Ok, my first thought was "no way" but different areas of the country are different, so I was open to digging in. Looks like my gut was right, it's just more "alternative facts."

He never once said that, you people are so dogmatic.

I love how the ml community plays off how big a threat Trump is. History repeating itself.

My best friend best represents my position but voting for him does nothing. Rigid morals that have no impact on improving anything are pointless.

Whenever I'm in an ml community I love seeing what's down voted and why. Always a trip....

Jesus, bucketing everyone together and then throwing out crazy labels. Sounds like you live by the MAGA playbook.

I haven't seen this mentioned enough. If you're job is to move and protect your flock then being high up and able to see further helps a lot.

A guy is wildly racist for a few decades and suddenly that's bad? This is 'merica! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

So the defense to him saying and doing terrible things is that he lies, I dunno.

My honest take is they would boot him pretty quick and have JD step up once elected. There's enough there to deem him unfit after he pulls in the votes they want. Plus JD could run again.

I get that, but if the risk is real is it really hyperbole? I'm honestly not trying to be extreme but the guy said you won't have to vote again and that he wants to be a dictator. He said he wants to lock up news channels that say bad things about him. I mean, it doesn't feel like hyperbole to me.

It's not giving up your principals, it's living in reality. If candidate A will make the world perfect but would never get elected, you voting for them does nothing. And if you think Trump and Harris are usually as bad, and can't acknowledge the risl he poses then you have your head in the sand. The man said people wouldn't have to vote again, he wants to lock up news stations who say he things about him, he said he wants to be a dictator, he wants to just give Russia parts of Ukraine. Come on, seriously.

People need to look at options and see where they can make impact. Voting third party is saying %10 better isn't good enough, I'll vote for %100 better and risk things getting much worse. This is rigid morals causing more harm than good.

The term "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" has never been more true.

And now that actually fascism is at our doorstep people are too exhausted to care? We have to always care. Keeping a democracy in tact and free of corruption isn't a set it and forget it system.

There is only one way for him not to win, and it's not by voting third party.

Voting third party is worrying about your flat tire while the car is in fire going 100 mph. Yes the flat tire is a very real concern but if the car blows up the flat tire won't matter.

Wait, is that not what relaxing is?

I dunno, you're whole stance is claiming things that run counter to my experience and I don't feel wrong having attacked ML at all. You can say both sides do it, but even in that case it's wrong. I'm not looking to find a place that strictly lines up with my views so I can just live in an air tight echo chamber. I speak my mind in all communities and have only gotten banned in ML because I don't fit the mold. Maybe I've not come at people in world "the right way" like you have to get censored but I'm open to being shown some instances of it.

I'd love to show you examples of my normal comments removed, but they've all been removed lol. What would you like me to show you, I guess I could screen shot it from the mobile app on my side.

If you're Marxist and want to live in that ML bubble that's fine, but I'm not interested in a community that is so strict in what can and can't be said, especially if it's going to host non political communities. It seems like reinforcing group think. If it's all about Marxism then only host those communities, hosting others seeems like a slimy way to inject politics into other things.

For the Emperor!

Lol there's that hyperbole

Ignoring reality doesn't make it less true. Certain groups of people or environments are worse than others, acting like that isn't reality is pretty naive.

If there was a pro slavery, racist group would you say they deserve to be respected, of course not. There is a line, we just disagree on where it is. And calling that disagreement tribalism is simply trying to hand wave away valid criticism.

Long term plans that will fail if you let the system break before those plans have a chance come to light. You're trying to fine tune a system that's in danger of falling apart. We need to make sure the system doesn't fall apart before we can worry about tweaking it.

Candidates should listen to the voters, but we need to be realistic on how and when we can make moves. We need to look at the situation and see how we can best move the needle in the right direction. If you let evil men come into power as a result of your rigid morals than you are actually helping create what you hate most. You want the needle to move all the way to good, you won't take just %10 better, and as a result things may get much worse.

The road to hell is paved with the best intentions had never been more true.

No, they are showing how Trump, a person who never should be president, became the president. It shows that 3rd party voters can impact the outcome but choose not to. It doesn't have to be that way, you can make an impact.