Opinion: When you are trying to build a community it is more important to use whatever platform your users can be found on than to be a purist.
but discord is simply less accessible than any other option. I can't even login without identifying 25 bicycles lmao
Putting everything on discord makes information unsearchable via search engines, which is objectivily not great. This recent habit is contributing to killing the web.
On a more subjective note, I just don't like it. On the top of my head : Confusing interface, wont' shut up about nitro, requires a phone number.
also data collection
On the other hand, discord is a great way to help organize a community wiki.
Opinion: Not if that community advertises itself to know/care about open source. Using a proprietary, privacy unfriendly service which uses predatory marketing to get people to spend money on bs stuff and arbitrarily paywall functionalities is both anti open source and anti people. Its enabling those companies. One could maybe argue for a strict bridge which only server to connect those who resist foss platforms.
Counterpoint: If said community is about a certain type of software, decisions over the type of platform matter more than popularity within teenagers. Coherence is important.
Well, i can't be there because the only provider doesn't accept my (mandatory) phone number.
My phone is set up as a tablet. It has no usable number.
I think it would be neat for Discord to enter the millennium.
trying to build a community
I honestly think that's the big part there. You can build a great app but it doesn't matter if no one is using it and you don't get feed back or it's not shared around.
So, here we are trying to use the newest virtual 3rd space to create a community so that there is people will feel engaged in the product and share it around to add more.
But that's also an issue with discord. It wants to be a social space more than a useful space and it usually gets entirely dominated by a few users with others less inclined to add in. It's also accessible but not easy necessarily to stumble into if you are outside of the community trying to look into it more.
It just does the wrong job, slower and less efficient than old school forums or wikis, but it's the tools we have to use in this less efficient connected Internet of the now.
if you're trying to build a chatroom then any chat software goes but if you're trying to build a community you should probably use something searchable and indexed, like real community software
also i find it laughable that users must already be on such platform, by your logic all communities should be mailing lists
You may find it laughable but it is what it is. Most people does not enjoy signing up for specific product forums. It's much easier to just add yet another discord server to the list.
Set up a Matrix space, bridge the channels to Discord. Everyone wins.
(But don't use IM outside of its useful scope regardless)
Lot of bridge bots for linking Matrix and Discord along with IRC
When you are trying to build a community
...Don't use community software, got it.
Project wiki >>>>>>>>...>>>>> discord >> communication via carrier pigeons
I think you're being a little unfair, communication via carrier pigeons is a valid solution as it outpaces IPv4/IPv6 carriers to this day
People did improve society, they made Matrix and XMPP.
The seatbelts already exist, you just need to use them.
Matrix really isn't that hard.
No, but you're gonna scare away a lot of people who don't wanna bother with it
If you don't do what you preach I don't respect you
The logo and "join our Discord" text are more than half cut off for me. Is that the original cropping, or is it a client (Jerboa) issue?
it's intentional
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand cropped memes. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of memetics and linguistics most of the jokes will go over a typical reader's head. There's also the high contrast color pallette, which is deftly woven into the message. Lemmy users understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike cropped memes truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in longing for the bottom half of the text, "Join our Discord". I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as the meme's genius wit unfolds itself on their smartphone screens. What fools..
The fact that this is the top comment sends a funny message about the Lemmy community as a whole.
Where matrix or/and xmpp
I said "future" hehe
I see this point a lot and I don't get it at all. You can do something awesome, free and open-source but use tools that aren't, especially when we're talking about community building. Sure, you can do your outreach exclusively on Mastodon or Farcaster, but the most eyes just happen to be on closed platforms, so it'd just be self-sabotage. Doing the only thing that makes sense doesn't make you a hypocrite.
Which project is this?
Virtually all of new projects created after certain years. Younger devs prefer setting up a discord server first than setting up a documentation site/wiki. I feel old.
It's ironic so many people are cucking to discord, having left reddit for lemmy
I'm genuinely curious what would be a good alternative to Discord for something like this
Mattermost is the most obvious option; it's a clone of Slack. IRC is another good option, although I know a lot of people hate it because they prefer features to freedom. I cannot recommend Matrix; the UX is fine but the cryptography has a few issues, as documented by Soatok here.
Revolt chat. Pretty much an open source discord.
IRC, XMPP, Matrix (in order of personal preference)
Matrix and matter most are my top two. Matrix is preferred because of the federation support and a pretty good bridge (to services such as discord) ecosystem.
While coding on a Mac.
OS is a personal choice, a messaging platform is not. You have to use the platform that the community is on, but you can choose your own OS.
it's honestly just magical thinking, like sovereign citizens saying they're "just travelling, not driving" to magically get around traffic laws, or people in the past murmuring prayers of protection against wolves.
might as well pour a line of salt around your house to protect against the robot invasion!
I might just visit your post and comment history instead of curating my own feed by now. :) best takes
😄 thanks dude. Don't put me on a pedestal though, wouldn't be able to live up to that 😉
Actually the mac OS is built in part with freeBSD. Open source nix has always had a place at Apple, but Apple greedy and bad right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD
Darwin, the system on which Apple's Mac OS X is built, is a derivative of 4.4BSD-Lite2 and FreeBSD
Here’s a good breakdown: https://stackoverflow.com/a/3449195
The Wikipedia BSD article is good (and accords with my own understanding, for what that's worth). It says that Darwin, the system on which Apple's Mac OS X is built, is a derivative of 4.4BSD-Lite2 and FreeBSD, and notes that 4.4BSD is the last release that Berkeley was involved with.
So, Darwin is as BSD as you can get (just like all the other BSDs!). OS X refers to those parts of the distribution which aren't open-source, principally the GUI, but including a variety of frameworks, and anything which relies on these won't be portable.
OS X as a whole is a UNIX 03 system. That's equivalent to being a truly POSIX-compliant system (as opposed to being POSIX-like).
As other answers have noted, the userland parts of the OS are unsurprising to anyone with much unix experience, and I've rarely had any difficulty building portable-unix software on OS X.
In contrast, the non-userland parts of the OS are pretty different. Apple seems to be willing to innovate in those areas fairly cheerfully. I think (but I'm not positive) that these changes are formally part of Darwin. One of the most obvious differences is that launchd has replaced cron, at, inetd, and much of the startup infrastructure.
….But go ahead and tell us how mac and open source is antithetical
Edit: for the downvoters, yes Apple has had their hands in open source from the start and never stopped. Doesn’t mean they’re the goddamn FOSS Jesus
Open source software is at the heart of Apple platforms and developer tools. Apple manages the following projects and encourages your contribution.
Yes, Apple, like many other corporations, uses FOSS components in their closed source software because it saves them money from free labor. There are also parts that make sense for them to distribute under a free license because they need developers to implement them in their software to work with their OS or browser.
That doesn't mean they're actually benefitting the FOSS community in any way, it just means the FOSS community is benefitting their closed source software for free.
thats what I call "perfectly cut"
I went to discord.com for looking where does it say it. I found nothing. are they really claim this?
It's not Discord, it's some project that has a Discord community
The joke is that they say they like free and open source software but then point to communicating via software that is not.
It’s a shit joke to be fair, like what, you can’t believe in open source unless you use nothing but open source? Fucking stupid
I can't believe I had to scroll this far to find it this explanation.
My first thought was "wait did discord saying something bad about FOSS lately?" No, nothing unusual. Must be missing something.
Turns out some people see Discord as a sort of mascot for closed source, and that is what the joke hinged on.
Edit:
Actually it's worse than that, isn't it? They're seeing the coexistence of closed source as being antithetical to open source.
Good luck with that I guess.
I was devastated when I learned X-Moto dumped their forums in favor of dicksword. You have the infrastructure already set up, why replace it with garbage, especially as an open source project?
@reimufumo The Discord is bridged to a Matrix room, right?
...or at least XMPP or even IRC... right?!
%100 free a- JOIN TO DISCORD IT'S PROPRIETARY BUT YOU SHOULD
