Sigh
I mean okay sure. I guess I'm glad they're finding out? Just wish they could have learned this shit like adults
Proof yet again that it's only events that affect the entire herd, like this one, that provoke actual change.
The more things change, we're still mainly dumbasses
Yeah, all of this feels a lot like propaganda, but it's hard to tell. It's just odd that people are aware enough to download this app, but don't know any basic facts about their own country.
Not to mention a lot of the examples are also just more misinformation. Like the example about price of food, thats a lot more complicated comparison than just dollars spent.
Where in the ever loving fuck is corn $7/lb? A 7/11 in Alaska supplied exclusively by dog sled?
I get this sentiment here but the way these posts are filled with straight up lies makes it feel like agitprop.
Also how much are Chinese getting paid comparatively. I'd rather see what % of each sides income goes to various things. If $1 is 50% of your income and $7 is 5% of the US side's... Like I can move to a nice place in Mexico and live like Elon or Bezos does here....doesn't mean Mexico has its shit together and a higher quality of life.
As a Brit its hard to tell sometimes when posts are just Americans complaining or if they really are being screwed over. We don't really grow corn like America does, for bulk cheap veg I guess we have potatoes. Spent £0.68/KG on them when I walked to Aldi the other day. Our minimum wage is £11.44/hour and rising to £12.21 in April.
The federal minimum wage in the United States is $7.25 per hour. That's equivalent to about £5.95 . For reference.
Most states have their own minimum wage, which complicates things. My home state, for example, just increased its minimum wage to $15.49 . That's about £12.72, so close to par with what yours will soon be.
When corn is in season, fresh corn cobs sell for about 5 for $1. I'd guess each cob is about 1 pound, so we're talking $0.20/pound, or $0.44 per kg.
Obviously the corn cob itself isn't edible, so you're not getting a pound of food from each, but there is also bulk processed frozen corn year round that is still usually less than $1/lb.
They miquoted the TikTok, it's prices per kg
1kg is 2.2lbs, so that still doesn't make sense.
It does seem like a psy-op, especially since people are denying that Social Credit exists.
Social credit doesn't exist.
It was a proposal that was piloted in 4 cities, and then scraped.
One thing that does exist is that if you are taken to court for certain antisocial behaviors (including not paying debts) is that you can be sentenced to certain hardships, i.e. banned from domestic flights or high speed trains (commuters take 10 times as long, if not more, on long distance travels), your application for a passport can be denied, you can be barred from home ownership etc. etc. for a number of years.
Those hardships were proposed as outcomes of bad social credit scores, vs. preferential treatment for enrolling kids in good schools, better interest rates on loans and deposited, eligibility to pre-book domestic trains on high intensity days (on Chinese New Year, trains are frequently booked out).
The benefits have been completely discarded, and the hardships were taken over into the penal code.
Source: Used to live in China during the pilot phase (foreigners were exempted though), I speak Chinese, my wife is Chinese, and I still visit frequently.
Or the country in which you live with significantly more control over what you see has been running a much longer much more successful psy op to get you to believe wild things in the first place. Like social credit.
Uhmmmm no thanks??? WTF
I don't love being spied on and shit but that's a pretty basic requirement. You can probs just call people on the app.
pretty sure thats so you can answer phone calls while the app is open
Sounds like a fun new game, called "Propaganda or not?"
The best kind of propaganda is simply a perspective on the truth.
Back when Drudge Report and Brietbart were a huge hit online, the sites would have subcommunities that were entirely "Black Crime" and "Radical Islamism". They got flooded with videos, screenshots, testimonials, news reports, publicly available statistics - anything to reinforce the base claim that black and Muslim people were inherently dangerous to be around. You'll find lots of communities like that today on Reddit and 4chan and Twitter and in the back corners of your Joe Rogan Fan Community message boards, too.
People who come out of these media ecosystems are primed to be reflexively angry and terrified. They've been filling their brains with data point after data point - plenty of which are technically accurate - cementing the justification for their racist attitudes.
Now you're seeing something of the reverse on sites like Rednote. Endless iterations of data from Americans signaling that we are all miserable and impoverished and horribly abused by state administrators. What's that going to do to the brains of the people who consume it?
I don't care what your ideology is, or which side of the isle you're on. This is a good thing. What may come of it, is yet to be seen. I'm convinced however, this will make us stronger as a species in a death struggle against capitalism.
Do I find the flood of users from TikTok to Rednote extremely funny? Yes, absolutely.
Do I think its indicative of an ideological sea change in a country that's gradually closing the door on any kind of subversive or radical sentiment? Not particularly, no.
People who just want to watch TikTok dances and re-cut Family Guy shorts aren't going to win a death struggle against the owners of the biggest treat machines. Rats fleeing a sinking ship are not agents of revolutionary change.
False dichotomy but I could see it either way
Especially rats with such fleeting attention spans that this will blow over within a week.
Cultural exchange is the death of fascism. Once you realize that people everywhere are just... people, the whole "othering" construct that props up nationalism falls apart.
The “aisle” refers to the space which divides the majority side from the minority on the House and Senate floor.
The corn thing is absolute bullshit. The ambulance thing is dead on. I got my ambulance bill today from the city Fire Dept. And it is $3,900 to go 4 miles, no lights, sirens, or drugs administered in the vehicle. Just a ride.
Insane to me as a European.
I had a surgery on my nose done, to improve breathing at night. Was fully covered by my health insurance no questions asked, and according to their statement less than 2000€ incl a night in hospital. Only thing I had to pay was like 10€ or so to the hospital.
Can't imagine what that would have cost in the US of A. I'd probably still be struggling with breathing.
So I can't say what your cost would have been but can tell you mine for a minor stroke.
3 days in ICU, Clot Buster drug, CT Scan, MRI Scan, ECG, Heart Ultrasound, 3 Blood Screenings, and a slew of other drugs, tests, and treatments.
Total: $236,678.49 Including the Ride to the Hospital. I didn't have insurance at the time as I was out of work and my wife was moving to a new position so I'm on the hook for 100% of that.
Unless you are fearing for your life, call a taxi.
Thanks captain hindsight. 🫡
Corn is absolutely not $7/lb wtf are you even talking about.
The original post they're quoting tplked about kilograms, not pounds
Let’s forget corn and look at other groceries. Where I live, half a gallon milk is $5, a loaf of bread is $6.5, potatoes are $3 a pound, dozen eggs are $6 and so on. Grocery prices only rose about 200% in the past 4-5 years. I used to get loads of food for $100, now everytime I do a grocery run I pay at least $70-80.
That is based fully on where you live. I just got home from the grocery store.
1 Gal Whole Milk: $2.69 1 Dozen Large Free Roaming Chicken Eggs: $2.89 2.5 lbs 80/20 Ground Beef: $7.86 5lb bag Russet Potatoes: $2.56 5lb bag Satsumas: $7.85 1 Loaf Whole Grain Bread: $3.12
But at the same time, I did see that a 12 pack of Pepsi was $9, 1/2 gal Tropicana Orange Juice $5.50. I didn't get these things, but they were more then they used to be by a significant margin.
This is selective. A dozen eggs at Aldi near me is $3.50. There is no loaf of bread in the store which is $6.50. According to my grocery log I have kept over the past ten years, process are up about 20% since 2020.
An ear of corn yields, on average, about 3/4 cup or 2oz of kernels. There's 16 oz in a pound. My grocery store was selling ears of corn for $.67/ea. 16 / 2 * .67 = $5.36/lb. You can get ears of corn pre-shucked and wrapped in plastic for closer to $1/ear, at which point you're looking at an even $8/lb.
$7 is in the ballpark, at the least. The markups on even simply abundant produce like corn is absurd.
Corn for $1 but dictatorship? Sign me up!
/s
Was that the idea of tucker karlson when he praised low grocery prices in moscow ?
I don't really think that's the point necessarily, just more evidence that our country is garbage generally.
You must be from the USA or you'd said like "thats why WYZ is so bad" am a right ?
You can't get bread like this in the US!
I'm not sure if it's more of a reaction or something that is around to stay for a bit. It's very much a Chinese app, The majority wasn't in English, but there are plenty of bilinguals. I went ahead and signed up and cruised around for a bit to see what's what.
There are a lot of welcome posts warning that it's ok to criticize the US government, but don't criticize the Chinese government. Which is interesting, but I doubt toktokers/Americans care about criticizing the Chinese government. There are some jokes about Taiwan that may bother some, and LGBTQ+ content and religion are basically no-gos. It does make you realize that there's not really a replacement for TikTok, you've got your further right spaces and your corporate friendly places, but a chunk of the free assembly Internet was just killed by the government.
It seems like it's kind of a Lady tips and tricks focused Instagram/Facebook/family-friendly from 1000 years ago type of thing, minus the advertising and thirst traps.
I think it absolutely won't fulfill the slightly subversive and free range aspects of the TikTok hole, but it seems like both the rednote and tiktok crowd are having some fun with interacting. The language barrier will probably be too great to last past the initial bubble of excitement.
From an outsider: the lack of ads/promotional material/sponsored content/internalized marketing is the most striking difference to me. It's super possible to underestimate how culturally ingrained and normalized that stuff is. The big caveat to that is: I don't speak Mandarin, so who knows what it's really like.
I'd honestly say: download and cruise around, it's pretty interesting tbh. It's a bit more wholesome, I guess because of socialism/the social focused culture (as opposed to US individualism/capitalist paradigm).
It's kind of a gas, and may be a neat opportunity to take a peak at a side of the world you don't get to see much. Who knows how long it'll last. Plus, get a chance to troll the US media/government.
What's Rednote? Another kind of Tiktok?
RedNote is an app similar to Tiktok but actually owned by the Chinese Government.
What is even more crazy is that it's not really even localized and most of the app is in Mandarin.
My initial comment is completely incorrect. I apologize for spreading misinformation.
As other commenters pointed out, RedNote is a private company operating in mainland China and is not owned by the government.
It is owned by a private Chinese company, not the Chinese government. It’s just another corporate social media platform. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaohongshu
It's more like a mix of Instagram and Pinterest. Short form video is frowned upon, they value longer and more thoughtful videos. It is definitely not TikTok, despite what the tiktok refugees initially thought.
They are actively working on English localization and translation, and they include a feature to automatically add subtitles in both English and Mandarin when speaking either.
It is a very welcoming community and it's mostly people sharing pictures of their pets in the comments.
It's not "owned" by the Chinese government, but like every other corporation in China it is the government that holds corporations to account, not the other way around like in the US. And it's more for worker protections and other regulations than it is for any sort of nefarious purposes.
RedNote is an app similar to Tiktok but actually owned by the Chinese Government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaohongshu#History
This appears to be a publicly traded company based in China. But it isn't owned by the Chinese Government any more than Facebook or Twitter is owned by the American government.
Everyone is so pleasant there
From what I understand TikTok is used as the main example, but RedNote would get banned as well.
Literally anyone America can consider an adversary can be banned. I sure love my free market!
But in this case it would be automatic because it's from China. I might be mistaken though.
Love to see it.
The app where you can criticize your own country but not the Chinese Communist Party.
Corn is 64c a can here in White Flight Missouri
It is also no.1 in Singapore's google play store.
Depending on how much of the firewall that Beijing wants to maintain i think it'll bifurcate into an a Chinese and an international app
And this is why I've given up on Americans and America in general.
I just don't know why they didn't move onto Instagram.
probably because Instagram is old.
Fuck instagram
Instagram is much more centered around influencers, there's little dialogue.
Instagram users vowed to call tiktokers every racial slur they could if they posted on reels.
The fuck are you on about?
I’m a big fan of North Korean social media myself.
It is uplifting to see that most Americans haven’t succumbed to their government’s propaganda
Fuck off and spend some time over there instead of here, then.
This is exactly why I think Slrpnk are just a bunch of masked up Tankies, they sure do suck a lot of authoritarian cock for supposed anarchists.
