users will get this too)
- A new patch is being quietly pushed to Windows 10 (and 11) PCs
- It’ll force upgrades in certain circumstances to keep the PC in support
- This update will mean more nag prompts coming to your PC
I'm going to upgrade to Ubuntu
Can't be nagged about Windows 11 if you never switched to SecureBoot.
Can't be nagged about Windows 11 if you
never switched to SecureBoot.use Linux.ftfy
Not as bad as a recent security patch which unexpectedly upgraded Windows Server 2022 to 2025 causing at least a few outages I know about for our clients.
And when you try to install, they'll say "no you can't, get a new computer"
Microsoft is really in to the Year of Linux Desktop thing
as per usual, Microsoft remains the biggest advertiser to Linux
Makes sense, they are a big contributor to the kernel
How is it gonna nag me to upgrade to Windows 11 when I don't have a TPM?
I'd love to upgrade, the system is completely capable of running it, but because it doesn't have a useless bit of hardware I can't. Fuck em.
It's not useless. It will enable MS to build the walled garden they want, where you are forced to use the software they permit you to and nothing else.
Euh... How? Coming from somebody that has a dualboot system with tpm and secure boot lol
simple, Linux.
Mine said I couldn't upgrade because of the no TPM thing. Turns out it's just off by default on a lot of mobos.
Secondly, there's a program called Rufus that can create a bootable flash drive with Windows 11 but removes stuff like the TPM requirements, the need for Microsoft account sign in, all the bad stuff etc
I'd been avoiding it for a year until I learned about Rufus but now that I've installed it, you know what? Without all the bloat, it's a fucking smooth OS. Really excellent multitasking windows and fast too
Lemmy shits on it because "muh Linux" but if you install it right, it's fucking excellent for the vast, vast majority of people
Yup, even though I'm 95% linux now, I realized that having a debloated windows on a separate drive for a small handful of stuff was easier than trying to make it work on Bazzite.
My only gripe with Windows 11 is how it constantly puts in crap I don’t like without my permission and I’ll have to spend time to remove it.
Other than that and the incoherent UI philosophy, the OS is pretty smooth.
No, just familiarity what you're sold on.
Microsoft: Our computer.
Microsoft: your computer, my choice
Capitalize the computer, socialize your hardware.
Normies dont see an issuesz the merchant is much obliged
I am very glad I moved to Linux full time
Despite what everyone told me on message boards about lack of support for Adobe products and CAD software... somehow I've been really successful on linux-only for many many years now.
It's really nice. Remember when your computer was actually yours? You choose what apps to install, what configuration you want, and who you share your data with? Those dreams are alive with Linux: Not just for nerds anymore.
Despite what everyone told me on message boards about lack of support for Adobe products and CAD software...
Do you know something I don't? I can get away with running Affinity software through wine instead of Adobe, but the only good CAD option is running OnShape in your browser, but then you have to deal with the terrible licensing model of OnShape
What did you end up using for CAD? qCAD?
I've been wanting to learn but all of my peers in school learned on AutoCAD.
Stuff like this is why I disabled the TPM on my computer. No TPM means that you're "not eligible" for 11, meaning I don't get nagged by the random full screen pop-ups.
I updated my bios at some point and it turned on the TPM again, be careful! When I got an update window and quite the shock, I added a group policy to block the update as a backup.
Disabling secure key storage is a weird hill to die on but ok
10 is the last version of Windows I'll be using, and I don't want to have more full screen ads for 11 pop up on top of whatever program I'm trying to use. The previous time it happened is what prompted me to do it in the first place, and I'm definitely not gonna let them force update my Windows version like they've done in the past.
The nagging to pay for the OneDrive subscription is something I would only see on trashy websites full of ads. I guess that’s what Windows has become.
A trashy website full of ads, that’s the most accurate description of Windows indeed. Nice.
I figured to turn on one drive for my business user account as I was using two computers.
Then I decided, that I didn’t want it to sync the documents folder since I don’t really use it.
The settings told me that it can’t stop syncing the desktop, pictures, or documents folders because they had critical files or something like that.
I just signed out of OneDrive and the problem was solved.
If it was so critical why does everything work after signing out?
I fucking hate using windows.
Google is the same. Every time I open the stock gallery app instead of the FOSS one it nags me to enable backups for my photos. And I know if I do I will be forced to pay their subscription.
Well you won't be forced, but they will take your gmail hostage since all Gapps share the same 15gb now.
We'll see. I've set the Group policy to limit feature updates to Win 10 22H2. I will be unhappy if they over-ride or reset a GPO.
M$oft: "Your hardware, my computer"
If they keep this up when are they going to offer to buy me a new PC for the new OS?
Yes, it'll be part of the subscription package. Similar to your phone.
Until the AI stuff I would have loved to get an upgrade. Now... Not so much. And good thing my computer doesn't qualify due to their arbitrary standards.
Genuine question: why not try Linux? You'll continue to get updates without the nagware. There are very few games I play that cant run on proton at this point.
Multiplayer gaming. I love games like Foxhole and they usually have a bit of trouble on Linux.
With my TPM chip off I do not qualify either, I guess at some point windows will upgrade without my intervention then be bricked, plz Proton make the 70 missing vr titles in my library work, you are my only hope!
Is there anyway to permanently stop windows from updating? I tried few methods off YT but updates do not stop.
(No, don't recommend me Linux. I have tried it(Mint and Manjaro) and it is way out of my skillset)
Absolutely, yes, I've had it disabled since the first W10 feature update. It gets harder with every new release, but it is doable.
You need to manually disable these services with Regedit
-Update Orchestrator (UsoSvc)
-Windows Update Medic Service (WaaSMedicSvc)
-Windows Update (wuauserv)
-Microsoft Edge Update Service (edgeupdate + edgeupdatem)
-Microsoft Edge Elevation Service (MicrosoftEdgeElevationService)
Then you need to go into Task Scheduler and disable all the tasks under the services listed above. I'd also suggest not using Edge, as it will now aggressively repair Windows Update, even with all this stuff disabled.
Thanks man, will try these out.
I'm glad to see someone not downvoted for refusing to use Linux on Lemmy. The environment here is getting better for even non-linux users.
The US (which is usally a majority as it was for Reddit) just hasnt woken up yet /s
https://github.com/tsgrgo/windows-update-disabler
Everything else people commonly suggest online does not work.
Woah, thanks for dropping the link. I did disable w10 update by modifying registry for each services which time consuming.
I'm not here to change your mind, but man... Mint and Manjaro are not great introductions to Linux IMO.
Yes, but I wouldn't recommend it. Every day, attackers develop new methods to compromise your system. Those updates fix the vulnerabilities. In this increasingly connected age, those fixes are critical.
Turn off TPM support in bios to prevent the windows 11 install popups. Win 11 requires TPM.
Win 11 requires TPM.
until they need that last few percent to make line go up
Disconnect the PC from the internet.
It's also the only way to safely run a computer without updates.Disable the Windows Update service?
you could always just find the folder windows update lives in and change the permissions so the system can't access it.
Install a firewall like portmaster and block processes that update there is about half dozen of them.
As others have said prolly not be route security wise, unless you manually permit security updates.
Just a heads up, it's not out of your skill set if you can operate Windows. If anything, it's usually easier if you don't want to do anything particularly technical. It requires relearning things (which you had to do for Windows too, and will again in the future), but if you don't understand something you search online or ask for help, like you're doing here. It turns out, you can't do everything you want with Windows, but you've grown accustomed to it. That's the difference. You have to grow to get used to anything new, even if it's "better" or "easier."
Turning off updates likely requires editing registries, which is far more technical than anything you'll need to do on Linux.
Last time I tried as trivial as changing a theme on linux, it broke my taskbar(idk what you call it in linux) and wouldn't respond at all. I looked for solutions online and couldn't find the solution as the forum threads keep closing before they arrive on a fix.
So I tried to fix it myself and changed to another theme. This theme doesn't have the same issue but somehow it breaks the only game I play which used to run just fine before.
And that's the last nail in the coffin for linux for me.
Bro istg if I reboot my windows separate ssd and it's windows 11 am fully gonna use Linux
Anyone know where I can buy a gaming PC with linux preinstalled instead of windows?
Pretty much all modern Linux installers offer to wipe the existing drive and overwrite. Just prepare a USB drive and boot from it, then follow the steps in the wizard.
I get that, and this is likely what I will do for my existing PCs. The reason I ask is three fold: 1) To save time. I don’t have a ton of spare time, so I would rather spend it gaming than messing around with wiping drives and installing stuff. 2) To encourage my friends to switch over, many of whom are less likely to spend time and effort than I am. 3) This is less important, but wouldn’t I be paying for a windows license I won’t even use? Not a fan of wasting the money, not a fan of paying Microsoft for a service I’m actively fighting to get away from.
Nonetheless, thanks, I will try to find some time to fiddle with installing on an older machine I have and see how that goes.
And for those on the other side of the Atlantic, there are several computer shops that will just put a computed together for you without an OS.
Here's a random example "configure your own computer" from a computer shop in France. In this one the OS (Système d'exploitation) is not included and you have to pay extra for it.
In my experience with custom assemblies like this the OS is never included.
When I live in the UK at some point I've even used of these kind of stores there to get a custom notebook.
It's basically an "assemble your own computer" for people who don't know how to do it and aren't confident enough to try (understandable given that the parts value of a whole desktop PC adds up to at least €1000 so there generally is some fear of fucking it up if you've never done it before).
Writing this on a Tuxedo Pulse 14 gen 3 - great laptop, flawless Linux support and a coding workstation. Perfect for a bit of eg. Disco Elysium or Crusader Kings 3 on the go, but it's no gaming machine; it has a lot of pixels for a Radeon 780M to push. They do have a list of gaming laptops, though, if you wanted a speciality machine?
I have a system76 machine. It's been really good with steam. Or a steam deck, it's just a PC.
Their laptops are not worth it if I'm honest. They have issues with the hinges. I had two of them give out. They use a very cheap plastic. But you are guaranteed no driver issues if you use PoPOS on their own machines.
At least when it came to a laptop, I bought mine without a preinstalled OS - that is far more common than preinstalled Linux.
Build one!
I built one — took about 4 hours once all the parts arrived. My first build. Installed Linux Mint from a flash drive and it worked perfectly. Ended up switching to Zorin OS later — also works fine.
I have been able to play every game I wanted, except one requiring a VR headset.
System76, Dell, HP.
That said, I feel it's very worth taking an evening to backup and install yourself
Steam deck maybe
Yeah, you buy a gaming PC with Windows and you insert a USB stick and install Linux. Otherwise, you'll be paying a high premium for a company that does basically the same thing. Things to look out for are try to find a PC with Intel networking and bluetooth adapters. Realtek is relatively well supported, but has been known to have issues.
System76, tuxedo computers or for handheld a steam deck
As others have mentioned, it's incredibly easy to install yourself. You just need a flash drive and another device with internet access.
If you're gaming, I'm using Garuda Dragonized, which is set up for gaming. I've liked it and seen many others like it too. Regardless, KDE is probably the DE you want if you're coming from Windows, but there are plenty of others you may prefer.
You probably can't get it pre-installed, which I think is probably monopolistic if the only OS choice presented to customers is Windows. That's how it's spread so far, not because it's easier. The issue with pre-installing is they'd either have to let you choose from a ton of options or just limit your choices. It's easier to let the customer handle it.
System76 desktop is not gaming per se but it will game
They develop PopOS which is one of the better "normie" linux distros and supports nvidia gpus if you cuda is ur thing.
I'm sure if you searched for stuff nearby you could find a small local shop who could help you out.
Didn't they do that since win7?
Finally, the year of the Linux desktop
I've been hearing that since 2007
That's the joke.
But damned if MS aren't trying to make it a reality at every turn.
Once Cosmic DE release, trust me bro
I actually had a nightmare last night that my computer updated itself to some horrid version of windows and I spent it all frantically looking for my windows 7 ISO and keygen among old backups to blow it away and start again.
its bad enough i have to constantly kill the oobe crap every few minutes. glad i dont have that to pile on
Took me a second to realize she wasn't incarcerated.
Glad I switched to fedora