If a car company in Germany complemented Hitler on his paintings, would it be still fine to buy their cars? And what if they were a really great car company and only mentioned how cool Hitler's paintings were and nothing else?

I sort of feel like if I am cool with Proton's statement, then I also am cool with trans people and Latino people and Gazan people being treated poorly, and I'm not actually cool with that.

It's unfortunate, because despite Proton not accepting XMR and logging IPs when they promised they wouldn't and doing other questionable practices, they have a lot of great services. But now, it's like if I'm using their services, I'm sort of spitting on the grave of every trans person who ended their life out of shame, spitting on the grave of every dead Gazan who simply didn't want to die, and being disrespectful to all the cool Latinos out there who have been degraded simply out of racism.

:-(

Unlike a car which is bought once and is mostly outside of vendor control once you have it, Proton mail is a service that requires continuous trust in the company since they offer a service. This means I no longer trust Proton as much, which makes me much less inclined to use their services.

Thanks for this post. Any alternatives for Drive specifically?? Including self-hosted options

I own and operate https://port87.com/, and in no way am I even close to right wing. I don’t call myself a liberal, and get offended when people do, because I’m a leftist.

It’s not ready for business email yet, but it’ll work for your personal email.

Truly unhinged that they decided to come out on this. Fellas, you are fucking Swiss why throw yourself under the bus for the US election

This is amazing. People were perfectly okay with ignoring all the red flags in Proton and their products and really okay with buying all their bullshit, then a tweet saying Trump comes up and that's it. lol

What were the red flags?
- Huge Red Flag:
  
  /jk lol
- From what I recall, the red flags included stuff like giving the IP away of activists, having access to private keys while claiming e2e, and taking more info than they claim. I am busy atm, but i can find some links to sources when I get a chance.
🤷 sometimes people grumble quietly until a final straw is added to the stack. Not surprising.
What red flags?

I will continue to use Proton and their services, not because I support or endorse any political decisions from the CEO/board members (and I don't), but because they provide open source, secure, and private software that I love.

This is no different than arguing about using GrapheneOS based on the behavior of the maintainers.

Oh no... I use Graphene... what's the deal with the maintainers?
- This video seemed to have been the start of an anti-GrapheneOS movement. I won't get into details, because it's been explained to death, but it's here for your convenience.
  
  I use and love GrapheneOS as well.

Sooo, can we not create and/or finance our own? Please be gentle…but…is there not enough of us paying for proton and other privacy apps to fund a floss or non-profit version? I mean there are tech nerds all over this place, along with law nerds and political nerds…etc..(meant with love btw) that would have an instant user base.

I pledge here to sub up to $15usd/month for any lemmy person that starts an entity that provides us with what we need with ethics and morality of lemmy common.

You need a domain with enough reputation to not just get immediately flagged as spam, or sites outright refuse letting you use the email because they detect the domain as "invalid".
- If your mail server is configured correctly this generally isn't that big of an issue. You need a DKIM service on your mail server, and with that add some dns records (SPF records and DMARC) to the domain As long as those are in place and configured properly, you should be able to avoid most spam filters considering your domain invalid.

Damn it my two year subscription just got refreshed...

OK I think I will move to Posteo. Great security, privacy focussed, servers in Germany, running with 100% renewable energy. Prices are ok, too. Ticks all boxes.

Check Mailbox.org
It's super simple and great for pricing its like 1 dollar a month worth it to tick all the positive boxes it does.

Misinformation. OP is advocating that you shoot yourself in the foot.

The CEO said something silly on Twitter which revealed either that (a) he shares an exceedingly banal opinion with literally half of America or (b) he's not above a bit of preemptive sycophancy to advance his (positive) anti-trust agenda.

There's nothing particularly scandalous in the offending tweet:

Implying that the Democrats are now "the party of big business" is arguably true (and very boring)
Implying that the Republicans now "stand for the little guys" is dumb but also arguably true, unfortunately - the working classes swung to Trump in the recent election while the Democrats are fast becoming a party of high-earning elites (which is why they lost)
Saying that the antitrust actions began under Trump I is, well, true

Proton is not owned Zuck-like by its CEO. It's controlled by a foundation with other stakeholders on the board, including the inventor of the Web himself. In its niche it is still by far the best option. Ditching it for a nebulous non-existent alternative because the CEO expressed a dumb and extremely commonplace opinion is just silly and self-defeating.

PS: to be clear, OP is peddling misinformation because it's not true that "Proton took the stance" of anything. It's the personal opinion of the CEO that's at issue. It's a major distinction. I find it disappointing that people interested in privacy would have such little respect for a private individual's right to have their own thoughts.

PPS: to be extra clear, my comments are about the post above, not stuff that people are reading elsewhere. But the substance stands. See discussion for detail.

Implying that the Republicans now "stand for the little guys" is dumb but also arguably true

No, no it isn't arguably true. It's just flat out incorrect. 100% of people could vote for him or others like him out of fear of disappearing in the night if they don't. That doesn't make him or the party "for the little guy".

It doesn't matter that 51% of the country votes for the Republicans. The party has consistently shit all over "the little guy" and made him eat it for over 40 years, telling him he's eating shit and then said only the party can fix it.

All the while the party's been giving tax money to their friends and saying "don't worry, we're here now. you can feed him as much shit as you want. we'll find someone cleaning up shit and make the "little guy" think that person was making it instead. that way when you get caught doing it no one will believe it"
As a non-American I don't normally care about US politics or what "literally half of America" think but I am concerned with far-right politics spilling over in to my country. So I would naturally want to resist organisations aligning themselves with those politics, whether they are scandalous to Americans or not.
I largely agree with what you’re saying, except the official Proton Mastadon account doubled down on that personal opinion. That seems pretty clear that it’s endorsed not just by that one individual on the board.
- Link to Mastodon thread: https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833073219145503
- Significant if true. But still. Proton has a great product and a lot of stored-up goodwill. I think the reasonable thing to do here is to wait and see, and to judge them on actions before words.
I love how you’re claiming misinformation while posting misinformation. It’s not the CEO, it’s a board member. That said, the company also officially posted these ideas on their Bluesky account.

This isn’t a “CEO” expressing a belief, it’s the board, and now the official company line.

I’m not disagreeing with their post particularly on corporate dems, but this is a company and not a persons sole belief.

Also, if dems are the party of big business then why are all these big businesses donating to Trump? Does that just mean republicans are the party of even bigger business?
- Their bullet points are spin-doctoring.
  
  Also the comment got a few dozen upvotes almost immediately. Suspicious.
- This is all over the place.
  
  My comment concerns the post above. OP cites a tweet and states a falsehood about it. No, "Proton" did not "take the stance" of anything in that tweet. Yes, Andy Yen is the CEO. Yes, that tweet is in his name and not in the name of Proton. I was not responding to other things that you've seen elsewhere.
  
  Now, as for those other things elsewhere, I stick by the substance of my point. Sure, it's more of a problem that dumb things are being said in the name of Proton rather than just it's CEO. But look at the detail of those things. There is nothing scandalous. People are getting their underwear in a twist about extremely common opinions being expressed on Twitter. Personally I don't care if a CEO voted a different way to me, or even if a whole board did. This should not have any bearing on Proton's product or what makes it better than others. This is just another typically American culture-war drama. It's boring.
It isn't misinformation.

Someone like this board member being a traitor to his species isn't covered by "opinion". No normalizing nazis. It's such a low bar. He couldn't clear it.

He blasted his treachery over the public airwaves. His privacy isn't being violated.

This whole comment feels like an exercise in using all the best words to miss the point. We know, as does this probably-lying board member, that Republicans are only going to go more authoritarian, and the only reason they would pretend to care about big tech abuses is to grab the steering wheel from them to commit far worse abuses. No company that gets into bed with traitors is going to become the new center of my digital life.

Tuta for email, syncthing for photos bc I'm not self-hosting, mullvad for VPN.
- Traitor to his species
  
  ??? Lol? Imagine having an opinion in 2025
- Sorry but I won't participate in this juvenile trivializing of the word "Nazi". Yes, I know that's become almost a meaningless slur at this point, but personally I just will not take seriously anybody who throws it around like this. Perhaps because I'm European. Perhaps because I studied history. It's not serious.
Implying that the Democrats are now "the party of big business" is arguably true (and very boring)

While true in some scenarios, in anti-trust Lina khan's ftc has done significantly more than trump ever did. Biden keeping her over the protest of countless business execs and daily articles in the wall street journal on how she's ruining America shows some commitment to prosecuting big tech.

Meanwhile, trump's anti-trust moves were mostly based off petty issues he had with the ceos or the platforms having a "liberal bias". Now that every big tech ceo has fallen in line and given him $1 million for his inauguration I doubt we'll see much movement on that front.
- From what I remember pre-election news was saying wealthy dems/dem donors wanted Biden (and Kamala in some report I saw) gone primarily because they didn’t like what Lina Khan was doing. There were also questions about whether Kamala would continue to support Lina Khan after receiving donations from wealthy donors. JD Vance praised her work and it sounds like the Trump nomination is going to continue similarly.
  
  I don’t like Trump at all and I know how petty and sycophantic he can be, but this may end up being one case where I end up preferring the result on this one specific issue over what we may have had if the dems had won without Kamala or if she flipped and agreed to drop Khan. I won’t really know how I feel about this selection until I see the result.
  
  (Quick search turned these examples up that I’ve only skimmed, but I need to log off: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/24/kamala-harris-lina-khan-00185345 https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/kamala-harris-rich-donors-lina-khan/)
- Completely agree on all that.
Not American, but there is this regarding the third point: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i1zjgn/comment/m7b1wib/

Any thoughts here?

To me this whole demonizing proton ceo thing seems a bit overblown. Sucking up is actually pathetic and funny
- If you've got an argument, make it.
Nothing that OP said is false, so we can’t characterize this post as “misinformation.” The CEO of Proton is, as a matter of empirical fact, dangerously delusional. The Republican Party is not interested in antitrust issues let alone protecting “the little guy.” They’re interested in corporate subservience, the paradigm of all fascist regimes. I’m not sure why you would feel comfortable with a service whose CEO is this childishly naive.
- He said that "Proton took a stance". Until confirmation to the contrary, that is patently false.
Nailed it, Americans get so offended and divided on these issues that they just throw reason and logic out the window
- You are extremely ignorant. We have people marching through the streets with police protection chanting ‘Jews will not replace us".
I find it disappointing that people interested in privacy would have such little respect for a private individual’s right to have their own thoughts.

Ding ding ding.

It seems the vast majority of people do NOT want to allow speech they don't like, no matter the consequences. That requires too much forward thinking. Excuse me while I watch history repeat itself...
- Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. Nobody here is silencing speech, we are just exercising our right to free association by not doing business with Nazi sympathizers.
- I don't wanna give money to people who would hate me for who I am
  
  Then you don't really like free speech!
  
  Ok bud. I'm not gonna weigh in with my actual opinion on the matter being discussed, I just wanted to point out that you've taken a few too many steps with that assumption lol
- Oh I want him to be allowed to speak his mind. I just don't want to give a Trumpet any money, and especially not after their annoucement of a crypto wallet and ventures into AI crap.
  
  Free speech doesn't mean I should spend my money there.
- Yes I tend to share your analysis.
I tend to agree. Don't blow this out of proportion. If you dig deep enough, you will not like the CEO of ANY company... so don't let some comments from the CEO of Proton get you worked up.

Tweet is from early december. Why is it blowing up now?

I guess on the one hand people are anxious about Trumps inaugeration and on the other hand this is a great opportunity for competitors or otherwise opposed people to launch an astroturfing campaign off of it.

When looking at posts titled has gone "full MAGA" for saying they feel Trump is more likely to enact antitrust rules against big tech than Democrats who let them down the past years, is just absurd.

It is the same line of reasoning like claiming the WHO to have been a chinese asset because they supported some of Chinas anti-Covid measures.

Sigh.

Goddammit. I'm so fucking tired.

This is how they win.
- Like zombies, slow and steady, dumb and hungry
Be tired with Tuta!

using services based on the ceo's political leaning instead of actual features and policies of that service? that's dumb, tell me when that political leaning reflects in polices of proton then we can talk

Recent post from the Proton Reddit account: https://archive.ph/quYyb

Seems it's not just the CEO's personal opinion.
The service themselves also made a Mastodon thread (which has since been deleted) supporting the Republican party
I guess the assumption is that over time they inevitably will have an effect and people want to switch before that happens.
- You're both right. I'd do the same to jump ship before the enshitification sets in. Often, I've seen how innocuous policy and feature changes creep in and before you know it, the switching costs are too high.
  
  I had an app on my phone and one day they removed the export function. I only used it for backing up my data but when they raised rates and started slamming with ads, I wanted to leave but could not take my data with me. I ended to just uninstalling and starring over elsewhere.
  
  Also, this is exactly what happened to reddit. They cut the api first so it was harder to take your communities and saved stuff with you.
- why exactly is it inevitable? and why should we switch before it happens?

Wow!

Of all companies, this is one I didn't expect.

Damn.

Why would this be unexpected?

Proton already handed over the IP of a climate protester to authorities several years ago, while boasting that they had a no log policy.

https://therecord.media/protonmail-forced-to-collect-an-activists-ip-address-in-police-investigation

Every time, in the past few years, that I bring this up, everyone just acts like I'm setting an impossible standard and no alternative exists.

Proton has been shady for years.
- From reading that article it looks like they were only using and able to log the IP address when the person logged in to their protonmail account specifically - not VPN.
  
  They even state that VPNs can not be forced to log under the same legal order and are treated differently so in this case it seems the activists were not using the VPN while accessing their emails.
  
  Although I dont agree with even the logging of the email IP, it appears like the user shot themselves in the foot like that other case where someone used their real name in the username and that obviosly has to be logged in some way.
- I didn't know about this. I haven't followed Proton closely for a while, but this...wow. Kinda lousy.
- I wish I had heard of this earlier, that combined with these new political statements is enough for me to find something else.
the good news is this is a lesson to never trust any entity whose role in the world is to accumulate capital
- What's insane is that didn't Proton just recently announce they were converting to a non-profit?
  
  Yes, they did: https://proton.me/blog/proton-non-profit-foundation

Phew! For a moment I thought you were talking about the steam compatibility thingy.

If that proton goes nazi, I am going straight to the farm
- When I was a kid, my parents took our family dog to the farm. If you see him, let him know he's a good boy!
I thought they were talking about the elementary particle—I was afraid we’d have to find some other way of manifesting our physical existence.
- Aww man! AGAIN?!?

As a Brit, I'm not offended by the Proton CEO's post. I don't like Donald Trump BUT I do like that he has hired someone who should be tough on tech anti-trust moves. This is very important.

Americans can be obsessed with their electoral system, but the rest of us don't have to pretend to support the Democrats or Republicans. I don't necessarily agree with all of Andy Yen's take regarding the two parties, but I'm not offended enough by it to boycott Proton, certainly not based on one tweet. I can also see the pragmatic benefit to his position by massaging trumps well known fragile ego.

It isn't about politics so much as endorsing a party that is openly hostile towards Proton customers. LGBT, immigrants, journalists, progressives, etc for example who paid for Proton explicitly for privacy protection against any upcoming persecution by the group he is praising.

With this endorsement there is the concern not only will they not protect these customers but will loudly align themselves against them and cause harm. It questions their ethics and business decisions as well to make such a major public relations mistake. Will they create a secret backdoor or anything else with their endorsement?
Hint: everything trump says is a lie. His new crony is NOT going to be "tough on big tech" as the toddler traitor says.

What he actually means is they're going to use the government to destroy our privacy and freedom of speech, whilst simultaneously stealing every red cent they can from our pockets.

You gotta read between the lies with that dipshit.
Was there any urge (as if you can be urged at all to bootlick a rightwing asshole) to make these statements? No. Yet he did it.

Mullvad is supposed to be a safe and secure VPN.

Unfortunately not a mail or storage provider.
- If this wasn't enough of a wakeupcall to not put all the eggs in one basket then what is? Companies are literally doing this to lock you into their service so it's harder to switch since you then have to find X new services instead of just one.
  
  Better go with one that'd specialized for each service you need...
- Posteo, Mailbox.org, and Tuta are all good alternatives.

Before you decide to go back to Google or close your account, keep in mind that Proton became a non profit organization with the main mission of protecting your privacy. And as a non profit, they're not trying to profit off of you in any way.

Going back to Google is the worst solution you can use. Remember that Google donated $1 million to Trump's inauguration fund. Google also doesn't care about your privacy. On the contrary, they're selling your data and using it against you.

While the Proton CEO may be a nut case, he's only praising the choice that Trump made as the candidate for the antitrust department. While that's understandably stupid since I don't believe Trump is going up stick up for the little guy now that he's got Musk and Zuck in his pocket, at least he didn't actively donated and enabled Trump either personally or through his platform and spread misinformation.

Think about it.

At least with proton, the fact that you're different, that you're 2SLGBTQ+, is safe. Or at least substantially safer than Google.

They have doubled down officially with their official Mastodon account https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833073219145503 I therefore consider this official opinion of Proton. Focussing on one aspect and completely ignoring the bigger picture of a luming fascist period in the most militarized economy of the world is just inacceptable. Proton just could have kept their mouth shut, but they decided not to.
- This is extremely disappointing. :(
Why are there so many responses like this, saying not to go back to Google? The OP didn't even mention Google as an option they were considering. I've seen zero discussion in any of the other posts around the fediverse where people have expressed any desire to use Google because of this. Why would anyone think that users who had already moved to Proton would find Google acceptable as an alternative right now?

This just feels like you're trying to discourage actual conversation about alternatives by acting like the only options are Proton or Google, so we all ought to shut up and sit down.

Also, if you think merely becoming a non-profit means a corporation can never exploit people and isn't interested in making money off of it's customers, then I've got a bridge to sell you.
- Because I looked at the discussion threads for this post and I saw a few early comments where people mentioned they would go back or stick with Google.
  
  I'm not trying to shut down or discourage any discussion. Just pointing out to the people who said they'd go back that it's not the best solution.
Yes, proton is about ten thousand times better than google, even with this board member's stupid fully factored in.
Safer.

Well, they handed out activists' metadata in the past, for the French authorities. In their position of an e2ee provider who controls both ends as a default, they are in a position where the can fuck people over. This is exactly what Snowden described as someone pointing a gun at you while saying "Relax, I am not gonna use it against you."

So much for safety.

Ah, and my original point was: it is either safe or unsafe, the word saf_er_ means nothing during a genocide.
- IIRC, this was because the user in question had set a recovery email for their account, which Proton either volunteered or was forced to give to the authorities. Definitely crappy behavior on Proton's part. Don't set a recovery email!
- Contents of email are safe.
  
  But assume IPs are compromised.

Protonmail has been my main email provider for the past 7 years, and unless its CEO decides to sell it to Trump or Musk I honestly don't see how his stupid private or not so private opinions are worth the hassle of changing my email for the million things I use my main and all the other emails I registered with Protonmail.
Most rich people have very dubious or outright awful political opinions and unless you're rich enough to have someone build you an alternative or deconnected enough from society/only exist in programmer circles and are able to live entirely on FOSS software I don't see why the average user should care about the CEO's political stance. Maybe that's my ignorant opinion as a European, but would you stop using Linux if you found out Linus Torvalds secretly loves Windows? Probably not.

Your analogy/ example is fucked up and beyond stupid. Protonmail is hosted by the organization. Linus has no access to the Linux systems in the world. Also, thousands have contributed to the Linux ecosystem.
- I agree that my analogy is fucked up and a little stupid, but I was just applying OPs logic: Andy Yen doesn't do any more for Proton than Linus Torvalds does for Linux; they're just stand in figures that people project their love or in this case hate onto. I doubt he personally wrote a single line of code for Proton. In that case Linus Torvalds is actually way more involved with Linux than Andy Yen is with Proton; Andy Yen might have more power over Proton but afaik and like you said Proton is owned in majority by its foundation, which I hope does get a say in what they do.
Service =/= Software

Proton could (theoretically) hold your data hostage. Linus Torvalds could not just update linux to inject a maga banner in your desktop, or turn your os into ransomware. Even if your distro maintainer wanted to do that, you still have the final say on whether or not to update (and if you keep up with the news, you can just avoid the update and wait for someone to fork it).

In all seriousness, I genuinely feel like the demographics of those making over 250K/year outside of Silicon Valley (proton is from Switzerland which is a center-right country), and outside of the arts industries, is probably bare minimum of lib-center, and probably most likely to be at least fiscally conservative, if not socially as well. Those kind of people are more concerned with maintaining their financial position than the issues plaguing the income classes that the individual has graduated out of.

I don’t think you’re going to find many CEOs that aren’t at least a little right of center or self serving in their business interests.

Getting to the top 1% income bracket is a lot easier than maintaining that financial position.

I don’t use proton, but I would be grateful if you could share a link on how Proton sided with fascists.

Also, I use Mullvad for VPN and I host my own email

They didn't exactly "side with fascists", but Andy Yen, one of the board members on the Non-Profit that owns Proton AG, has very bad takes on politics, and just has a right-wing "Libertarian" vibe.

https://x.com/andyyen/status/1864436449942110660 (https://archive.is/l1WYU)

https://x.com/andyyen/status/1812442643726537182 (https://archive.is/ADc8C)
- Huh, I wasn’t very concerned with your links… but I googled and found out Andy Yen is the founder. That’s alarming
- Libertarian and Republicans have nothing in common do not mix

Tuta.com is similar to Proton Mail + Calendar.

Location: Germany
Governance: Private GmbH (German corporation, similar to an American LLC)
Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency: Better than Proton IMHO. All their apps are open source and available on F-Droid. They encrypt email headers (unlike Proton, who are weaselly about this in their marketing materials).
User Experience: Ehhhh...6? I'm not in the best position to compare because I do not have a premium plan, so I am not able to examine features like inbox rules/filters. Much like Proton, it doesn't support full-text email search unless you have it cache your entire mailbox locally (either via the web site or app). They do not support POP or IMAP, but do offer their own desktop and mobile apps.
Pricing: €3/month for 20GB, €8/month for 500GB. https://tuta.com/pricing

Yep, I've been using Tuta for email for years now, just the free version.
Thank you!

My personal recommendations:

https://uberspace.de

Server location (jurisdiction): Germany
Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency: About-Page
User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8): 6
Pricing: Based on solidarity, but recommend minimum is 5 € per month

https://www.hostsharing.net

Server location (jurisdiction): Germany
Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency: well, you own part of hostsharing if you use it (collective-ownership)
User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8): 6
Pricing: 64 € onetime payment + 10 € per month (cooperative)

Other recommendations:

mailbox.org, systemli.org, riseup.net, posteo.de (as far as I know all of them are located in Germany)

Excuse my ignorance, but why is Germany a good place for privacy vs proton's Sweden?

And also eg, versus a non EU nation ?
- https://digitalcourage.de/blog/2021/history-german-privacy-movement
Thanks!

Uggghhh I just upped for two years. Fucking asshats are all caving to the orange fuckhead. Probably off to Europe somewhere.

Ask them for a cancellation and refund. Don't explain the reason, just say you changed your mind, make up some excuse if they ask.
- Why wouldn't you tell them the reason?
I believe they offer refunds if you cancel within 30 days.

AFAICT, it looks like all he's doing is praising Trump's pick for AG in the Antitrust division . . . although if you look over her Wikipedia page, you're right, it doesn't look all that encouraging.

Can someone on Mastodon ask the Proton CEO what it was exactly that she did that he likes so much? Anyone who can work at Fox for any length of time, frankly, is complete and utter shite.

EDIT: Also, just as a broken clock can be right twice a day, President 🍄 sank the Trans Pacific Partnership, which was the right thing to do, but for the wrong reason: mainly to get back at Obama for existing. So in the same way, I suppose it's possible that Slater did something good, but I'd sure like to know what it was.

God damnit I literally just got Proton going like 4 days ago.

Uhg. How much longer until it's more viable to self host...

I will prefer to pay Zoho Mail instead of supporting Proton Mail. I was just holding into them because of their support to privacy and security but the lack of support to Linux and now this. I will move on.
- ZoHo's CEO is no better https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sridhar_Vembu#Political_views

I was mulling moving everything from Google to Proton. Guess I'll keep my money for now.

You could look at infomaniak, but I didn't have the best experience trying out (or even getting started with) their services. Finding a provider that has all of Proton's apps is going to be tough (or at least it was from me while I was looking to escape from Tuta). Good luck, tho.

EDIT: Infomaniak is on F-Droid!

Escape from Tuta for what reason if you're willing to share? I see it recommended a lot.
- Oh boy, getting old here, let's see if I can remember.
  
  I think in part it was because they seemed unable to fix the Linux desktop client after months and months and months, and repeated support requests. Also, I had been a user of theirs for some time when they changed how their plans worked, and moved a feature I relied heavily upon (I think it was email templates—something you might never need!) to a much more expensive plan. Felt like I was being charged more for being a longtime user. I don't know if they have cloud storage now, but at the time they didn't, and Proton had that, along of course with mail and calendar—all of that for less than what Tuta was offering which was mail, calendar, and plenty of other features that were continuously promised but never released. So really just a bunch of little things that were important to me, but which other users might never miss.
Finding a provider that has all of Proton's apps is going to be toug

Nobody should be using any provider as one stop shop... That's how we got cooked by Google and Apple the first time folks.

Unbundle, mix and match...

Yeah it auck Proton did this but if you only got one proton service, it is eaiser to either do nothing or switch it.
- I agree! I don't use Proton's VPN or their password manager for that reason. The equivalents I had in place already were fine and I didn't feel the need to switch over everything, just some things.

Whatever you choose, remember that ease of migration is important. So for email buy your own domain name and use a service like mailbox.org that allows custom domains and full IMAP access.

As far as I can tell from posteo's own FAQ site, they do not allow custom domains. I'd really consider swithcing to them otherwise. Do you use posteo?
- I literally just asked their support about this last year and they confirmed they intentionally don't offer this option.
- Woops I think I was thinking of mailbox.org who does support domains.

Ive been using proton for a little more than a year now and I think that the service is one of the best out there. That, and their privacy guides in their blog are great as well. I think abandoning ship this early isn't really a need. I've abondonded things like Plex for jellyfin due to Plex starting to feel very commerical. As others have pointed out, the governing of the company may keep one individuals views from interfering with the products. With that said, if your beliefs swing opposite, i see how it can leave a bad taste and make it worth keeping an eye on the direction of the company.

why are so many people going apeshit with marketing and PR? yeah the guy seems to be a sycophant, licking boot to protect his business, while throwing out a couple of unfortunate truths

if or when Trump finally condenses the fascistic and white supremacist tendencies of the US overtly into the regime, would you expect Proton to lead the resistance? maybe Ben & Jerry's? or some other progressive BS posturing company?

why are we talking about what Proton stands for? it is not a person with ideologies...fuck corporate personhood

people looking for "good companies" is just sad

Why care about the ideological stance of a company that holds a significant amount of your data?

is tuta the new pick for custom domain email?

Mailbox.org is another good one.
I don't know about "the pick" but it was mine. Six months ago I looked around and decided to stay with Tuta for now. Encrypted email + calendar, on my custom domain, is all I need though. Ymmv
- I only need email but they seem decent and much cheaper for multiple custom domains. They were one of the options I looked at before I signed up for proton and looks like they’ve improved a lot since, too

i wanted to move my google stuff to Proton this year as a Backup for my self hosted stuff. Shame, seems like I need to put a little more time into managing my self hosted stuff

I was looking at Tresorit as a potential cloud option. I mean, not becausw of the Andy Yen stupid tweets debacle, its because Proton's mobile app is utter garbage, can't even download an entire folder when almost every other cloud provider can.

There are also Sync.com and Icecloud but I didn't like those. Sync.com's app looks outdated af, Icecloud makes extraordinary claims like how AES is built by the NSA and therefore is somehow "insecure" so they use a different algorithm. So Tresorit seems like the only one left that does encryption by default. (Mega's predecessor was shut down before, so I don't trust them for file longevity).

Anyone else got any other suggestions for cloud storage providers?

So long, and thanks for all the fish

Can we stop stooping to their level and quit the 'fascist' rhetoric. How can ppl like OP not recognize they revel in anyone antagonizing with the absurd 'fascist'. All the mud-slinging is exactly how all this got so messed up so quickly

Also who's going to mailbox with me?

US Politics is cartoons level antagonizing

LMAO! This is the type of person who would leave Steam if Gabe endorsed Trump.

I dont know of any alternatives but I will use Zoho Mail for now with my own domain. As they are cheap and reliable. I been using them for my business and it is great.

Tuta and Mailbox.org allow custom domains.
I just wish zoho would hide my IP when I use their SMTP. I get that's how mail headers have always worked but it blows my mind that it's still standard practice to expose the IP of your mail server or home network.

I prioritize ease of use, reliability, basic features not behind a pay wall, solid support and ease of use through Thunderbird so I don't have to visit the awful web version of said mail program. While I had mentioned that I was on Tutamail, I did a search of them and found a Reddit post about them weighing pros and cons. The cons I read of them go against a little of the things I'm after.

So reluctantly, I had to go back to GMail. I spent over 20 minutes migrating, resetting, re-routing many addresses to my newer GMail. I know that privacy is neither here or there on surface web stuff so I don't care about privacy regarding that. I'll start caring about privacy when I sign up for more personalized things and that's where Tutamail is going to come into play.

Lol dont be a child

Proton is dead (for me). Let's collect and discuss alternatives! ✊🛡

My personal recommendations:

https://uberspace.de

https://www.hostsharing.net

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