Where did she get that number? Where's the source?
Majorities of both men (61%) and women (64%) express support for legal abortion.
38% of men are against abortion, and 33% of women are against.
The numbers are pretty similar.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/
Thanks, the story she was telling was counter-intuitive and without source. Hence, doubt!
Those are different numbers, percentage of men who are against abortion and percentage of people against abortion who are men are not the same.
Doesn't matter. If you take those numbers, let's say 4 out of 10 men are against abortion, so you put them in a pile.
Then you take 3 out of 10 women against abortion and you put them in the same pile.
So now you have a pile with 4 men and 3 women who are against abortion. Which would mean 4/7 people who are against abortion are men. Which is 57%. Not 79% at all.
Either way. What's the source. Should always source your statistics.
Honestly it's absolutely shocking that there are anti-abortion women at all tbh but it's also in the same country where half the country wants to elect an inept treasonous convict
there are a lot of women in jeebus camp who've been indoctrinated since birth to do what they're told by men. they argue that it frees them of the 'burden' of thinking for themselves and making their own decisions. because the belief that those things are too much work for a woman is part of the indoctrination
A lot of working class men and enbies are taught to think that way too when it comes to questioning Capital or the government. Most people want to avoid pain and effort. If society tells them that taking responsibility for their own lives is painful, they won't do it. Look at how many people "hate talking about politics". It's learned helplessness. They don't want to be involved in making the decisions that affect their lives. They want a strong person to do it for them. That's why fascism is able to fester.
Rich people know that they are exempt to most rules and sometimes they just want to impose them on others.
100%
How many of these anti abortion politicians have sent their mistresses out of state for abortions, probably even pressuring or coercing them using their more advanced legal, financial, and social standings?
Need babies for war
It is perfectly fine being anti-abortion for personal beliefs, but to be anti-choice for others is shocking.
Even as a personal belief it can be problematic when it causes harm to children you have while your own life circumstances don't really make that a good idea (e.g. being gravely ill and dying soon after the birth, leaving the child a predictable orphan; having genetic diseases that will kill any children you have after significant suffering with no chance of a cure;...). There are always at least two people to consider in any decision not to abort, even if one is only a future potential person (but unlike the decision to abort, where that person does not exist in that future, when they are born they actually can suffer).
It isn't really shocking if you look at it objectively and see from their perspective for a moment.
A genuine pro-lifer, by definition, believes that abortion is morally equivalent to murdering a newborn, because the unborn is equivalent to a baby, to them.
So imagine how such a person would read what you just said:
It is perfectly fine being against murder for personal beliefs, but to be against giving others the choice to murder is shocking.
It's understandable that the above sentiment would come off like the words of a madman.
Because there is truly no 'debate' to actually be had about whether or not one believes the unborn 'count' as babies, it's completely futile to argue with pro-lifers on that axis.
Nor should one be surprised that they are 'anti choice for others' when itI comes to this, as I am sure you are against others having the choice to murder at will, regardless of whether you wish to murder anyone.
It's like saying that it's shocking that a hypothetical group of people who believe theft is the worst possible crime you can commit, believe in capital punishment for thieves. Sure, it sounds bizarre to everyone else, but it shouldn't be surprising at all that they feel that way, given that they believe.
And if these women had an ectopic pregnancy they’d be the first in line to abort it while denying that right to other women.
Those numbers are horseshit though, lol. There is no significant difference between the sexes on this topic:
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/
Majorities of both men (61%) and women (64%) express support for legal abortion.
Abortion isn't a 'battle of the sexes' topic, and you should be wary of anyone perpetuating this myth. In my experience, those most likely to do so, are those who see men in general as 'the enemy', and use this narrative as a tool to confirm and spread their bias.
Well, a lot of women think life begins at conception, not at birth. And yeah, complications happen, but that's life.
Before Roe v. Wade were overturned I was critical about abortion, then we started hearing about all the trouble women go through and it shows how essential abortion is for reducing birth complications, even if it sounds illogical.
My main issue were when abortion was used as contraceptive, because at the time of abortion the body is increasing hormone production and then it's tough on the woman emotionally when the fetus is removed, but then I learn that in those states sex-ed is very limited and contraceptives can be hard to get hold of. And without sex-ed and contraceptives abortion is the only option left.
In light of all that I now know why we need abortion and feel like a fool for opposing it.
because at the time of abortion the body is increasing hormone production and then it's tough on the woman emotionally when the fetus is removed
I applaud you changing your mind in face of new information, I just kind of want to nitpick that being forced to carry a pregnancy that you don't want to term is also going to be extremely physically and emotionally tough.
As a relative to a parent, who’s grandparents didn’t even want them but had to give birth to my parents, due to society stigma at the time, it honestly genuinely not worth it, esp with the amount of trauma my parent (dad) had to endure, due to not being loved and cared for, which has lead to further trauma extended to me too, due to unresolved pain. Abortion is a necessity. It saves lives alongside, helping people not suffer from further trauma and pain for the future for themselves and kids as well.
I’m curious, is there ANY evidence of ‘abortion as contraceptive’ happening?
Well, sort of. In that in states that teach abstinence-only sexual education, there is a higher rate of teen pregnancy. I’m guessing you could extrapolate from that and find that teen abortion rates are higher, but I don’t have that data.
As I like to say to “pro-life” people: “Want to reduce abortion? Make contraception free and teach comprehensive sexual education.”
I also applause your willingness to change your mind based on new facts learned and please don't take this as an attack because it isn't, it's just a curiosity of mine. Did body autonomy not factor into your previous stance? I'm sure we both agree woman are perfectly capable of making their own decisions with their own body, why does anyone need to be involved in what they choose to do.
Tangentially related but I saw a state in the US basically made it so rapists could choose the mother of their children by both having abortion be illegal and making it so rapists could share parental rights with their victim. Essentially forcing the mother to be involved with their abuser. Shits crazy yo.
Regarding bodily autonomy, my previous stance were something like this: Abortion is a major decision and women should be counselled to make sure they know what they go into, and maybe try and convince them to keep it.
And that stance is probably fine if we lived in a perfect world where a few women got pregnant by accident, and it were the only reason for abortion.
But live in a world with: rapists, incest, teen pregnancy, ectopic pregnancy, failing contraceptics, and many other reasons for abortion.
So I can only agree that the only way forward is full bodily autonomy.
Yup, and I'm still critical of abortion, but because of similar stuff to what you said, my official position is essentially pro-abortion, with some caveats to discourage things I find truly awful (e.g. no abortion after learning the gender unless it's for a medical emergency).
68% of people believe in made-up numbers. 71% even, if the numbers sound random enough.
This is erasure of the like, 1 maybe 2, trans men that are anti-abortion
trans men that are anti-abortion
Well, allow me to be inclusive and say that both cis- and trans men who oppose aborion deserve a very equal kick to the face.
Yeah I kind of thought the statement was somehow obliquely anti-trans, but I didn't want to open that can of arsenic.
Though abortion isn't about men vs. women... It's more like everyone against some religuous bigots.
It is far, far from only religious bigots who oppose abortion.
Is it? I mean I probably live in a different culture than most of the people here. I don't know that many people in real life who are opposed in the way I read from the news from overseas (or our more catholic neighbors). And what I've read that science has a differentiated stance on it. It's okay up to a certain point and consequences need to be factored in and weighed... What else are reasons to be strictly anti-abortion?
No they don't. They only tell half the story.
The fact that the remaining 21% regularly go to abortion clinics anyway and tell the doctors that they will go to hell for giving them an abortion even as they demand one tells the other half.
I would encourage you to read the post more carefully. It doesn't say anything about how many men oppose abortion. It's making a claim about how many abortion opponents are men. Therefore, the 21% left over in that statement are in fact women who, most likely due to religious brainwashing, oppose abortion.
Wow... I'm in the 21% who don't oppose abortion and I also don't go to clinics to harass the doctors, so apparently the story has at least 3 halves.
if you don't oppose abortion then you're not in that 21%
Doesn't really matter because the supermajority of Americans think abortion should be legal anyway. It's a small minority of the population that we have allowed to dictate domestic policy for their religious agenda.
It's not even religious. Their religion says all kinds of really important shit that they completely ignore. They just pick this one specific issue because they hate women and it's a lot easier to say "Uhhhh it's because of my religion, you're discriminating against me!" than it is to say "I hate women and want them to suffer".
Their motivations are still religious. Scripture and belief/practice often do not coincide or outright contradict each other.
It's religious leaders saying this stuff. It isn't in scripture. Not Christian scripture, at any rate.
I think that's confusing simple ignorance and crappy reasoning with hate, which is a very misapplied word today. Another example is people who don't recycle - they don't hate the environment, they're just fucking lazy.
Reminds me of how some at the GOP was making a joke that it makes no sense for women over 50 to even care about abortion rights cause it doesn't apply to them anymore.
Yet he saw no problem with him, as a man who can never carry a child, having an opinion on abortions.
Plenty of men support abortion - it removes financial responsibility from them, after all. Protests at abortion clinics are often held by women as much as men.
The more important demographic here is that most opposed to abortion are strongly religious.
Look outside the US and you'll see that countries that do support choice are less influenced by the Church. It's not coincidence.
And many of the men who oppose abortions, are massive fucking hypocrits who will gladly have their mistress get an abortion somewhere else.
Almost as if claiming a simple statistic tells the whole story doesn't tell the whole story.
And of the women, probably 1/3rd of them are post-menopausal and won't have any more kids either
There are definitely women with kids who are against abortion. Source: I know some of them.
My sister in law with 8 children is "against it as a contraceptive" which I'm not convinced has been a thing for more than a handful of people that wasn't due to lack of proper contraceptive access and education, or mental disorder.
However she AND her religious husband have been "reconsidering" purely from the goodness of their hearts and surely not because the majority of their children are girls, the oldest of which is soon to be a teenager, I'm sure. Definitely not because now it affects their family directly...
And because I'm sure someone will get a giggle out of this anecdote, they forbid any sleepovers with BOYS because they don't want anyone "making purple", but) and completely dismiss the fact that their girls could decide they would rather make pinker pink.
I totally understand the point and I’m not trying to undermine, but I’m curious is this close to the actual ratio for 79%?
But statistically 50% of the aborted fetuses will be male! Checkmate!
The 79% statistic does not seem true,, at least if we're assuming the American context. The sentiments around legal abortion are more similar than that between men and women, with 38% of men opposed and 33% of women opposed to legal abortion in most cases.
And those 79% should never get an abortion if they do become pregnant and leave everyone else the fuck alone.
Our, maybe try a slightly less sexist approach and look at the religion these people follow. In my experience, abortion has never been a man/woman issue, it's a religious one
Idk how to respectfully say this, but you are being so vengeful toward religion that you forgot the intersectionality of gender and sex to that equation. This is not to invalidate your feelings, but that I find your statement invalidating a large part of this topic for no reason.
Seems like a classic case of if I can't have one you can't either.
Yeah but from my experience at least 33% of them have helped pay for an abortion.
As one of the 21% who support abortion I think this statement is a little cavalier. The numbers tell more than one story.
It's not saying that 79% of men are abortion opponents.
It's saying that 79% of abortion opponents are men.
Those two statements are very different.
Oh yeah I read it wrong. Nevertheless, the point is that this one statistic doesn't tell a whole story.
Here's a pew research thing finding about 61% of men supporting abortion in the US in 2024; lagging behind women at 64% but not by much
I believe it for sure.
99% of people who are opposed to murder will never be murdered, the numbers speak for themselves.
Pro choice just thought the argument was a little funny lol
Wouldn't 99% of people who are opposed to murder will never be a murderer the more reflective statement here?
Also pro-choice.
Ye you're right I'm a failure of a commenter 😭
This just in, most people opposed to theft/murder/crime in general haven't been direct victims but want to see a better society. These numbers go to show that numbers pulled out of thin air are meaningless.
Make your point without being anti- another group. Stop the US vs THEM bs.
100% sounds like an exaggeration. Around half a percent of men can get pregnant. Some of those are surely anti-choice.
i think that we should start referring to it as child sacrifice++
Weird how many pro-lifers also support the death penalty.
So if we make refusal to vacate a uterus a capital offense, we have a path to compromise
I don't see what the ability to treat women as people who get control over their own bodies has to do with being a woman yourself or being able to become pregnant yourself.
Some (maybe most?) people are selfish and only care about policies which directly affect them?
I don't think that is the root cause here, if that was true the people opposed to abortion wouldn't feel so strongly about it because they aren't really affected by other people having abortions (no, not even in their religious world view).
In fact, the percentage of the population directly affected by abortion legislation one way or the other is likely relatively small (not tiny, but probably not more than 20%) due to age and other life circumstances that make it unlikely for them to need one. The vast majority of the rest are people who "merely" have empathy with those who do and that includes men and women alike.
