They both hate Jews and love the Jewish state. I never understood this.

You're 100% right but unlike any other religion, their very small and the majority have links to Israel and so are involved in the oppression (not all by choice, many many many great people like illan paper, norman Finkelstein and so many other) who do great work. But knowing all this, it makes me so upset and angry in the deepest part of my heart. Loudly I will support the Jewish people for they are humans are my brothers. I just don't understand how they can see us with such vitriol when Palestinian historically didn't do shit to them.

Honestly you are right as someone who started his love for history with the Romans, I didn't know this was a debate, so I did some research and to me personally the end of the Roman empire was 476ad with the last western Roman empire abdicating. Or perhaps the fall of Constantinople

Among which historians specifically? I'm unaware of any serious debate here other than propagandists using the name second Rome, third Rome, ceaser etc. sorry buddy Roman empire collapsed when the franks, Visigoths, ostrogoths and Huns toppled the west. Wanna know why it ended then? Byzantine had split long before into a separate entity to distance itself from Rome and when it collapsed it chugged along with it's greek orthodox ideals

Id barely call the byzantines the Romans. They were a greek led empire

It's crazy how they and the west propagandised for years about terrorism and Islamism when their biggest allies like use, Israel and Saudi Arabia are the biggest reasons the Muslim world is the way it is. Israel is a vile nation and while I believe the cycle of hatred needs to be breaked, if I was a Palestinian, I would want every single Zionist (not every Israeli) dead or gone

Why would they, entland is the parliment. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland combined make up a fraction of England's population. Scotland's still better tho

So you're telling me Asif Rahman who was employed by the CIA Did the job of preventing an escalation is being jailed? More and more I feel Israels actions will cause it's demise soon but also that Israel will be Americas demise. God I truly hope civil war rips America apart in Rome like fashion

I feel like it's because he's been so emboldened by western support so far, but how the Gaza war, Lebanon, Yemen and so on, even the west is getting sick of bibi. I'm hoping shit like this will finally be the straw theat breaks the camels back